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12.5" HP Elitebook 2570P Owner's Lounge

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Tech Inferno Fan July-2015>> Anybody interested in the 12.5" 2570P should also consider a 14" Dell E6430. The E6430 is the superior performance platform due to it's 900P LCD option, NVidia dGPU option, unlockable turbo bins (+400Mhz) on i7-37xxQM/i7-38xxQM CPUs and x2 2.0 eGPU capability. All with a minor size/weight penalty. See http://forum.techinferno.com/dell-la...tml#post118135 for details.

 

Welcome to the 2570P Owner's Lounge! A place to liase with other owners and share useful tips/tricks/mods to get the most satisfying user experience from this exceptional ultraportable notebook.


Release date: 22 June 2012, Model name: Inventec SIMBA, Nick name: EXtremeBook for i7-quad upgraded units
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A 2570P can be had for as little as US$250 on ebay-US , still with remaining 3yr global onsite warranty. A bargain when you consider it's upgraded desktop-replacement performance and durable MIL-spec build in a small 12.5" package. A features set unmatched by any other Ivy Bridge or Haswell notebook that remains undisclosed by all online reviews and even by HP. Grab one before word gets out . 2570P highlights being: 

  • socketted CPU allows a easy user upgrade up to a 45W i7-quad, doubling i5/i7 dual-core CPU performance. The result of doing so being the smallest, most powerful systems available that can function as a desktop replacement. Ultraportable competitors like a 12-14" Lenovo X230/X1C/T430s, Dell E6230/E6330, Toshiba R930/R940 or 13" Macbook Pro all have soldered dual-core i5/i7 CPUs making CPU upgrades unfeasible. Need to upsize to a larger 14" Lenovo T430/T440 or (preferrably) a Dell E6440 to get a socketted CPU. 
     
  • rare 5Gbps expresscard slot allows implementing a ~$160 GTX560Ti@x1.2Opt DIY eGPU for gaming graphics, CUDA/OpenCL processing or driving more external LCDs. 
     
  • optical drive can be swapped with a second 2.5" 9.5mm SATA-III 6Gbps SSD or HDD in a caddy & in a JBOD, RAID-0 (performance) or RAID-1 (redundancy) configuration. Can have up to 4TB of internal storage (2x2TB 9.5mm). Or RAID-0 2xSSDs for superfast boot-times and > 1GB/s sequential transfers.
     
  • eSATAp port allows external bootable SSD/HDD to be attached using a single eSATAp cable. Ultra convenient when you consider USB-only systems like Macbooks require complicated software workarounds to get a Win7/8 disk booted off their USB ports.
     
  • upgradeable wifi : can upgrade to recently-released 802.11AC standard with a Broadcom BCM4352 or Intel 7260 HMW card as explained.
     
  • internal WWAN/3G capable : install a whitelisted WWAN/3G card, insert a mobile SIM and surf the internet anywhere
     
  • battery options include a 31Wh 3-cell, 62Wh 6-cell (9hrs) and 100Wh 9-cell battery (15hrs)
     
  • is listed by laptopmag as a top 5 HP laptop of 2013 (Dec-2013) and top 10 business notebook (Apr-2013)


Comparison: http://forum.techinferno.com/what-no...html#post34610 concludes the 2570P is the best one.

Comparison: 12.5" HP 820 G1 (Haswell: 4th-gen i-core) versus 2570P (Ivy Bridge: 3rd gen i-core) in spoiler:


 

Spoiler

 

HP's 2013 successor to the 2570P, the "820 G1" is yet another take on an ultrabook thin but with business features and better LCD panels. The thinness and low weight targets have resulted in the 2570P's performance features being sacrificed: upgradeable CPU, ODD for second HDD/SSD, RAID-0/1 support, 5Gbps expresscard slot for eGPU use and probably the upgradeable wifi all gone!! A '820 G1' is a performance downgrade from a 2570P. It is more of a 12.5" successor to the ULV 2170P than the 2570P. What a disappointment from HP. 

Hence why a request for HP to make a Haswell 2570P successor, a "ZBook 12" was emailed. REF: Request for "ZBOOK 12" emailed to HP PSG head executive and reply received. The ZBook 14/15/17 range are HP's chunkier high performance 2013 Haswell notebook range this is missing a 12.5" unit.

Unfortunately the end result of that conversation being that in 12.5" there will only be a ULV "820 G1". The recommendation is to look at a 14" Probook 600 as being the smallest Haswell 2570P replacement. It has a socketted CPU, dual-drives, better HD/FHD panels and even a dGPU option. No expresscard slot though. The 12.5" 2570P small-and-mighty form factor being discontinued. 

I can't help but ask who marketted the 2560P/2570P? They'd win awards for stealth marketting since the 2560P/2570P was severly under-represented against the Lenovo X220/X230. 

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Comparison: 12.5" HP 2570P (Ivy Bridge: 3rd gen i-core) versus 2560P (Sandy Bridge: 2nd gen i-core)

 

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Difference between these systems is minor but in nearly all cases favors the 2570P. Hence no surpise the newer 2570P is a costlier unit.

- 2560P is TDP limited to 36W making i7-quad CPUs run at significantly lower-than-specced 4-core turbo frequencies. 2570P is TDP limited to 45W so can run their CPUs near their specced 4-core turbo frequency. REF: http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-busi...html#post79495

- 2560P uses a latch to secure the LCD down resulting in the top cover having latch cutouts as well as latches visible on the LCD bezel. 2570P uses magnets instead. The 2570P's omission of the latches and cutouts giving a cleaner LCD bezel and top cover appearance.

- 2570P nightlight gives a better spread across the keyboard.

