eGPU experiences [version 2.0]

[dAFKa]

please help?

[l3lacker]

Hi. Ive been reading this thread aswell as the enormous one over on the other forum where this started. I have absolutely fried my brain to the point where i have went from been pretty confident i had a grasp on it all to now not knowing a thing. Firstly, i think im just tired as ive spent all day reading through everything and its all the 2.1 1.2 x1 x2.0 pe4h 1.x 2.x 2.1's that have completely messed my brain around so i have resorted to asking for clarification on whats what.

1) Is a 1.x set up using 1 pcie port for the egpu and 2.x is using 2 ports or is 1.x a pcie 1.0 laptop and 2.x a pcie 2.0 system?

2) Assuming the former is true in 1) is a 1.1 set up 1 pcie slot one a 1.0 pci system and a 1.2 is 1 pcie slot on a 2.0 system or..

3) Assuming the latter is true is a 1.1 setup a pcie 1.0 system using 1 port, a 1.2 setup a pcie 1.0 system using 2 ports and the same going for 2.x?

4) i also see x1 and x2 being spoken about for intance here DIY eGPU experiences - Page 46 Is that just another way of saying 1.x and 2.x or is x1 and x2 something different? im assuming x2 1.0 is the same as saying 1.2?

Im not a complete idiot ive just managed to go round in circles of thinking i understand then changing my mind after reading what seems like contradictory posts from people using terminology.

What i have managed so far is to open up a large memory doing a DSDT override on my Sony Vaio because of its 3.5gb TOLUD which took the best part of yesterday to correct the 166 errors when i tried to compile it but thats it done now.

The reason for my questions are that i want to know if its even possible for me to get a decent set up of egpu on the system i have. I originally thought i would be able to use 2 ports since i have 1, 2, 3 and 6 however i only have one free. To start with i didnt think this wold be a problem as my first few reads of the OP on here and the other forum lead me to believe that you can switch the location of the already in use ports but like i mentioned above, reading other posts where people were told that they were not able to do this in a similar situation to me then im not so sure. The info i got from Sandra was as follows:

SiSoftware Sandra

Computer Buses

Interface Version : 2.30

PCI Bus(es) : 7

PCIe Bus(es) : 5

System Bus 0

Type : PCI

Multiplier : 1x

System Bus 1

Type : PCIe 2.00 x16 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel Core (Arrandale) Mobile PCI Express x16 Root Port

Device Connected : Sony Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series]

System Bus 2

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 1

Device Connected : Foxconn T77H126.00 802.11bgn Wireless Half-size Mini PCIe Card

System Bus 3

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 2

Device Connected : Sony PCIe SD/MMC Host Controller

System Bus 4

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 3

Device Connected : Sony 88E8059 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller

System Bus 5

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 6

System Bus 13

Type : PCI66

Bridge : Intel 82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge

System Bus 63

Type : PCI

Multiplier : 1x

Device Connected : Sony Core Mobile (Arrandale) Uncore

AND

SiSoftware Sandra

Computer

Manufacturer : Sony

Model : VPCEB2Z0E

Family : VAIO

Version : C605FGQ6

Serial Number : 27528161********

ID : B6258740-11DDD74B******************

Chassis

Manufacturer : Sony

Type : Notebook

Can be locked : No

Boot-up State : Safe

Power State : Safe

Thermal State : Safe

Security State : External Interface Locked-out

Mainboard

Manufacturer : Sony

Multi-Processor (MP) Support : No

Multi-Processing (MPS) Version : 1.40

Model : VAIO

Serial Number : C605****

BIOS : 63-0100-000001-00101111-092309-Chipset

Mainboard Properties

Removable : No

Replaceable : No

Hot Swap : No

Chipset

Model : Sony Core (Arrandale) Mobile DRAM Controller

OEM Device Name : Intel Core (Arrandale) Mobile DRAM Controller

Revision : A3

Bus : Intel CSI (Quick Path)

