Tempest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Hi Timohour. I used the same settings as suggested by the newbie guide regarding the UFI variables and the TDP. I'm almost sure it is a 90W Dell power brick, I will make sure later. Maybe this affects only a specific part number.... The Throttlestop settings were the same and were used while doing the TS Bench 1024M test. In my setup I use a 3740QM @ 3,9Ghz 4 cores, 16GB 1600 Cas10 and as a eGPU a GTX 750 2GB. Just in case you want to update the specs in the board. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tempest said: Hi Timohour. I used the same settings as suggested by the newbie guide regarding the UFI variables and the TDP. I'm almost sure it is a 90W Dell power brick, I will make sure later. Maybe this affects only a specific part number.... The Throttlestop settings were the same and were used while doing the TS Bench 1024M test. In my setup I use a 3740QM @ 3,9Ghz 4 cores, 16GB 1600 Cas10 and as a eGPU a GTX 750 2GB. Just in case you want to update the specs in the board. Thanks. Check that your limits are in place with throttlestop (TPL) Spoiler Also check your PSU. I assume you already know that but check your bios to see which Dell PSU you have connected or check the A on your brick. Edited January 5, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, timohour said: Check that your limits are in place with throttlestop (TPL) Hide contents Also check your PSU. I assume you already know that but check your bios to see which Dell PSU you have connected or check the A on your brick. I checked and its the same Package Power Limits settings. All I did was power the laptop down and use the other power brick and see the results. And they were very different. Maybe its a faulty power brick, but the hole thing looks too similar to what Dewos reported on page 13 of this post. I will double check if its really a 90W power brick, I know for sure its from Dell. My other power brick is branded by NGS and its also 90W but I'm able to achieve much better results with it. I'm not limited to 46W and 34 multi at best... Edited January 5, 2016 by Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tempest said: I checked and its the same Package Power Limits settings. All I did was power the laptop down and use the other power brick and see the results. And they were very different. Maybe its a faulty power brick, but the hole thing looks too similar to what Dewos reported on page 13 of this post. I will double check if its really a 90W power brick, I know for sure its from Dell. My other power brick is branded by NGS and its also 90W but I'm able get much better results with it. I'm not limited to 46W and 34 multi at best... I am quite sure that it is either an 65W adapter (19.5V 3.34A) or a faulty one rather than a 90W . It sounds strange to me cause I never had such issues with my Dell 90W adapter. If possible pls post your BIOS version too. You can find it on the first page of your BIOS. Edited January 5, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The bios version is A16. So I guess I also have a faulty adapter, just as Dewos. I will try to post a picture of it. I might have never found out, if I didn't upgrade to a 3740QM. My storage: 1TB SSD & 750GB HDD odd caddy. Thanks again Timohour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tempest said: The bios version is A16. So I guess I also have a faulty adapter, just as Dewos. I will try to post a picture of it. I might have never found out, if I didn't upgrade to a 3740QM. My storage: 1TB SSD & 750GB HDD odd caddy. Thanks again Timohour. please upload the photo if possible. Is this the adapter that came along with the laptop or just a Dell you purchased online? It sounds weird to me that 2 different PSUs failed to provide enough power unless they are fake or not official. Does the bios says 90W adapter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) I can read 90w in the BIOS. It looks like its an original adapter but It came together with the E6430 that I bought from a seller on eBay so... I don't have another one to compare. Edited January 5, 2016 by Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Tempest said: I can read 90w in the BIOS. It looks like its an original adapter but I bought the E6430 from a seller on eBay so... I don't have another one to compare. That's strange cause this is indeed the original Dell adapter. I don't have my 90W around but compared to the 130W I got with my dock they are very much alike. Spoiler If you happen to get another Dell 90W adapter, could you please test with that too? Also could you install the Dell Feature Enhancement Pack as described on the Battery Life Tweaks and set your