Y510p Ultrabay Graphics card

[gerald]

Hi community,

 

a new ebay sell is online :-)

 

http://www.ebay.at/itm/192420570817?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

[David 'SOAP' Washington]

 

Share a mod from other man with you guys , Ultrabay Adaptor & Sata3 box.

Finally, it can be locked in, and won't be plug out by accident anymore.

[AllanDavidson]

Hello, I have the Y510P with 2x 750M and no NGFF slot (only the Wifi slot is present), and I have 3 questions.

 

1) Does Gerald's Ultrabay adapter work with NVIDIA Cards?

2) Is it possible to use the Laptop Display with the external GPU?

3) Is it not better/easier/cheaper to have just a adapter -> cable setup instead of a whole PCB? There are a lot of eGPU adapters out there like the PE4C V3.0 and the EXP GDC that can be found anywhere and in good availability (I have one), and they use a HDMI cable as a medium to connect to the ePCIE slot running at 1x. A cable coming from the Ultrabay port and connecting to these adapters would give 8x instead of 1x.

Thanks you.



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Edit: Even though I admire Gerald's dedication and effort to provide us this eGPU possibility, I'm not a fan of having the huge GPU this close to the Laptop, where I could hit it and damage it real quick in a gaming section, that and also the fact that my GPU sits on a partial base (and the PCB would be hanging with all the GPU weight on it), is the reason of my question #3.

I would love to have a cable/adapter that alows me to use a Geforce 1080 Ti on the Ultrabay Slot, but without having it near the Notebook or hanging.

Thank you.

Edited January 27, 2018 by AllanDavidson
something to add

[Celestus]

1. No lenovo locked nvidia cards via bios, except the ones they themselves sold for ultrabay slot.

2. You need external display.You can kind of use bouth at once, but theres more trouble with that than its worth.

3. Just use "pci-e riser cable" to put the gpu somewhare more comfortable for you.

Edited January 28, 2018 by Celestus

[AllanDavidson]

1) Would BIOS mods (like THIS one) allow me to use other GPUs?
2) Could you please elaborate more on this matter, if possible? How could I use both, and what troubles I should face?
3) Although this is kind of a solution, I still need to have the PSU nearby to connect the ATX 24pin to the PCB, but I already own a EXP GDC, that why I asked if it would be possible to have a cable solution.

Thank you for your answers.

[High_Voltage]

Hi, Everyone!

 

I've just discovered this thread and the whole Y510p adapter thing and needless to say I'm quite fascinated with what you've accomplished so far.

 

While 5 years have passed since this laptop's release and it might be almost considered too old to get any useful performance from, I believe that the i7-4700MQ together with external GPU would be just enough to make this machine VR-capable, which is what I'm interested in. It is a shame, however, that NVIDIA GPUs are not supported.

 

I had some free time this weekend to disassemble and fiddle with Y510p's BIOS to make NVIDIA GPUs work and would like to ask if any of you were interested in testing some BIOS dumps on their machines, since I'm kind of too broke to afford the adapter, let alone the GPU which might not even work.

 

It looks like the BIOS code specifically checks whether a PCI Vendor ID is NVIDIA upon initialization, and if so, runs a test to check whether the Device ID is equal to that of the built-in GPU. This is a bit like whitelist, but is instead meant for people not accidentally plugging a GT755M ultrabay unit into their GT750M machines and vice versa and then complaining that SLI doesn't work, I believe. I have now removed this conditional check, which threw the "Unauthorized VGA card" exception and ran some extra code, but there are still places in the binary, which cause questions to me. If this attempt fails, there are at least two more approaches I have in mind to be tested.

 

So, if anyone is up for this, please let me know. Please, note that you will need an SPI Flash programmer to do this. Also, always back up your original flash dumps!!! They will not only be useful if(when) my modded dumps render your machine unbootable, but will also contain your Windows license code, which can be later integrated into modded dumps if they're successful.

 

Also, I'd appreciate any links or advice on modding the Lenovo bios update exes to allow flashing of the patched image (haven't looked into this yet). Other than that, does anyone have a working download link for V2.07 bios installer? Found it.

Edited January 28, 2018 by High_Voltage

[Celestus]

1.Nope, no succesfull bios mod is avaliable at this moment. But as you can see from previous post, some people may be trying to change that.

2. Ehh well, there ware scaling issues(with 4k monitor), some apps would start on gt755m instead of ultrabay gpu and only display on internal screen (and low performance)

    and other way around, some would only display on external screen.To be honest i dont remember all the issues as i just turned the int screen off, went with 4k ips and never looked back.

3. Gerald would have to answer that really. All i can add is thous other solutions like PE4C V3.0 and the EXP GDC  dont even come close performance wise. The adapter uses full pci-e 3.0 x8 speed and that would be enough to run one Titan V (if nvidia cards would work) without any bottleneck. Only other advice is modular psu and a longer motherboard cable combined with riser ? Besides im not sure a cable-adapter solution would be any better as im already having issues with sata cable poping out of ultrabay and its a pain to plug back in

(@David 'SOAP' Washington that may be helpfull for me )

 

@High_Voltage

Im sure theres plenty people willing to test , wait and they will surely pop up here overtime. For me i got vega64lc and i have no intention of changing that anytime soon, so ill pass on anymore tinkering.