Version : 1.00

Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 2.4GHz (4.79GHz)

Maximum FSB Speed : 2x 2.4GHz (4.79GHz)

Width : 20-bit / 20-bit

HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

I/O Queue Depth : 5 request(s)

Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 18.7GB/s

Maximum Power : 9.000W

Chipset 1 Hub Interface

Type : DMI (Direct Media Interface)

Version : 1.00

No. Ports : 4

In/Out Width : 4-bit / 4-bit

Duplex : Yes

Multiplier : 3x

Speed : 100MHz

Logical/Chipset Memory Banks

Bank 0 : 1GB DDR3 SO-DIMM 7-7-7-20 4-27-7-6 1T

Bank 1 : 1GB DDR3 SO-DIMM 7-7-7-20 4-27-7-6 1T

Bank 4 : 1GB DDR3 SO-DIMM 7-7-7-20 4-27-7-6 1T

Bank 5 : 1GB DDR3 SO-DIMM 7-7-7-20 4-27-7-6 1T

Maximum Memory : 16GB

Supported Memory Types : DDR3 SO-DIMM

Channels : 2

Memory Bus Speed : 2x 532MHz (1GHz)

Maximum Memory Speed : 2x 667MHz (1.33GHz)

Multiplier : 4x

Width : 64-bit

Integrated in Processor : Yes

FMAX - Fast Memory Access Support : Yes

Power Save Mode : No

Fixed Hole Present : No

Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 16.63GB/s

APIC 1

Version : 2.00

Multiplier : 1/2x

Maximum Interrupts : 24

IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes

Enhanced Support : Yes

Memory Module

Manufacturer : Kingston

Model : SNY1333D3S9DR82G

Serial Number : 9114****

Type : 2GB DDR3 SO-DIMM

Technology : 8x(1024Mx8)

Speed : PC3-10700S DDR3-1334

Standard Timings : 9-9-9-25 4-34-10-5

Version : 1.00

Date of Manufacture : 10 June 2016

Memory DC Line : 1.500V

Timing @ 686MHz : 9-9-9-25 4-34-10-5

Timing @ 610MHz : 8-8-8-22 4-30-9-5

Timing @ 533MHz : 7-7-7-19 3-26-8-4

Timing @ 457MHz : 6-6-6-16 3-22-7-3

Memory Module

Manufacturer : Kingston

Model : SNY1333D3S9DR82G

Serial Number : 9214****

Type : 2GB DDR3 SO-DIMM

Technology : 8x(1024Mx8)

Speed : PC3-10700S DDR3-1334

Standard Timings : 9-9-9-25 4-34-10-5

Version : 1.00

Date of Manufacture : 10 June 2016

Memory DC Line : 1.500V

Timing @ 686MHz : 9-9-9-25 4-34-10-5

Timing @ 610MHz : 8-8-8-22 4-30-9-5

Timing @ 533MHz : 7-7-7-19 3-26-8-4

Timing @ 457MHz : 6-6-6-16 3-22-7-3

Sensor

Model : Sony Corp. BAT

Mainboard Specific Support : No

Sensor

Model : Intel Core CPU [P1, C2, T4]

Version : 37.02

Mainboard Specific Support : No

Sensor

Model : Intel WSM IMC

Version : 0.02

Mainboard Specific Support : No

Sensor

Model : Intel ICH55 HWM

Version : 0.05

Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)

Board Temperature : 60.00°C

CPU Temperature : 49.47°C

ICH/PCH/Aux 2 Temperature : 60.00°C

Capacity Sensor(s)