- 2570P is RAID storage capable. 2560P is not.

- 2570P can host either a 35W/45W Ivy Bridge CPU or Sandy Bridge CPU. 2560P can only host a Sandy Bridge CPU. Ivy Bridge having the faster HD4000 iGPU and is built using the more power efficient 22nm lithography. There are efficient 35W quad-core Ivy Bridge CPUs. There are no 35W quad-core Sandy Bridge CPUs.

- 2570P has the newer Series-7 chipset which include USB 3.0. 2560P uses a Series-6 chipset with no USB 3.0

- 2560P does however have lower idle power consumption. I could get under 5W with one whereas the best a 2570P can do is 5.4W. This is probably due to USB 3.0 controller on the 2570P.

- 2570P supports DDR3L RAM. 2560P *I believe* does not.

- 2570P has a buggy WLAN bios whitelist allowing any WLAN cards to be used. 2560P only allows whitelisted WLAN cards to be used.

- 2570P has newer WWAN/Bluetooth whitelist cards.

- 2570P has boot Upgrade Bay bios option. 2560P doesn't by default - requires biosconfigutility.exe to set hidden option

 


Example user-customized 2570P systems ordered by CPU performance
 

User
CPU clock TDP x27-TDP
Storage: 9.5mm primary + ODD bay
Other mods
i7 quad-core equipped 2570Ps
Aikimox i7-3840QM@2.93 45W 500GB + 1TB HDDs (1.5TB) OC ME FW, 16GB DDR3, cooling
Tech Inferno Fan i7-3740QM@2.83 45W 22.1W 256GB S840P.SSD + ODD + 500GB eSATAp GTX770 eGPU, OC ME FW, BCM4352AC wifi, battery life tweaks, cooling
Dewos i7-3840QM 2.8 45W 24.8W 128GB+128GB RAID0 SSDs GTX660 eGPU, 16GB DDR3
badbadbad i7-3840QM 2.8 45W 26.2W 500GB S840 EVO SSD + ODD 16GB DDR3L, BCM4352AC wifi
invait53 i7-3840QM 2.8 45W 128GB SSD + 2TB ST HDD 16GB DDR3, WLAN-USB, BCM4352AC wifi+BT4.0
paperclip i7-3820QM 2.7 45W 22.4W 240GB Intel 530 SSD + ODD  
jacobsson i7-3740QM 2.7 45W 256GB+256GB RAID0 SSDs + 500GB eSATAp GTX670 eGPU, 16GB DDR3L, cooling
pandaleo i7-3740QM 2.7 45W 24.5W 256GB Toshiba SSD 16GB DDR3L
Uftherr i7-3720QM 2.6 45W   GTX570 eGPU, 8GB DDR3, cooling
hatoblue i7-3630QM 2.4 45W 23.6W   GTX560Ti eGPU
krazyazy i7-3632QM 2.2 35W 24.5W 256GB S840P.SSD + 500GB HDD GTX660Ti eGPU, 16GB DDR3L
phillofoc i7-3632QM 2.2 35W 25.5W 128GB C400 SSD + 500GB HDD GTX650Ti eGPU, 16GB DDR3L, 7260AC wifi, battery life tweaks
bjorm i7-3632QM 2.2 35W 25.7W 500GB S840 SSD + ODD GTX560TI eGPU, cooling+quiet_fan+holey_bottom
i5 or i7 dual-core equipped 2570Ps
rhx123 i7-3520M 2.9 35W 256GB LiteOn LCT-256M3S SSD + ODD GTX780 eGPU
jot23 i5-3210M 2.5 35W 128GB C400 SSD + 640GB HDD GTX660 eGPU
xuhexiffi806 i7-3689Y 1.5 13W 180GB Intel 530 SSD + weight saver 100Wh 9-cell battery, expresscard-SD reader

PURPLE - highest performance AND lowest power consumption in this table
RED - highest performance configuration in this table
GREEN - lowest power consumption in this table
x27-TDP: TDP when running at x27 reflecting overall CPU temps and efficiency as discussed

 



Operating System, Support, Drivers, Disassembly Guide 

HP's 2570p Drivers Link, Manuals Link, Maintenance And Service Guide, Disassembly Guide, Media Services Link w/ video
Windows 7 OEM HP Source - For Clean Installs : includes additional HP installation contents needed for a Win7 clean install media.
2560P schematic : 2570P is similiar but unfortunately no public schematic found for it as yet. This is the next best thing.
HP warranty checker : useful to check a ebay secondhand unit's remaining warranty 

Performance upgrade: i7-quad CPU resulting in 'IVB ZBook 12' or 'EXtremeBook'

Can effectively double the CPU performance going from a factory i5/i7 dual core to a i7-quad CPU. Could also be desirable if you wish to lower fan noise and temps. Running a i7-quad with max 99% CPU utilization results in noticably cooler temps than their dual-core counterparts without loss of performance, eg: cool i7-quads by bjorm's i7-3632QM or Aikimox's i7-3840QM. Note: warranty implications of a CPU upgrade - a factory-specced faster dual core up to i7-3520M 2.9 will not void warranty while a i7-quad will void the warranty if HP know about it as it wasn't offered with one. I'd keep the original CPU back and swap it back in if necessary. Upgraded 2570P i7-quad system examples are shown in the table above.

NOTE: A 45W CPU can have highest multiplier limited to a 35W CPU level using Throttlestop software. That means a 45W i7-3630QM/i7-3610M (turbo=3.4/3.3Ghz) runs like a 35W i7-3632QM/i7-3612QM (turbo=3.2/3.1Ghz). Best 45W i7-quads being a i7-3630QM (x32) , i7-3720QM (x34) and i7-3740QM/3820QM (x35). There is at max 9% 4-core peformance difference between these with the higher end ones often not being able to maintain their upper multipliers as shown here. Meaning, suggest grab whichever is available and of lowest cost in your area.