scheme to max power and test if it throttles too? Is this limited to iGPU devices only? Doubtfull cause Khenglish (E6530 dGPU) explains here that On 5/6/2015 at 0:15 AM, Khenglish said: There's a bug in the latitude BIOS that prevents proper TDP management with an xm cpu (both sandy and ivy bridge). TDP settings only function properly when the BIOS does not detect the power brick ID. I never encountered such an issue with my 3720QM, I just had problems after some minutes of full load. but could it be an issue on newer IB cpus (XMs and 3740QMs)??? What were your temperatures when throttled @ x34? Edited January 5, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khenglish Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, timohour said: I never encountered such an issue with my 3720QM, I just had problems after some minutes of full load. but could it be an issue on newer IB cpus (XMs and 3740QMs)??? What were your temperatures when throttled @ x34? Temperatures had no effect. When using an approved power brick, CPU TDP on an xm cpu would be limited to the long power limit of 55W at all times. When using an unapproved power brick, The short term power limit would then work, allowing up to 68W, and full x4 turbo multiplier. Raising the power limits using IFR only worked when using an unapproved power brick. Using an approved brick would always clamp power draw to 55W. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterflux Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Wow what a great forum! I had just picked up an e6430 3740qm, 8g, 5200m, etc... You guys have really confirmed that it is the best deal out there for me, Thank You. However when I received my e6430 in the mail it would not power on, no leds or anything. Power supply and battery are good, and there is power going to the motherboard, so must be something wrong with the motherboard, I have one on order. Only thing I could find that looks like a fuse is closed so that's either a good fuse or a bad cap. After I get this up and running I'll be looking at replacing the screen and these two look like the best options out there (same dimensions with only 0.2mm thicker) 1: http://www.panelook.com/N140O6-L02_Innolux_14.0_LCM_overview_2027.html 2: http://www.panelook.com/LP140WD1-TLA1_LG%20Display_14.0_LCM_overview_5220.html The first one looks to be better but has 9S6P WLED, does anyone know if that will cause a problem vs stock 8S6P WLED? Also if you look at the contrast ratio's the first is 650:1(typ) and the second is 500:1(min), any clue how the measurements are made when stating typical and minimum like that? Which would have better contrast or would they be about on par? Also My e6430 came with 1366x768 so will I need a new LVDs cable to go HD+? I suppose I could just check, what am I looking for (Part # JTC08)? Keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterflux Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Darn got the single channel LVDs qal80 dc02001dv00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) 18 hours ago, scutterflux said: ... Also My e6430 came with 1366x768 so will I need a new LVDs cable to go HD+? I suppose I could just check, what am I looking for (Part # JTC08)? Keep up the good work. All info gathered on cables on this post. Part no for HD+ cable is JTC08 or CYM5C the latter seems to be the one for the E6530 but it fits the E6430 too and it is reported working here. I didn't find any notable upgrade for my screen that came original with my E6430 (900p) but there is an eBay seller who claims that an 1680x945 screen is compatible with the E6430. On 15/1/2015 at 0:48 AM, timohour said: The only notable screen (that I am aware of) in the 14" TN panel category is the Thinkpad X1 Carbon (gen 1) screen and its price is too high. but it may need some modifications (check here for the successful implementation on the T430). Spoiler Keep in mind when you order a screen that the seller can send a compatible screen if the phrase "exact" or something similar is not noted on the description. If you are seeking for a specific screen model, ask from the seller to send you the specific part no or you may receive a compatible one... Edited January 7, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutterflux Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Can't find specs/info on the carbon x1 screen (TLE2), but the (TLG1) looks good if it performs similarly but with only 45% gamut but 300nits. The big difference is the panels I listed should be drop in replacement (no modifications provided the connectors are in a similar location), the second one I listed (LG) is the common recommended upgrade for the XPS 14 L401x, also a notable TN panel, but the first