UPS/Battery Capacity : 34.27Wh

System Bus(es) on Hub 1

Version : 2.30

System Bus 0 : PCI

System Bus 1 : PCIe 2.00 x16 2.5Gbps

System Bus 2 : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

System Bus 3 : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

System Bus 4 : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

System Bus 5 : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

System Bus 13 : PCI66

System Bus 63 : PCI

LPC Hub Controller 1

Model : Sony HM55 LPC Interface Controller

OEM Device Name : Intel HM55 LPC Interface Controller

Revision : A6

ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes

Advanced TCO Mode Support : Yes

Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No

High Precision Timer Enabled : Yes

No. Precision Timers : 8

System Timer : 14.32MHz

Delayed Transaction Enabled : Yes

Disk Controller

Model : Sony P55/PM55/3400 4 port SATA AHCI Controller

OEM Device Name : Intel P55/PM55/3400 4 port SATA AHCI Controller

Interface : SATA

Revision : A6

Specification : 1.10

Maximum SATA Mode : G2 / SATA300

Channels : 2

In Use Channels : 2, 100%

Port : G1 / SATA150

Port : G1 / SATA150

Disk Controller

Model : Sony PCIe SD/MMC Host Controller

OEM Device Name : Ricoh PCIe SD/MMC Host Controller

Interface : SDA

Revision : A1

Channels : 1

Disk Controller

Model : Sony PCIe SD/MMC Host Controller

OEM Device Name : Ricoh PCIe SD/MMC Host Controller

Interface : SDA

Revision : A1

Channels : 1

Audio Device

Model : Sony P55/PM55/3400 High Definition Audio

OEM Device Name : Intel P55/PM55/3400 High Definition Audio

Revision : A6

Type : HD (High-Definition) Audio

Version : 1.00

No. In / Out / Bi-Directional Streams : 4 / 4 / 0

No. Serial Data Streams : 1

Audio Codec

Model : Realtek Semi High Definition Audio

Revision : A5

Version : 1.00

Audio Channels : 8

Audio Device

Model : Sony Manhattan HDMI Audio [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series]

OEM Device Name : ATI (AMD) Manhattan HDMI Audio [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series]

Revision : A1

Type : HD (High-Definition) Audio

Version : 1.00

No. In / Out / Bi-Directional Streams : 0 / 1 / 0

No. Serial Data Streams : 1

Audio Codec

Model : ATI (AMD) HDMI Audio

Revision : A1

Version : 1.00

Audio Channels : 2

USB Controller 1

Model : Sony P55/PM55/3400 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller

OEM Device Name : Intel P55/PM55/3400 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller

Revision : A6

Version : 2.00

Specification : 1.00

Interface : EHCI

Channels : 2

Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)

Addressing Support : 64-bit

Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2

Model : Sony P55/PM55/3400 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller

OEM Device Name : Intel P55/PM55/3400 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller

Revision : A6

Version : 2.00

Specification : 1.00

Interface : EHCI

Channels : 2

Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)

Addressing Support : 64-bit

Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

SMBus/i2c Controller 1

Model : Intel ICH SMBus

Version : 0.05

Specification : 2.00

Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No

Slave Device Enabled : Yes

PEC Support : Yes

Speed : 100kHz

Performance Enhancing Tips

Warning 102 : Memory module voltage high for a mobile computer. Use lower voltage memory.

Warning 2513 : TPM not detected. Some security features are unavailable.

Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

I didnt just want to come on here and ask straight up what to buy and if its possible etc because i like to understand exactly whats going on when im doing things like this. If someone could perhaps answer if it is indeed possible for me to use the ports 1 and 2 i have open and if so how do i go about making a 2 port set up as i can only find reading on how to use one port but hear everyone talking about 2 port set ups just not any direction of where to go to read on how to do it or will the system just do it automatically if its available? Also, im not overly bother about not having wifi while using the egpu so if needed/possible i can disable it so long as its decently straight forward to switch it back on when i need to. If possible id like to relocate the bus that the wifi uses and completely disable the ethernet controller and SD/MMC which im assuming is the memory card readers in the front of the laptop.

Sorry for all the questions.