The 4-core TDP limit means any faster 45W CPUs do not see any gains. If need more performance and have deeper pockets then consider purchasing a 55W i7-3920XM instead. It has an additional 10W heatroom for turbo. Though it will absolutely need cooling mods to be able to accomodate at that level. <- 55W CPU is being limited to 45W on a 2570P as shown.

It's possible to get and install cheaper PGA-to-BGA converted i7-quad CPUs as demonstrated by pandaleo.

RECOMMENDED reading: How to choose the most efficient 45W i7-quad

Performance upgrade: external graphics (eGPU)

DIY eGPU to attach a desktop videocard via the 2570P's 5Gbps expresscard slot. Provides accelerated gaming graphics, CUDA/OpenCL processing and additional HDMI/DVI outputs to drive multiple monitors. 

To do this most users only need to set System configuration->Device configuration expresscard slot from Generation 1 to Generation 2 as shown below:

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A NVidia GTX460/560/660/670 is a straight plug-n-play implementation on a 2570P when using Windows 7, though Win8.x is problematic (src: here). Win8.x users may consider doing a UEFI installation instead which resolved error12 and gave hotplug capabilities as noted here.

An AMD card, GTX650, GTX750, GTX9xx or older NVidia cards require a DSDT override and (maybe) DIY eGPU Setup 1.x interposer software to eradicate error 12 that prevents their functionality. See the 2570P DSDT override details if using one of these cards.

Implemented on a 2570P at x1.2Opt speed (5Gbps + compression) using a NVidia GTX670 (jacobsson), GTX660Ti (Tech Inferno Fan), GTX560Ti (bjorm), GTX660 (dewos), GTX560Ti (hatoblue), GTX650Ti (phillofoc)

 

Above: simplified HP 2570P eGPU installation process instructions courtesy of T|U user badbadbad


Performance upgrade: storage

Extra hotswappable 9.5mm (2.5") HDD/SSD added through Optical-Drive Bay (SimoxTav) or newmodeus. 
US$18 optical drive faceplate replacement part
2570P RAID-0 SSD guide (jacobsson) - get superfast bootup and 1GB/s sequential reads by configuring two SATA-III SSDs as a RAID-0 vol
US$4 eSATAp cable - connect to your SATA HDD/SSD to the 2570P's eSATAp (combo SATA+ USB 3.0) port for superfast bootable storage.
FAQ about optical drive space saver: can it's faceplate be used on other ODDs/caddies? Answer: no/yes.

System mod: LCD upgrade

 

The supplied LCD is a 12.5" single-LVDS TN panel,  HP P/N 685504-001 which is a AUO B125XW02 V.0 or Samsung LTN125AT02 with relatively narrow viewing angles and around 45% gamut.


X220/X230 IPS LCD retrofit with wide viewing angles: failed attempts by bjorm and pandaleo due to insufficient clearance
higher-resolution panels: not possible as HP has confirmed 2570P has only single-LVDS wired per details

System mods: cooling and fan quietening

Recommended reading - INFO: Tech Inferno Fan findings on improving 2570P cooling system

Notebook FanControl - easier to configure than TPFanControl. Can set 2.5% (2825 rpm)-100% (5120 rpm) manual fan control or temperature-based rules. Nice. Though because there isn't a 2570P configuration item I use a HP 8560P or ZBook 15 instead.
troubadix's TPFanControl allows software fan step control though doesn't alter the cut-in RPMs which bjorm says is 3072rpm
quiet_fan: 2x1N4004 diode mod (bjorm) & : reduce fan RPMs including cut-in RPMs
heatsink mods: by Tech Inferno Fan's (copper-stack), Aikimox, bjorm & jacobsson's 'Anarchist' - improve heat transfer to reduce fan activity or host a 45W i7-quad comfortably
bjorm's holey bottom cover mod - improve airflow

System mod: BIOS inc WLAN/WWAN 

Unfortunately the 2570P bios is RSA protected. Flashing a modified BIOS that say disables the WWAN whitelist results in system failing to boot. Nobody has successfully created a modified bios. REF: bios-mods.com. 

WLAN/WWAN/Bluetooth whitelist : IDs of cards that the BIOS will allow boot with.
Confirmed Intel 6235 working in 2570P - it's between 0.5W to 1W more efficient than the stock Intel 6205 (M3ph15t)
Non-whitelisted Intel/Atheros WLAN works: Intel 1000, 5100, 6235 and Atheros AR5B91 all work as "Test WLAN" cards with BIOS F.41/F.42
F.44 bios confirmed by HP to have no WLAN whitelist
BIOS dumps at hpfocus.com : extensive Elitebook (inc 2570P) bios dumps. Here's the two files discussed of interest: 68ISB16.F34.rar (F.34 dump - unlock flash descriptor with WIN+[left arrow]+[right arrow] then flash using fptw64.exe utility). 
NbDmiFit-2.03.zip (DMIFit - initialize the computer information(S/N, P/N, etc.) 
Emergency recovery: if you have a flash go wrong
http://forum.techinferno.com/general...html#post26529 : Press WIN+[left arrow]+[right arrow] during poweron to unlock the flash descriptor

WWANDOS - HP WWAN whitelist writing tool


Tweaks: overclocking and extending battery life

Khenglish's 2570P BCLK overclocking ME FW - allows increasing BCLK by 4.8% using XTU software, eg: i5-3360M 2.8Ghz -> 2.93Ghz
Battery life tweaks inc 33% longer 2570P battery life by enabling ASPMs and L0s L1 using software