[AllanDavidson]

1) So lets wait.
2) Thinking a little bit about the "normal" use of the Ultrabay port (where the GT 750M run games on the native laptop screen), I tought the Ultrabay would have some kind of video signal going back from the GPU, this is why I was under the impression that you could send signal from the eGPU back to the laptop.
3) I thought these other solutions were limited by 1x PCI-E due to the method used (NGFF and mPCIE), and if the data were provided by the Ultrabay they would work with 8x PCI-E.

 

On 1/27/2018 at 5:48 AM, David 'SOAP' Washington said:

Share a mod from other man with you guys , Ultrabay Adaptor & Sata3 box.

Finally, it can be locked in, and won't be plug out by accident anymore.

Wait... is this a Ultrabay adaptor that provides BOTH the eGPU access and a SATA 3 port? This is Amazing!

[Bos Maior]

3 hours ago, AllanDavidson said:

2) Thinking a little bit about the "normal" use of the Ultrabay port (where the GT 750M run games on the native laptop screen), I tought the Ultrabay would have some kind of video signal going back from the GPU, this is why I was under the impression that you could send signal from the eGPU back to the laptop.

 

 

I used to have lots of stability issues doing this sort of thing, but with a fully updated version of Windows 10 (and the latest AMD drivers) I can duplicate or extend screens using my external monitor and the internal monitor of the keyboard. I rarely use those features, though, as the external monitor's size and native resolution far exceed those of the internal monitor.

[fleshyweeb]

Hey Gerald could you link me to somewhere I can purchase this?

[AllanDavidson]

49 minutes ago, fleshyweeb said:

Hey Gerald could you link me to somewhere I can purchase this?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192420570817

[fleshyweeb]

I have bios version 1.10. Mite give it a shot to see if it works. Will get back to yall.

 

Also, I plan to buy the rx 560 4gb 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-Radeon-RX-560-DirectX-12-GV-RX560GAMING-OC-4GD-REV2-0-4GB-128-Bit-GDDR5/292284094319?epid=2149983365&hash=item440d7d576f:g:1toAAOSwZcZZ2NIf

 

Are there any concerns I should have? I don't want to spend more than $200 used or new. 

Is there anything I should avoid when looking for compatible graphics cards (besides nvidia of course)

Edited February 1, 2018 by fleshyweeb
new info

[Dx00009]

nice work..when it will be released

i hope it works with every card

[Bos Maior]

16 hours ago, fleshyweeb said:

I have bios version 1.10. Mite give it a shot to see if it works. Will get back to yall.

 

Also, I plan to buy the rx 560 4gb 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-Radeon-RX-560-DirectX-12-GV-RX560GAMING-OC-4GD-REV2-0-4GB-128-Bit-GDDR5/292284094319?epid=2149983365&hash=item440d7d576f:g:1toAAOSwZcZZ2NIf

 

Are there any concerns I should have? I don't want to spend more than $200 used or new. 

Is there anything I should avoid when looking for compatible graphics cards (besides nvidia of course)

 The 560 should be fine. Just make sure you have a PSU that can supply the necessary power.

[fleshyweeb]

I ended up getting an r9 290x (old but good enough for me). Will post any issues I encounter when the adapter arrives. (Hopefully not too many issues!) I hope to get it set up so I can unhook the adapter when I need to go mobile occasionally.

[JABKILL]

Hi guys, some time without posting. My RX580 it`s still working like a charm, on BF1 Ultra settings 1920x1080 around 30-70 fps (Depends of conquest maps, special effects like smoke & fire). What I`m really impressed is about the current Hardware pricing for the GPU, I purchased my RX580 around 230 Euros, but at this time my GPU  (This one htps://www.pccomponentes.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-gaming-4g-4gb-gddr ).  it´s sold out and are around 340Euros (That´s 48% pricier than before).

 

I guess is due the current cryptomining fashion, because these cards well worth the money for the investment.

Edited February 3, 2018 by JABKILL

[fleshyweeb]

Wow first bios update of my life with no implications at all. (YET) GPU arrived but still waiting for adapter. Why did DHL have to pass it off to USPS...  Whoever ordered from US, how long did yours take to ship? (Neither USPS or DHL provides estimate time delivery in this case)

[fleshyweeb]

@Andrew54 I'm sorry for your trouble, have you gotten anywhere? I bring your name up because I have an idea to what the problem may be (one that you may have thought of already and ruled out). Sadly there isn't a good solution but maybe your UltraBay connection port is damaged or at the very least finnicky, or some other internal connection is compromised in some way. Who knows, sorry thats all I got. Have you tried a new adapter? I bet Gerald would swap with you if you ship it back to him for a new one, though i won't speak for him . I know how painful it is to put time into a project and not get results.