[Tech Inferno Fan]

System Bus 1

Type : PCIe 2.00 x16 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel Core (Arrandale) Mobile PCI Express x16 Root Port

Device Connected : Sony Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series]

System Bus 2

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 1

Device Connected : Foxconn T77H126.00 802.11bgn Wireless Half-size Mini PCIe Card

System Bus 3

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 2

Device Connected : Sony PCIe SD/MMC Host Controller

System Bus 4

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 3

Device Connected : Sony 88E8059 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller

System Bus 5

Type : PCIe 2.00 x1 2.5Gbps

Multiplier : 3x

Bridge : Intel P55/PM55/3400 PCIe Port 6

System Bus 13

Type : PCI66

Bridge : Intel 82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge

System Bus 63

Type : PCI

Multiplier : 1x

Device Connected : Sony Core Mobile (Arrandale) Uncore

Computer

Manufacturer : Sony

Model : VPCEB2Z0E

There has been liberal use of x in discussion such as 1x, x1 where sometimes it's incorrectly used. Khenglish outlines the correct meaning behind these in the post following this one.

15.5" Sony VPCEB2Z0E: eGPU would run at x1 1.0 only. It's not x1.Opt or x2 1.0 capable -> poor eGPU candidate machine

To cut to the chase, your pci-e 1.x capable Series-5 system, has a HD5470M dGPU, no iGPU. port1=wifi/mPCIe, port2=SD-card reader, port3=LAN, port6=(likely) expresscard slot. Combing ports to get a x2 link isn't possible as your don't have adjacent mPCIe/expresscard ([port1+2], [port3+4], [port5+6] or [port7+8]). The best this system can do is a raw x1 1.0 link where results will be often be choppy. Saying that, some games with low bandwidth requirements will run better than the HD5470M.

If it was my system I'd offload it and get another better eGPU candidate with an iGPU and expresscard slot such as a Lenovo E520/T520/T530, HP 4530s/8560P/8570P, Dell 3550/E6520/E6530. Notebooks are surprisingly inexpensive these days. Attaching a PE4L-EC060A 2.1B + NVidia Fermi/Keplar card would you'd get x1.2Opt performance: x1 2.0 pci-e link + Optimus pci-e compression accelerating mostly DX9 but also DX10 apps.

You could also consider getting the same pci-e 2.0 capable base components: PE4L-EC060A 2.1b + NVidia Fermi/Keplar card now and see how your games of interest would run at x1 1.0 levels on your Sony VPCEB2Z0E. Then can just replace the notebook if performance isn't satisfactory. Just ensure you avoid the PE4L 1.5b or older and PE4H 2.4 or older if you want to have that upgrade path option as they are only pci-e 1.x capable.

[Khenglish]

@l3lacker:

Here are some examples:

x2.1 means x2 link running PCI-E 1.1

x1.2 means x1 link running PCI-E 2.0

x1.2opt means x1 link running PCI-E 2.0 with optimus compression

x2.2 means x2 link running PCI-E 2.0

Now PCI-E 2.0 requires some more explanation. PCI-E 2.0 has a slightly different protocol than PCI-E 1.1. It is possible to run the PCI-E 2.0 protocol at the same bandwidth as PCI-E 1.1, even though 2.0 has a specification for twice the bandwidth. Your PM55 chipset supports the PCI-E 2.0 protocol, but only at the same data rate as PCI-E 1.1 (2.5gt/s), not the higher 5.0gt/s data rate. The x1.2 terminology here always refers to the higher 5.0gt/s data rate, which is supported on 6 and 7 series chipsets, but not 5 series.

So unfortunately you cannot run the higher data rate. It also looks like you do not have integrated graphics, so optimus compression will not run.

It may be possible to do x2 though. x2 has a significant performance hit, but it can still perform respectably, especially with a base clock overclock. From SANDRA it looks like you do not have a spare mPCI-E or expresscard slot, but some BIOSes will disable these ports if no device is detected on bootup. If you do have a slot that is being disabled use AIDA64 to figure out the port numbers of that port and your wireless card port.