MISC info

WLAN-USB: Wiring the WLAN USB pins to the docking connector to enable WLAN Bluetooth (BCM94352AC+BT4.0) [invait53]
INFO: Retrofitting webcam to non-webcam model
Correcting Production Information Incorrect bios halt screen (eg: system board, product name, serial, SKU, family)
Using a ramdisk for browser cache (phillofoc) : to extend battery life
WWAN whitelist workaround. As a BIOS mod is not possible, enthusiastic individuals could mask then internally re-route the WWAN USB pins (36,38) to either the expresscard or docking connector USB port. Yes, soldering would be required. REF: 2560P schematic for pinouts.

unbridged tracks on 2570P WWAN socket are mSATA but no BIOS support : info on how the mSATA can be enabled on the WWAN socket 
weight loss : how to lighten the 2570P using a weight saver instead of the optical drive, lighter AC adapter, + more.
Hackintosh works on 2570P: Mac OSX Mountain Lion (10.8.5) confirmed working minus wifi on a 2570P.
Hackintosh works on 2570P #2 : Newer Mavericks 10.9 working on a 2570P. 
HP '820 G1' backlit keyboard retrofit : unimplemented experimental howto
Obtaining an expresscard blank: how to order a replacement if lost yours, getting a optical bay space saver in the process
HP HS2340 WWAN module: using it on a non-HP notebook
HS2340 WWAN module: fixes for dropping connections (HP forums)
Systemboard photos : closeup photos by pandaleo
Win7 fix for brightness hotkeys ceasing to work after sleep-resume cycle (phillofoc)

Acknowledgements: a cast of many 2570P and other T|I users contributing to this thread. Thank you.



12.5" HP Elitebook 2570P review from 51nb.com

Tech Inferno Fan comments: Below is 51nb.com's Chinese-to-English translated 2570P review. notebookcheck have done a extensive review too. There's another English version review of the HP EliteBook 2570p posted that has some great coverage. 

Almighty business The HP EliteBook 2570p evaluation (source: 51nb.com)

Business this traditionally has a the impertinent game video of the mainstream computing power, With the notebook full access IVB era, equipped with the latest the IVB architecture processor of Commerce this performance has been further enhanced. HP recently introduced the ProBook and EliteBook series of new business in this latest IVB platform positioning flagship model EliteBook 2570p continuation of the the HP business of the excellent design, including black TrackPoint, fingerprint reader, 180 degrees opening and closing angle, backplane Free tools demolition, today let us through a detailed evaluation of the article to understand the business of the new features under this all-around.
 

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HP EliteBook 2570p hardware configuration: Intel IVB i5 3210M processor, 4GB DDR3 1600 single-channel memory, 500GB 7200 rpm mechanical hard drive, Intel HD 4000 Core graphics, detailed parameter configuration table with reference below.
 

Hewlett-Packard (HP) 2570p (B8Z45PA)
Operating system Preloaded with Windows 7 Professional Edition
Processor frequency Intel IVB i5 3210M
Processor description Dual core four threads, clocked at 2.5GHz, Turbo accelerates to 3.1GHz, TDP 35W
Memory descriptor 4GB DDR3 1600
Hard to describe 500GB, 7200 rpm mechanical hard
Drive type DVD burner
Screen description 12.5 inches, 1366x768, 16:9 dimming wide viewing angle, thin screen
Graphics chip Intel GMA HD 4000 (Core Graphics)
Wireless LAN 802.11b/g/n (300Mbps)
Refers to take keyboard Pointing stick, touchpad (multi-touch), full-size chocolate keyboard
Data interface 2 USB3.0, 1 a USB2.0/eSATA dual-use interface, VGA, power, keyhole, DisplayPort, docking station port, RJ-45/RJ-11 interface, Smart Card, ExpressCard, SD card reader.
Body Material Magnesium alloy
Body weight Bare metal 1.96kg, travel 2.415kg
Body size 300mm x 209mm x 27mm


Appearance and interface: magnesium alloy body business interface

● The appearance and use of materials

High strength material to the positioning the flagship of Commerce this will build the fuselage, the HP EliteBook 2570p body adopts high-strength magnesium alloy, with silver surface grinding process, with strong metal texture and also can effectively prevent fingerprint residue . 2570p whole shape design very low-key, nor around the rounded handle the current popular to abandon fashion elements only for the professional business.
 

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HP 2570p magnesium alloy body with a high degree of robustness

 

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Lithium battery using the HP 2570p randomly equipped the kyphosis design, this is tantamount to increase the width of the fuselage, but large-capacity lithium battery can also bring more endurance.


● Body thickness
 

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2570p rear fuselage thickest approximately 34.25mm, and the front of the fuselage of 30.95mm, thickness or normal the Almighty business this machine who can design more expansion interface.

● Extended Interface
 

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Almighty business this has a very well-equipped business interface design, the HP 2570p fuselage front end does not design any expansion interface, and most of the area of the rear fuselage, while lithium batteries occupy, but the left and right sides of the battery is still VGA, and dual USB3.0 interface.
 

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HP 2570p expansion interface design more concentrated in the fuselage left and right ends of the left side of the fuselage interface follows the power, RJ-45, RJ-11, DVD drive and Smart Card, the right side of the fuselage interface from right left turn for notebook lock the docking connector eSATA/USB2.0, DisplayPort, headphone / microphone, SD card reader and ExpressCard. View 2570p expansion interface is very well equipped, even the old RJ-11 interface has also been retained, two USB3.0 plus a USB2.0 also be able to meet the demand for the use of the most of the time, although 2570p DisplayPort interface , but the lack of a more mainstream HDMI interface looks a little regret.