one (n140o6-l02 Dell Studio 14z TrueLife) still looks like the best specs to me with highest contrast, viewing angles, and gamut, -50nits... I'll check back in few weeks or so with updates. Update* TLE2 in carbon x1 has gamut 72% and is very high for a TN screen, probably a main reason to like it, contrast has been reported all over the map but 400:1 seems likely with good viewing angles. Edited January 7, 2016 by scutterflux I made a mistake and updated too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) On 7/1/2016 at 6:45 AM, scutterflux said: Can't find specs/info on the carbon x1 screen (TLE2), but the (TLG1) looks good if it performs similarly but with only 45% gamut but 300nits. The big difference is the panels I listed should be drop in replacement (no modifications provided the connectors are in a similar location), the second one I listed (LG) is the common recommended upgrade for the XPS 14 L401x, also a notable TN panel, but the first one (n140o6-l02 Dell Studio 14z TrueLife) still looks like the best specs to me with highest contrast, viewing angles, and gamut, -50nits... I'll check back in few weeks or so with updates. Update* TLE2 in carbon x1 has gamut 72% and is very high for a TN screen, probably a main reason to like it, contrast has been reported all over the map but 400:1 seems likely with good viewing angles. Let us know if you find anything interesting... there is also 1080p 14" LVDS as suggested by @jacobsson on the 1st page... Spoiler On 16/1/2015 at 2:19 PM, jacobsson said: @timohour I could only find one single panel that matches your description: LVDS, 1920x1080, 14.00" (it's 2CH though): LP140WH8-TLA1 I couldn't find it anywhere available. EDIT: It seems that there was a typo in the panelook.com. It now states that this screen is a 1366x768p. Seems like there are no 1080p 14" screens. Edited January 20, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewos Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 On 5/1/2016 at 0:34 AM, Khenglish said: Temperatures had no effect. When using an approved power brick, CPU TDP on an xm cpu would be limited to the long power limit of 55W at all times. When using an unapproved power brick, The short term power limit would then work, allowing up to 68W, and full x4 turbo multiplier. Raising the power limits using IFR only worked when using an unapproved power brick. Using an approved brick would always clamp power draw to 55W. Yes, I also can be able to overclock only with an unapproved psu adapter (not the Dell one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) On 9/1/2016 at 0:43 PM, Dewos said: Yes, I also can be able to overclock only with an unapproved psu adapter (not the Dell one). It seems like I am the only one that I was able to OC my 3720QM with an official Dell adapter. The reason probably is that my 3720QM @ 3.8GHz is under the default short term power limit of 56.250W But I ran my CPU [email protected] for almost 255 sec without throttling (sometimes less sometimes more). Could you test your 3740QM with your unapproved psu adapter? How much is your maximum consumption [email protected] under full load (tbench 1024M)? If it is under 56.25W it should probably work with your Dell Adapter for small windows of time (128 sec). I currently have at home a friend's E6530 and going to try my 3720QM in his laptop this weekend to check if it works like in mine or needs an unapproved adapter. He picked it up earlier today. Didn't have enough time to try my 3720QM . Maybe another time. Edited January 10, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kondilac Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Not so long ago, i have kind of finished upgrading the hardware in my 6430. I can only tell one thing, this machine is a beast! 3dM11 results With a slightly overclocked GTX560Ti @1.2Opt The memory controller of this i7-3840QM can run my RAM sticks at factory timings @2133 with no problem, althrough only the slightest BCLK raise freezes the machine. No problem, i am fine @4Ghz 4C/8T The performance is on par with the desktop Ivy i7-s! I do not use C3 &C6, but turn on C1E to reduce temps & power consumption occasionally. I made aproppriate Throttlestop profiles for my usage scenarios. Idling power consumption is around 6W, but @full load the CPU is over 55W. Since i have the iGPU only model, the hetsink is inadequate, so currently i am looking for a dGPU heatsink to mod to fit. I use a Dell PR03X dock (with usb3) and i created a neat little script that automatically changes TS profiles when docked / undocked, and... As i found out, my current eGPU setup(W8.1 x64 UEFI, x1.2Opt @EC) can be hot-plugged on the go. No need to sleep / wake, i can just plug it in, and it