[l3lacker]

@Nando and Khenglish, Thanks for the quick responses although it wasnt the news i was hoping for. Right now i wouldnt get anything significant for the Vaio as its in pretty poos shape what with the head phones jack broke, 2 of the usb port pins have been pulled out somehow, a key is missing as well as various other things including record breaking over heating at times when doing anything with the graphics. I also cant justify the funds right now on spending £300 for a new system aswell as like £180 more for the egpu just to get an average return on graphics. Also, i looked into Fermi cards before but i couldnt really find any so either its something that isnt common in the Uk, its called something else here or its not really something thats specifically advertised as its an architecture thats just associated with cards over a certain age? Could you recommend a few cards that would best suit my needs if i were to try out the egpu on the vaio with the prospect of maybe upgrading my system if its crap?

Khenglish, when you say a significant hit do you mean that in a positive or negative way? If its negative what are you basing that statement compared to x2.1 vs x1.1? Also, i do currently have an express card slot on the side of the laptop that is currently unused if thats what your referring to? I will check with Aida64 and see what it has to say. Will it tell me if there are other ports there that have been disabled by the bios and if so im guessing they can be reactivated? That actually leads me on to my next question: I have ports 1, 2, 3 and 6 showing now however i may be mistaken but i could swear before i reformatted the system yesterday that there were different port active which is part of the reason i was thinking that shuffling the current ports the devices are paired to wasn't a permanent thing and they can be swapped around, but even if i am mistaken, what happened to ports 4, 5, 7 and 8? Im asuming there is a 7 and 8 from reading the OP post for this thread which lists the pm55 as having 8 ports potentially. I guess im just having a hard time understanding why there would be a 6 without at least 4 and 5.

[Khenglish]

@Nando and Khenglish, Thanks for the quick responses although it wasnt the news i was hoping for. Right now i wouldnt get anything significant for the Vaio as its in pretty poos shape what with the head phones jack broke, 2 of the usb port pins have been pulled out somehow, a key is missing as well as various other things including record breaking over heating at times when doing anything with the graphics. I also cant justify the funds right now on spending £300 for a new system aswell as like £180 more for the egpu just to get an average return on graphics. Also, i looked into Fermi cards before but i couldnt really find any so either its something that isnt common in the Uk, its called something else here or its not really something thats specifically advertised as its an architecture thats just associated with cards over a certain age? Could you recommend a few cards that would best suit my needs if i were to try out the egpu on the vaio with the prospect of maybe upgrading my system if its crap?

Khenglish, when you say a significant hit do you mean that in a positive or negative way? If its negative what are you basing that statement compared to x2.1 vs x1.1? Also, i do currently have an express card slot on the side of the laptop that is currently unused if thats what your referring to? I will check with Aida64 and see what it has to say. Will it tell me if there are other ports there that have been disabled by the bios and if so im guessing they can be reactivated? That actually leads me on to my next question: I have ports 1, 2, 3 and 6 showing now however i may be mistaken but i could swear before i reformatted the system yesterday that there were different port active which is part of the reason i was thinking that shuffling the current ports the devices are paired to wasn't a permanent thing and they can be swapped around, but even if i am mistaken, what happened to ports 4, 5, 7 and 8? Im asuming there is a 7 and 8 from reading the OP post for this thread which lists the pm55 as having 8 ports potentially. I guess im just having a hard time understanding why there would be a 6 without at least 4 and 5.

Ports not listed and not disabled by BIOS are present on the chipset, but not wired on the motherboard, so you can't use them. AIDA64 will report ports as empty if they are unoccupied and the BIOS did not disable it. Port numbers are hardwired and cannot be changed. If your mPCI-E and expresscard slots are either ports 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, or 7/8 then you can do x2. As for x2 performance you will have between 60% and 80% of x16 performance usually. x1 does not perform well at all and usually is not worth doing.

[khseal]

Hi!

Has anyone used the E060A+PE4H v2.4 at the speed Gen2? This adapter with one hand soldered.

[Tech Inferno Fan]

Hi!

Has anyone used the E060A+PE4H v2.4 at the speed Gen2? This adapter with one hand soldered.