● portability
 

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The HP 2570p bare metal weight of 1.96kg, travel weight of 2.41kg, this weight is quite normal for a performance mainstream business of the Almighty metal.

Chapter Summary: HP EliteBook 2570p on the body design is very introverted, magnesium-alloy high-strength material can effectively protect the safety of the fuselage, the surface layer of matte treatment has a good anti-fingerprint effect. More normal body thickness and portability. Interface, in addition to 2570p with HDMI outside the flagship business of the proper mainstream interface connected to the docking station can further enhance scalability.

12.5-inch matte screen spill-resistant keyboard display and manipulation:

● Screen
 

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HP EliteBook 2570p with a 12.5-inch LED matte screen resolution is 1366x768, 12.5-inch mainstream is also the business of the frequently used screen size, actual use, and 13-inch screen is not much difference. The matte surface is indispensable for high-end business, which can effectively prevent the glare caused by the interference of the human eye while enhancing the notebook display. The actual use of the process, a good piece of screen display, more accurate color reproduction, viewing angle of approximately 150 degrees left and right direction.
 

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HP EliteBook 2570p with alloy hinge sunken shaft the screen high fastness, 2570p screen the maximum opening angle of more than 180 degrees, which is also an important high-end business logo.

● camera 
 

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HP EliteBook 2570p HD Webcam settings on the screen just above the right there with a protective cover keyboard lights when not in use can be turned off the protective cover to prevent dust and moisture from entering.

● control experience 
 

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HP 2570p is equipped with a high-touch black chocolate spill-resistant keyboard, the key processes and key spacing design is very reasonable, prolonged beating also be able to maintain a good feeling. Although this keyboard does not have a backlight function, but by means of the camera to the right of the keyboard lights in low light conditions and accurate identification keys. This as the flagship business, let your hands do not leave the area of the keyboard to move the cursor pointing stick natural essential 2570p black the TrackPoint design in the middle of the keyboard position.
 

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2570p touchpad uses the same metal grinding treatment, feel comfortable, precise positioning on the below the the four shortcuts resistance are very small, the key sound is also very light. Up and down two shortcuts used with the TrackPoint, the bottom two and trackpad for use with two combinations, allowing those different habits.
 

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2570p biometric fingerprint reader design in the lower right corner of the C surface

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2570p the upper right corner of the keyboard area wireless network switch, three shortcuts for fast Internet access and volume switch, the top left corner of the keyboard area is only one power switch the C surface design is also very simple.

● scalability 
 

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HP 2570p backplane support tool-free, only need to the bottom of the fuselage on the left of the power / the the backplane combo demolition the switch Wang Zuoce poke can free tool to tear down the backplane, this design is very humane, users either upgrade your hardware or clean-up The dust will become very convenient.
 

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HP 2570p disassemble tool-free chassis internal body details

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HP 2570p memory slots and hard drive slot details, including hard disk slot portion with a unique HP 3D DriveGuard protection technology, the fuselage impact on the effective protection of hard disk data.
 

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2570p also provides mSATA interface, users can increase their own SSD to improve the overall performance.


Chapter Summary: HP 2570p with a piece of business of the common 12.5-inch LED matte screen resolution mainstream 1366x768, the screen maximum opening angle of 180 degrees or more, fully meet the demand for business use, in addition with black TrackPoint and keyboard lighting, full-size chocolate spill-resistant keyboard can bring very good handling experience. Scalability using unique backplane Free tools demolition design, 2570p hardware upgrade or clean up the dust are very convenient.

Hardware and performance: IVB i5 3210M with HD 4000 nuclear

● Processor
 

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HP 2570p using an Intel architecture IVB i5 3210M processor, using the X86 field is currently the most advanced 22nm process technology, dual-core four threads, 6MB cache, the default clocked at 2.5GHz, Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz, TDP 35W.

● Memory 
 

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Terms of memory, 2570p using a single 2GB DDR3 1600 high-speed memory, timing 11-11-11-28, read speed 11794MB / s, write speed to 12462MB / s read and write speed or capacity can good deal with day-to-day use demand, can increase a 4GB memory 8GB dual-channel, the whole performance there will be a certain level of improvement.

● wPrime 
 

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wPrime is a notebook processor performance testing software, 2570p using the i5 3210M 32M and 1024M test results were 16.911 seconds and 584.833 seconds, leading the older generation i5 2430M approximately 10%.

● CINEBENCH 11.5
 

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Another common CINEBENCH 11.5 test software, the HP 2570p CPU single core performance 1.15pts, multi-core results 2.71pts previous generation i5 2430M approximately 10% ahead of the same.

● Graphic
 

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Business notebook graphics capabilities are not very high, HP 2570p CPU integrated Intel HD Graphics 4000 Core graphics card, core frequency of 650MHz, memory frequency is 800MHz, and meet the business office is not a big problem.

● Hard 
 

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HP 2570p with a 500GB 7200 rpm Hitachi mechanical hard drive, this hard drive in HD Tune Pro test a minimum transfer speed of about 45.4MB / S, the maximum transmission speed is about 103.0MB / S, the average transfer speed of approximately 79.0 MB / S, HD Tune graph when the read test is also very stable. The 2570p Similarly with HP 3D DriveGuard hard disk protection technology, the fuselage by the impact of the big efforts to advance locked hard disk to protect data security.

● PCMARK 7
 

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In the the professional machine performance testing software PCMARK7, 2570p total score of 2819 points.