instantly activates, aswell my 2 displays connected to the GPU. The other thing that i noticed, that i can "Safely Eject" it from the taskbar menu (disabling from device manager also works, but has to be enabled manually to regain true hot-plug) , and then remove the adapter without any system crash happening. So i came up with a very convienent solution wich fits my workflow when docking the laptop: I've made a script, which runs in the background, and detects if the machine is undocked, and automatically ejects the GPU. So basically, i can dock the laptop, plug in the EC, and everything works flawless, then without any interaction in the OS. When i take the laptop i only eject the machine from the dock, and can unplug the EC without any problems, without the need to restart/ sleep/wake the machine. The only interaction still required is to manually switch on and off the ATX PSU which feeds the GPU with juice, but this could be easily automated using the "dell monitor stand connector" which indicates when the laptop is connected. Work in progress... The script is kind of in beta state right now, but anybody who is interested hit me up with a PM and i send it, with the minimal instructions currently needed to configure it. Oh yeah and it does not need a docking station, theoretically i can bind the GPU eject to the removal of any hardware, (USB hub,mice,thumbdrive). Of course it cant be connected through the EC-s USB port because the removal of the EC must be after the removal of the helper device. Edited January 10, 2016 by kondilac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viilutaja Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) I bought E6430 (i7-3740QM and with 16GB 1600mhz memory ) also with dGPU (NVS5200). Everything works fine with PE4L 2.1b adapter. No different from booting up than with my previous Lenovo X230. Basically plug n-play. All GPU's are detected and present in Win. Weird thing is that my stock FireStrike2013 test is a lot slower than with the i5-3220M in X230. Altough physics score is doubled, but graphics score is lower :S Using same e-gpu (Gigabyte GTX670 OC with Windforce 3X). That is odd... Graphics result is around -900p less all stock clocks with E6430 :/ http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6344581/fs/7136982 And the most weird thing is that I cant OC my videcard anymore. Using MSI Afterburner. I apply the clocks, GPU-Z confirms that those clocks are applied, but there is no gain in graphics score like 0 effect! With X230 i had a huge bump in graphics score when I oc'd my GTX670. Comapring my X230 best OC score with E6430 best OC score. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6345009/fs/7139888 As You can see there is massive gain in Physics score thanks to 4 vs 2 core CPU, but more than -1200 point loss in graphics score. What gives? Also tried with same graphics driver versions... no change in result. It seems that clocks are applied but not utilized by program... Edited January 11, 2016 by viilutaja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, viilutaja said: I bought E6430 (i7-3740QM and with 16GB 1600mhz memory ) also with dGPU (NVS5200). Everything works fine with PE4L 2.1b adapter. No different from booting up than with my previous Lenovo X230. Basically plug n-play. All GPU's are detected and present in Win. Weird thing is that my stock FireStrike2013 test is a lot slower than with the i5-3220M in X230. Altough physics score is doubled, but graphics score is lower :S Using same e-gpu (Gigabyte GTX670 OC with Windforce 3X). That is odd... Graphics result is around -900p less all stock clocks with E6430 :/ http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6344581/fs/7136982 And the most weird thing is that I cant OC my videcard anymore. Using MSI Afterburner. I apply the clocks, GPU-Z confirms that those clocks are applied, but there is no gain in graphics score like 0 effect! With X230 i had a huge bump in graphics score when I oc'd my GTX670. Comparing my X230 best OC score with E6430 best OC score. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6345009/fs/7139888 As You can see there is massive gain in Physics score thanks to 4 vs 2 core CPU, but more than -1200 point loss in graphics score. What gives? Also tried with same graphics driver versions... no change in result. It seems that clocks are applied but not utilized by program... Do you have Optimus enabled in BIOS? I assume yes. I also assume you checked with GPU-z that your card runs @ x1.2 speeds. Could you try to disable your NVS5200 inside Windows? You can do it easily if you go to Device Manager -> System devices and disable the PCI Express Root Port that your dGPU is attached. Then try again to OC your GTX670 and check if the results change. On the second link you provided the results on the x230 are with an OCed GPU while with the E6430 it seems like it is not OCed (check under the graphics) that's what caused the huge difference. There is still a big difference though in the non OCed results. If you still have the X230 could you please run CUDA-z and post a screenshot of the performance tab for each laptop? (use the heavy load mode test) It will be helpful to see if there is a big difference in the host to device or device to host benchmarks. Edited January 11, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viilutaja Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Yes, I still have the X230. Will test them with CUDA-z. Also will disable the dGPU. The card run pci-e 2@ x1 .2 on both laptops. About the second link score... hmm, for me it shows both have GPU clock 1110mhz. 5190 with X230 and 4924 with E6430. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timohour Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 18 hours ago, viilutaja said: About the second link score... hmm, for me it shows both have GPU clock 1110mhz. 5190 with X230 and 4924 with E6430. check the memory clock. Spoiler Edited January 12, 2016 by timohour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viilutaja Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Oh, yes the memory oc. Missed that. it actually did no difference... How do i find the correct root port to disable the dGPU? There are 5 different ports. Port1-1E10 Port2-1E12 Port3-1E14 Port4-1E16 Port6-1E1A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kondilac Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 10 hours ago, viilutaja said: I bought E6430 (i7-3740QM and with 16GB 1600mhz memory ) also with dGPU (NVS5200). Everything works fine with PE4L 2.1b adapter. No different from booting up than with my previous Lenovo X230. Basically plug n-play. All GPU's are detected and present in Win. Weird thing is that my stock FireStrike2013 test is a lot slower than with the i5-3220M in X230. Altough physics score is doubled, but graphics score is lower :S Using same e-gpu (Gigabyte GTX670 OC with Windforce 3X). That is odd... Graphics result is around -900p less all stock clocks with E6430 :/ http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6344581/fs/7136982 And the most weird thing is that I cant OC my videcard anymore. Using MSI Afterburner. I apply the clocks, GPU-Z confirms that those clocks are applied, but there is no gain in graphics score like 0 effect! With X230 i had a huge bump in graphics score when I oc'd my GTX670. Comapring my X230 best OC score with E6430 best OC score. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6345009/fs/7139888 As You can see there is massive gain in Physics score thanks to 4 vs 2 core CPU, but more than -1200 point loss in graphics score. What gives? Also tried with same graphics driver versions... no change in result. It seems that clocks are applied but not utilized by program... The effect of higher physics score on 3dm points is very small, upgrading from a i5-3230M to i7-3840qm yielded ~300p better scores, but the physics score increase was more than 120%. If you still have access to the x230, maybe you should check the graphics settings in the nVidia control panel, and make sure that the settings are the same on the e6430 setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viilutaja Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Found another comaprison firestrike core, with equal mem clocks. Altough core clock is 5mhz different. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7139888/fs/6344859# But still massive difference in graphic score If i can't get this in line and no OC, then I have to resell e6430... which would be shame. Had big plans for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Inferno Fan Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, viilutaja said: Found another comaprison firestrike core, with equal mem clocks. Altough core clock is 5mhz different. http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7139888/fs/6344859# But still massive difference in graphic score If i can't get this in line and no OC, then I have to resell e6430... which would be shame. Had big plans for it. Ensure you are running a Gen2 eGPU link. Set your power profile to 'high performance' where PCI link state management is disabled Set your NVidia control panel 'power management' mode from 'adaptive' to 'prefer maximum performance'. Enable HPET timers via a admin command prompt 'bcdedit /set useplatformclock true' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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