The PE4H + ECxxxA that BPlus briefly advertised as Gen2 compliant fails Gen2 testing. Hence why they've removed that advertising and now only have the PE4L 2.1b as Gen2 compliant. If you did try it you'd find the card may register itself as Gen2 in apps like GPU-Z however when placed under any sort of graphical load it would fail to work, or if it does, it would be very poor and stutter frequently. This often leading to the AMD/NVidia driver BSODing.

[angerthosenear]

It looks like you can power the card from just the 19V power adapter or an ATX power supply.

See:

http://www.hwtools.net/PDF/PE4H%20V3%202b%20user%20mannual.pdf

(or go PE4H V3.2 (PCIe x16 Adapter), scroll to the bottom and look at the user manual)

It appears you need to find some 8 pin male to 8 pin male cables.

Something like these:

1ST PC CORP. Model CB-8F-68F - Newegg.com

(from the pic it is male to male, I have no idea what you would get if you ordered it)

At least the title is correct for this:

40cm 8 Pin PCI Express PCIe Power Cable Male to Male 006234 | eBay

You could always cut two 8-pin male plugs and solder them together to make your own cable.

I don't have the PE4H, but I hope that helped.

[FJR308]

Thank's a whole bunch. XD

Those were my thoughts exactly and it's certainly a big psychological help to know someone else thinks it's feasible.

More so, however, many thanks for that manual; I can't believe it didn't occur to me to find out if they had one.

You certainly helped me with exactly what I wanted and even more with those links to the cables.

Very much appreciate it.

[angerthosenear]

Just making sure, is the 8-pin connector on the adapter a female plug? There is only one picture of it in the manual. If so then those cables should work.

I guessed the plug on the adapter was female since it was rather large and the little latch appears to be on the wire itself.

----

Also, what video card will you using? You would have to make sure your 19V power supply can supply adequate wattage to the video card.

[daver160]

Hi folks,

Just wanted to let people know that I am selling my PE4H v2.4 package. It includes all the parts that you would normally order through places like HWTools or HIT. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but I would just like to upgrade to the PE4L.

Please PM me if you are interested, do not post in this thread, and we'll work something out.

[Robert Garland]

Hello all,

I tried hooking up my setup today. Lenovo x220T, GTX 660, PE4L 2.1b, and some old 250W PSU.

So far all I get is the GPU fan turning on. I've tried updating bios and turning it on at different times during startup, but nothing has gotten it working so far. I remember seeing a while back that some people needed to change a bios setting, but I don't remember what it was. Also I have the eGPU software from HIT, but I'm not too sure how to use it. The only other relevant solution I saw was changing the jumper settings since it might not be getting 3.3V, but I don't see any jumpers, just SW1 and SW2 (unless these are the jumpers) which are both defaulted to the 2-3 position. I didn't want to mess with the switches without knowing its the correct thing to change.

Anyways, does anyone have an idea what the problems is? I'm kind of a noob at this so it could be a very simple mistake.

Thanks in advance.

[Aluzcz]

Hi,

I just bought PE4L 2.1 and connected it to my Lenovo T400s without any issues, everything was going smoothly, no errors nothing. But I think the performance is very bad.

First of all, when i work in the windows maximizing, minimizing and moving the windows is kind a choppy, i tried to disable the integrated intel vga, tried various settings, so far nothing helped.

here is a link for my 3D mark 11 test which give me only :[h=1]P3288[/h]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core 2 Duo Processor SP9400,LENOVO 2808D9G score: P3288 3DMarks

3d mark 06 give me only

[h=1]5039[/h]

which is i think even worse

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core 2 Duo Processor SP9400,LENOVO 2808D9G score: 5039 3DMarks

My setup is :

Windows 7 Ultimate 64

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor SP9400 2,4Ghz

8GB(2x4 of 1066 Corsair ram)

PE4L 2.1

GTX 650ti

128GB Toshiba SSD

Latest detonator

And old shitty 350W PSU which can actually give on 12+ only 160W

Can the PSU be the issue? I didnt had any BSOD, any errors, any fails and such so im not sure if my issue can be really fault of the PSU, unfortunetly currently i dont have access to any proper PSU.