Chapter Summary: HP 2570p using the latest IVB i5 3210M processor, the default 2.5GHz, 3.1GHz high frequency has a very mainstream performance Turbo 4GB DDR3 1600 memory also able to meet the complex business-use environment. 500GB 7200 RPM high-capacity mechanical hard drive with HP 3D DriveGuard hard disk protection technology, the data is very safe.

Cooling capacity, endurance test, evaluation Full Summary

● Heat 
 

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HP 2570p using the bottom into the wind, the wind out of the right side of the fuselage cooling mode, use should pay attention to the right hand mouse and the distance of the fuselage, so as not to vent hot air right impact. 2570p Here's the specific thermal performance test.
 

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The temperature of the surface of the conventional standby fuselage C (left) and D surface (right)

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To use AIDA64 Let 2570p processor and graphics card to run at full capacity 30 minutes

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Full load for 30 minutes after the fuselage C surface temperature

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Surface temperature of the full load for 30 minutes after the body D


We can see through the professional thermal imager: conventional standby mode (room temperature about 26 degrees) 2570p body C face maximum temperature was 34.4 degrees, the position appears in the upper left corner of the touchpad, the maximum temperature of the D surface outlet was 38.5 degrees, the position appears on the right side of the fuselage, the whole, fairly good 2570p cooling capacity in standby mode; conventional 2570p fuselage C surface temperature of 36.8 degrees after 30 minutes of full load, D surface The maximum temperature of 59.2 degrees C, the highest temperature of the surface D are located near the main outlet the HP 2570p full load cooling capacity is the same impressive.

● Endurance Test 
 

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HP EliteBook 2570p standard lithium battery capacity 11.1V 62Wh

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Screen brightness to 50% and turn on WiFi, then turn on the power-saving mode the last HP 2570p estimated 7 hours battery life under Windows 7.

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Evaluation Summary: HP 2570p has a very high degree of sturdy magnesium alloy body, coupled with a biometric fingerprint reader, spill-resistant keyboard 3D DriveGuard hard disk protection technology, the internal body as well as the hard drive information can be effectively protected . The opening angle of over 180 degrees screen, mainstream and complete business interface design, IVB platform performance, excellent hardware configurations make this machine demonstrated a deep skill, backplane tool-free is a big bright spot, users can easily upgrade hardware or screwdriver to clean the dust. This model priced at about 10,500 yuan, the positioning and the ThinkPad T430 is similar, if you do not intend to into the black, then this HP EliteBook 2570p is also a very good choice.

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Seems like a great review, but I can't help to think it's also quite a bit biased: the reviews that don't mention any cons are totally not to be trusted imo. :)

I also disagree with comparison to T430. T430 is a heaver 14" laptop, and 2570p can be directly compared to X230 instead:

- 2570p looks more sleek I suppose

- 2570p has much worse TN screen with average brightness of 166 nit (cd/m^2); conveniently left out from the review [ref: notebookcheck.com review]. This is a bit low compared to the average of 264 nit for IPS screen on X230. The viewing angles are listed as 150 degrees -- I have to say I laughed at this part since I know the laptop comes with a fairly poor TN screen.

- 2570p has replaceable CPU, but it is unclear to me through how many CPU generations this will last (my point is by the time you'll need faster CPU there will be much faster CPUs from subsequent generations on the market)

- 2570p runs 10 C colder than X230 (80C vs 90C) on full load. This is to me a fairly better and probably the biggest advantage.

- as configured X230 with IPS screen comes about $690+tax through Lenovo Barnes&Noble website (this is around $800 or just slightly below if you add that + shipping).

The way I see it, for $50 more (say X230 is $800 after taxes and shipping) you get a sexier looks and replaceable CPU, but a far worse TN instead of IPS screen (and you need to purchase 2570p from a fairly unknown third party merchant; otherwise the price will go up by ~$100). The cooling is a bit better in 2570p. Apart from that, 2570p and X230 are pretty much the same and the question becomes whether one is willing to trade the IPS screen (and $50) for improvements in other places.

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Seems like a great review, but I can't help to think it's also quite a bit biased: the reviews that don't mention any cons are totally not to be trusted imo. :)

I also disagree with comparison to T430. T430 is a heaver 14" laptop, and 2570p can be directly compared to X230 instead:

- 2570p looks more sleek I suppose

- 2570p has much worse TN screen with average brightness of 166 nit (cd/m^2); conveniently left out from the review [ref: notebookcheck.com review]. This is a bit low compared to the average of 264 nit for IPS screen on X230. The viewing angles are listed as 150 degrees -- I have to say I laughed at this part since I know the laptop comes with a fairly poor TN screen.

- 2570p has replaceable CPU, but it is unclear to me through how many CPU generations this will last (my point is by the time you'll need faster CPU there will be much faster CPUs from subsequent generations on the market)

- 2570p runs 10 C colder than X230 (80C vs 90C) on full load. This is to me a fairly better and probably the biggest advantage.

- as configured X230 with IPS screen comes about $690+tax through Lenovo Barnes&Noble website (this is around $800 or just slightly below if you add that + shipping).

The way I see it, for $50 more (say X230 is $800 after taxes and shipping) you get a sexier looks and replaceable CPU, but a far worse TN instead of IPS screen (and you need to purchase 2570p from a fairly unknown third party merchant; otherwise the price will go up by ~$100). The cooling is a bit better in 2570p. Apart from that, 2570p and X230 are pretty much the same and the question becomes whether one is willing to trade the IPS screen (and $50) for improvements in other places.

I believe the reviewer compared it to a T430 because a 2570P weighs in close to a T430. It's heavier weight and HP's whitelisting of WWAN/wifi ports are the other disadvantages of a 2570P. Though I believe Lenovo whitelist their wifi/WWAN ports but unlike a 2570P, a hacked bios is usually available as a workaround.