 

 

On a new topic, I pretty much read through the entire forums and didn't come across what I want to share now: Somehow implementing the following video with Gerald's adapter to enable Nvidia cards. Keep in mind this is a total Hail-Mary/brainstorm idea that probably won't work (I have little hardware/bios experience).... But anyways, in this video I see an Nvidia card recently being used with the y510p and YES I KNOW IT IS NOT GERALD's ADAPTER. As I don't know much about configuring the hardware and bios at all, not to mention I DONT SPEAK RUSSIAN, this is a pretty far fetched : 

 

 

If anyone speaks Russian or bothers to read 40 minutes of subtitles, let us know if it applies at all or can be used in some way.

Cheers @Tesla and @gerald seem to be the most likely candidates to shoot me down in a firey ball of stupidity and embarrassment for trying to be creative in a world where everyone is smarter than you.

Thanks,

FleshyWeeb (The Curious Beginner according to techinferno)

Edited February 6, 2018 by fleshyweeb

[fleshyweeb]

@Tesla Sorry to bother again but with the new updated model Gerald makes, the bios version change now is unneccesarry. Would there be any way you could edit or add that to your instructions list? I downgraded my bios after updating only to realize after forum browsing that I didn't need to downgrade anymore. It's nice to have the newer bios, maybe thats just me though

[Bos Maior]

On 06/02/2018 at 6:00 AM, fleshyweeb said:

@Andrew54 I'm sorry for your trouble, have you gotten anywhere? I bring your name up because I have an idea to what the problem may be (one that you may have thought of already and ruled out). Sadly there isn't a good solution but maybe your UltraBay connection port is damaged or at the very least finnicky, or some other internal connection is compromised in some way. Who knows, sorry thats all I got. Have you tried a new adapter? I bet Gerald would swap with you if you ship it back to him for a new one, though i won't speak for him . I know how painful it is to put time into a project and not get results.

 

 

On a new topic, I pretty much read through the entire forums and didn't come across what I want to share now: Somehow implementing the following video with Gerald's adapter to enable Nvidia cards. Keep in mind this is a total Hail-Mary/brainstorm idea that probably won't work (I have little hardware/bios experience).... But anyways, in this video I see an Nvidia card recently being used with the y510p and YES I KNOW IT IS NOT GERALD's ADAPTER. As I don't know much about configuring the hardware and bios at all, not to mention I DONT SPEAK RUSSIAN, this is a pretty far fetched : 

 

 

If anyone speaks Russian or bothers to read 40 minutes of subtitles, let us know if it applies at all or can be used in some way.

Cheers @Tesla and @gerald seem to be the most likely candidates to shoot me down in a firey ball of stupidity and embarrassment for trying to be creative in a world where everyone is smarter than you.

Thanks,

FleshyWeeb (The Curious Beginner according to techinferno)

 

He uses an mpcie solution. You get less bandwidth that way, but if you want to use such a setup rather than one with Geralt's graphics adapter you will have to remove your Wifi card in order to free up the mpcie slot.

[balint234]

On 2018. 01. 27. at 2:48 PM, David 'SOAP' Washington said:

 

Share a mod from other man with you guys , Ultrabay Adaptor & Sata3 box.

Finally, it can be locked in, and won't be plug out by accident anymore.

This thing does not have nvidia support either am i right?

[Bos Maior]

58 minutes ago, balint234 said:

This thing does not have nvidia support either am i right?

Probably not, unless the maker's made a new discovery s/he hasn't shared with the rest of the community yet. The problem is that the computer checks whether an NVIDIA card plugged into the Ultrabay is of the same type as the one soldered onto the motherboard as SLI otherwise won't work. If the NVIDIA card is of another type the computer will refuse to function.

 

This problem doesn't exist with AMD cards, provided you use the most recent version of Gerald's adapter or use the older version of the adapter along with an appropriate version of the BIOS.

[balint234]

44 minutes ago, Bos Maior said:

Probably not, unless the maker's made a new discovery s/he hasn't shared with the rest of the community yet. The problem is that the computer checks whether an NVIDIA card plugged into the Ultrabay is of the same type as the one soldered onto the motherboard as SLI otherwise won't work. If the NVIDIA card is of another type the computer will refuse to function.

 

This problem doesn't exist with AMD cards, provided you use the most recent version of Gerald's adapter or use the older version of the adapter along with an appropriate version of the BIOS.

The problem is that currenctly the price of GPUs, especiall AMD ones are unbeliveable. I'd gladly invest into an RX 570 or 580 but at the moment their prices in hungary starts at about 650 dollars. Meanwhile I can get a 6GB 1060 for about 500 dollars. :/

[Bos Maior]

34 minutes ago, balint234 said:

The problem is that currenctly the price of GPUs, especiall AMD ones are unbeliveable. I'd gladly invest into an RX 570 or 580 but at the moment their prices in hungary starts at about 650 dollars. Meanwhile I can get a 6GB 1060 for about 500 dollars. :/

Get one off E-Bay? There are sellers elsewhere in the EU who offer an 570 for less than that.

[balint234]

32 minutes ago, Bos Maior said:

Get one off E-Bay? There are sellers elsewhere in the EU who offer an 570 for less than that.

Yes but it isnt cheaper that much in the EU. Also if i order 1 from ebay it might gets tolled at the border.

 

On the other hand, spending this much on a card that started at 250 dollars is kind of a heartbreak