All test so far finished without any issue, i was able to run SC2 on extreme with 35FPS and able to load D3

But for the money i paid for the GTX650ti and by the tests which are online i would expect more, i know my laptop is not the fastest one but is the lack of performance really caused by my laptop or can it be the PSU? Or the issue is somewhere else?

During all the tests i had connected usb mouse, usb keyboard, enabled wifi and bt

[angerthosenear]

I would guess your poor performance might be due to the fact you do not a dGPU (nvidia dGPU would be preferred) so you do not have Optimus compression. Also, you want your iGPU enabled.

The Optimus compression makes a huge difference in resulting performance.

Maybe nando can shed some light on things you can do to optimize your setup without a dGPU, but I know you can't ask for much.

[Aluzcz]

I would guess your poor performance might be due to the fact you do not a dGPU (nvidia dGPU would be preferred) so you do not have Optimus compression. Also, you want your iGPU enabled.

The Optimus compression makes a huge difference in resulting performance.

Maybe nando can shed some light on things you can do to optimize your setup without a dGPU, but I know you can't ask for much.

Wow i wasn't aware that is preferred to have a dGPU which i obviously don't have.

so what now, shout i return my VGA and get something cheaper which will do the same job as well or what are the option here?

Or can it really be the PSU which don't even have ATX 2.0 24pin connector but just the 20pin and two lines one with 9W and second with 160W?

And last but not least, the fan on the VGA is all the on on MAX, maybe this is somehow connected to my issue. I removed the jumper on the PE4L and testing it without it but i doubt i will bring any difference.

[si_the-dude]

Has anyone tried this using an Alienware M18x? I've just stumbled upon it, I have a spare PSU and 7970 in the house and am extremely curious.

[si_the-dude]

FJR308, did you decide to go for the PE4H 3.2 then? Did you actually purchase one? Mind if I ask where you picked it up from as I can only find a seller in Vietnam or something and I'm a bit unsure about it! Thanks in advance mate

[Ivxy]

[MENTION=11972]Robert Garland[/MENTION]

Look at my first Post here, I have a similar System. Can you tell us what version of bios do you have? Higher than 1.24 is ok, if I remember correctly.

When the switch on eGPU without a laptop, 2/3 LED lights on the PE4L (one green, one oragne and partly one red) and the GPU fan spins. So you can check the PSU works ok.

My procedure as for my EGPU is:

switch on the GPU and PE4L with a PSU

X220 switch on

System starts up with my GTX 660

On my settings, here's a photo of PE4L, the SW1 is on 1 and SW2 in on 2-3. In bios I have to ExpressCard configuration (or so) are set to "automatic" and not to "Gen1".

@si_the-dude

I thing you can use a eGPU, but your HD 7970M is similar my GTX 660. Maybe read the first Post, if you have not already done it?

[angerthosenear]

I'm guessing when you say 'VGA' you mean 'eGPU.'

Normally (at least in my case), when the eGPU fan is running on max, that is the sign of some error. Hearing about your PSU, I would suggest trying a different one with a 24-pin connector and with a little higher wattage just to be sure.

Mainly just getting the problem isolated down to being just a computer issue. If the adapter is working, eGPU isn't fried, PSU supplying correct power, then it would come down to just being your computer without a dGPU giving you the issue.

Lemme know how it goes with a different PSU.

[Tech Inferno Fan]

3dmark06 result indicates pci-e compression isn't engaging. Likely due to eGPU being primary bootup video device rather then the iGPU

Your 3dmark06 result indicates to me that pci-e compression isn't engaging. That would typically occur if your BIOS sees the eGPU on bootup and sets it as the primary video device rather than the iGPU. The fix is to hot plug the eGPU after BIOS boot, or use the PCI Reset Delay switch on the PE4L to delay bios seeing it. Doing so would net you a 3dmark06 in excess of 10k and a visible performance improvement in mostly DX9 and some DX10 titles.