You are on the mark with advantages of a 2570P plus do note that a 2570P can accomodate a 2.5" 9.5mm primary drive + either a optical drive or a second 2.5" 9.5mm primary drive via a caddy. A X230 uses a 7mm 2.5" drive + second mSATA drive. So a X230 has lower storage capacity with it's 7mm/mSATA drives which also happen to be higher cost per GB than their 9.5mm cousins.

A 2570P's upgradable CPU means if one puts a 45W i7-quad into it they'd get the smallest, most powerful system available in the current gen. Supports SATA-III RAID-0 across it's two drives (2.5" + 2.5" via optical caddy) too giving a very fast storage subsystem to match.

Gadgetsnute, a NBR Dell E6220 user dismissed a X220 because of it's looks but wanted the IPS LCD. He ended up retrofitting a IPS LCD into his E6220. REF: Latitude E6220 IPS screen replacement . I wonder if the same can be done with a 2570P/2560P? If HP offered IPS on their 2570P then it would be a no brainer for me - a X230 with it's dated looks and less durable build wouldn't even be on the radar.

In any case, a 2570P is a good one to keep on the radar once it trickles into the s/h market for it's upgradable CPU feature and business grade durability. Best if it still has some remainder of the higher-specced 3yr NBD onsite global warranty.

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Yeah forgot about that -- good point about the drives. Even without RAID-0, one could go with just SSD + something like 1TB for storage drive (or just throw out the optical drive all together and reduce the weight). I don't mind the Thinkpad looks, but I think without the old school keyboard X-series has less and less going for it.

The X220/X230 IPS screens are available on eBay in ~$100 range; it would be interesting to try it out.

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INFO: Battery life tweaks

 


Substantial battery life gains can be had by doing the following. I use Battstat or BatteryBar to measure instantaneous power consumption.

* Using a ramdisk for browser cache (phillofoc) : to extend battery life

* if have Intel 6205AGN installed then load the latest Intel driver. I'm using http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23186/eng/wireless_16.1.5_Ds64.exe and now get a nice 2.5W drop in power consumption when switch from AC to DC. Prior to that I was using HP's 2570P wifi driver which would only go into low power after a AC to DC switch if I disabled it in Device Manager. However, re-enabling it kicked power consumption back up. The HP driver is best avoided.

* better yet, use a US$34.95 Broadcomm BCM4352 802.11AC wifi card, suspected of being more efficient than Intel cards as documented at http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2537-12-5-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge-43.html#post79977 .

* enable ASPMs as discussed below. Decreases idle power consumption from 8W->6W (2W less). That's a lot.

* if enabling ASPMs then consider also setting card reader port3 and wifi port4 to run at x1 1.0 instead of x1 2.0 as discussed to see a minor power saving.

* enable AHCI Link Power management for SSD/HDD with HIPM+DIPM set.

* disable the USB port that hosts the WWAN device while on DC and not in use. Can be automated as a batch file by using MS' devcon utility.

* disable the Intel(R) Display Audio. It sucks about 0.3W and isn't generally used.

* set LCD brightness to be min+3 increments for DC mode in the power profile

* set CPU max to be 99% in power profile for DC mode in the power profile. That disables the power hungry turbo boost. Consider extending this further with reg hacks to enable "Processor Performance Core Parking Min Cores" (0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583), "Processor Performance Core Parking Core Override" (a55612aa-f624-42c6-a443-7397d064c04f) and "Processor Performance Core Parking Parked Performance State" (447235c7-6a8d-4cc0-8e24-9eaf70b96e2b) as described

* set iGPU for max battery in Intel control panel and power profile

* set wifi for max battery in power profile

* set 'Time to Power Saving' to 5s in the SRS (Sound) system tray icon.

* install Flashblock browser add on so blocks out power sucking flash content

* Use a ramdisk for the browser cache as discussed to reduce power-sucking SSD/HDD reads

* If have a SSD use SSDtweaker to disable the pagefile, hiberation amongst other tweaks

* A further 0.3W saving can be had by using Throttlestop to decrease lowest max multiplier from x12 (1.2Ghz) to x8 (800Mhz) for the CPU and disable USB 3.0 as discussed at http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2537-12-5-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge-43.html#post79848 . Can insert the code below into the 2570P-PM.bat further down in this post to do this using Setup 1.x pre-boot software instead:

 

 

 

 

echo Disabling 2570P's USB 3.0 . . .
pt MEM write 1 0xFED1F41B 0x1F

 



* replace a HDD with a power efficient SSD like a Samsung 840 Pro. HP rate their SSD models as providing 15% better battery life than HDD ones. Implemented by Tech Inferno Fan here using a Dell Samsung SM841, a rebadged Samsung 840 Pro.

* apply cooling system mods to decrease fan engagement

With the all above implemented except the last three I track to precisely 6hrs of battery life as measured with batterybar during wifi websurfing from a 62Whr 6-cell. Lowest idle power consumption seen at 90% battery life point being 5.4W. That's with a 500GB 7.2k HDD installed. I'd get 0.8W less with one of the efficient SSDs shown here.

 

 

 

INFO: 33% longer 2570P battery life by enabling ASPMs and L0s L1

 


I was disappointed with the 2570P out-of-the-box battery life compared to my previous 2560P. An optimized 2560P can idle at < 5W as shown with a SSD. After all optimizations the best my 2570P can do is 8W idle giving a pathetic 4.5hrs of web surfing battery life.