[Hanchao Sun]

Dear all,

I have been thinking of set up an eGPU solution for my SONY F-13 laptop with 6GB(4+2) memory for quite a while. However, according to some former discussions in this thread, my scenario seems a bit more complicated than most people's. Although i have cover a lot, but im still not 100% sure whether I can access an eGPU to my F-13 laptop, or whether it worth the money or the effort that i would put in. Juventino10 seems to made it work on his F-13 via Setup 1.x, but he didnt report any running result after that. Could anyone tell me if my laptop would only have x1 link speed even after the Setup 1.x? If so, do u think with 50% effeciency, GTX 660, for example, would still make a big difference from my 425m at the moment?

Many Thanks for any advice.

[Robert Garland]

@Ivxy

My bios is 1.37.

With SW1 at 3 and the ExpressCard not plugged in, the green and orange come on and the red blinks on when turning on or off and the fan turns on, but fairly slow and quiet. I changed SW1 to 1 and the lights are the same, and the fan spins a lot faster (This scared me so I haven't left in on for that long at a time). If the ExpressCard is plugged in, the red light is on all the time (in addition the green and orange) and the fan is slow and quiet.

I have not changed any bios settings yet, but last time I looked I didn't see any ExpressCard options. I could have been looking at the wrong section though.

Also I plugged it into my friends X230T yesterday and it recognized the card, but didn't detect any monitors attached to it.

[Khenglish]

Has anyone tried this using an Alienware M18x? I've just stumbled upon it, I have a spare PSU and 7970 in the house and am extremely curious.

I think someone has so that he could run more monitors. It will be very difficult to get a performance advantage with the desktop 7970 over even the lowest m18x GPU options so that's really the only use for it on such a strong laptop.

[Aluzcz]

I borrowed another two VGAs and continue the testing

on same setup

With nvidia 9600 GT i gained around 3-4k in 3dmark 06

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT video card benchmark result - Intel Core 2 Duo Processor SP9400,LENOVO 2808D9G score: 3820 3DMarks

with ATI hd 4770 i started on 5k and with my final test with drivers from MS i gained on 7.3k with 3dmark 06

ATI Radeon HD 4770 video card benchmark result - Intel Core 2 Duo Processor SP9400,LENOVO 2808D9G score: 7366 3DMarks

Also when im booting with the both gtx 650ti or the 9600 gt there is no issue at all, but when im booting with the ATI card and egpu is turned on, boot stops and laptop starts to beep this is probably what nando is describing, that the card is recognized as a primary.

So far i tried everything, on numerous drivers, with the jumper on the card removed or in place and it looks like either the card doesent like my setup or that the PSU is shitty

anyway I'm starting to be happy with the HD which is currently running just with a passive cooler and it will cost me a buck so i will probably return the 650ti, hopefuly before i will do it i will also manage to get some proper PSU and do some final tests to put some enlightenment into this situation.

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3dmark06 result indicates pci-e compression isn't engaging. Likely due to eGPU being primary bootup video device rather then the iGPU

Your 3dmark06 result indicates to me that pci-e compression isn't engaging. That would typically occur if your BIOS sees the eGPU on bootup and sets it as the primary video device rather than the iGPU. The fix is to hot plug the eGPU after BIOS boot, or use the PCI Reset Delay switch on the PE4L to delay bios seeing it. Doing so would net you a 3dmark06 in excess of 10k and a visible performance improvement in mostly DX9 and some DX10 titles.

Sorry for a stupid question but what you mean by the delay switch? Only switch i can find on the PE4L is that one jumper which i thought is for setup of pcie. I was searching for some manual or documentation but only thing i was able to find is just the data sheet for the circuit.

And some more results if anyone will be interested:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17246099

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17246091

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17246077

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17246051

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6483509

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17246127

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17246973

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17247004