This falls far short of HP's claim in their 2570P Quickspecs that they get average 8.02W power consumption with Windows 7/64 and up to 9 hours and 15 minutes of total battery life with a 6-cell. The relevant snippet is shown in the spoiler. With my 62Wh 6-cell, my 2570P would need to idle at 6.7W to meet that spec. However, the lowest I've been able to get it to idle with the stock bios is at 8W which would give 7 hours and 45 mins of total battery life if sitting idle, doing nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

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So what was the problem? Upon investigation I found the ASPMs and L0s/L1 power saving features weren't enabled. The first can be identified by running powercfg -energy in Win7/8 then reviewing the output HTML file. There will be an entry showing this problem:

 

Platform Power Management Capabilities:PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) Disabled

PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) has been disabled due to a known incompatibility
with the hardware in this computer

 


Doing the fix below corrects this issue. The result being idle power consumption was less than 6W. It even dipped as low as 5.4W. That's the level I observed with a similarly configured Ivy Bridge Dell E6230 I had previously battery optimized.

The fix saw my historic battery life increase from 4.5hrs to 6hrs using a 62Whr 6-cell. An impressive 33% increase in battery life. Not bad :) An initial con was the SD/MMC controller disappears off the pci-e bus (and in Device Manager) about 5mins after switching from AC->DC. However, inserting a SD card into the reader sees it reappear. The same behavior occurring if this tweak is applied or not. Thanks phillofoc for picking that one up.

 

 

 

The fix: enable ASPMs in the ACPI FACP and set L0s L1s in the pci-e configuration

 

 

 

 

  1. Obtain DIY eGPU Setup 1.x software and install it as a disk image. This will require a MBR type Windows install. Check this by reviewing Device Manager->Disk Drivers->[select]->Volumes->populate. Check the Partition Style setting says Master Boot Record (MBR) rather than GPT (EFI). The Setup 1.x disk image will be accessible as the drive V: in Windows after installation.
     
  2. Create a v:\config\2570P-PM.bat file containing
    @echo off
    
    echo Enabling 2570P ASPMs L0s L1 power savings ...
    echo PROs: Reduced power consumption from ~8W to 6W at idle
    echo CONs: none
    
    ::**********************************************************************
    :: FACP: pci-e ASPMs enabled in IARCH_BOOT
    ::
    :: PER http://web.archive.org/web/forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/606100-enable-aspm-t61-running-windows-saving-2w-power-consumption.html#post7902424
    :: FACP address identified using 'r-w everything' software
    :: Note: FACP address is 0xB9CF5000 for bios F.34
    ::       FACP address is 0xB9FFC000 for bios F.40, F.41, F.42 as used below
    ::**********************************************************************
    
    :: Change FACP IARCH_BOOT ASPMs on bit 4: 0x13 -> 0x3
    pt MEM write 1 0xB9FFC06D 0x3
    
    :: Now add 0x10 to checksum correct 0x10 deducted above to a unused byte
    pt MEM write 1 0xB9FFC019 0x10
    
    ::**********************************************************************
    :: Enable ASPM L0s L1 power management
    :: Per http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/ASPM
    ::**********************************************************************
    
    :: The expresscard slot (0x0->0x3)
    setpci -s 0:1c.1 50.b=0x3
    
    :: The SD/MMC controller: 50.b (0x42->0x43), 90.b (0x42->0x43)
    :: Note: these devices disappear of PCIe bus when IARCH_BOOT ASPMs are
    
    :: enabled. It makes no difference if change below to 0x40 (ASPMs off)
    
    setpci -s 0:1c.2 50.b=0x43
    setpci -s 23:0.0 90.b=0x43
    setpci -s 23:0.2 90.b=0x43
    
    :: The wifi card: 50.b (0x40->0x43), f0.b (0x40->0x43)
    
    setpci -s 0:1c.3 50.b=0x43
    setpci -s 24:0.0 f0.b=0x43

     
  3. Set the contents of v:\config\startup.bat to be
    call 2570P-PM
    call chainload mbr

     
  4. Boot the system via DIY eGPU Setup 1.x. At the Windows bootmenu select "DIY eGPU Setup 1.x". At the DIY eGPU Setup 1.x menu, select "automated startup via startup.bat". That will take you back to the Windows bootmenu but in this second iteration it has the altered pci-e/FACP configuration. So then select Windows there to boot your OS.

    It's possible to eliminate this looping and boot into Setup 1.x directly where it does the ASPMs fixups and then chainload to Win7/8. That gives a fully Win7/8 boot requiring no user intervention. Do that by:

    i. Boot into Setup 1.x and change Chainloader->mbr to be either Chainloader->bootmgr or Chainloader->mbr2

    ii. Remove the Setup 1.x bootitem from bootmgr bootmenu with c:eGPUuninstall-disk-image iii. Download BootICE v1.30 or newer iv. Configure the options as shown here

    Reboot and you'll see that Setup 1.x will now always be the default boot option. As you disk image is still configured to use 'chainload bootmgr' (or chainload mbr2 in most recent builds) wit no additional Win7/8 bootmenu items, when you boot into Setup 1.x and selected "automated startup via startup.bat" it will boot straight into Win7/8.

    Emergency Recovery or restoring original MBR: if you want to restore the original Win7/8 MBR then can either do it in BootICE (set HDD Windows NT 6 MBR) or boot a Win7/8 CD/USB stick and run 'bootsect /nt60 SYS /mbr' .
     
  5. Disable ASPMs per device if there is a problem enabling it system wide

    As described at Active State Power Management in Windows Vista

    Disabling ASPM The driver developer must place the following entry in the device driver’s INF file:
    [DDInstall.HW]
    Include=machine.inf
    Needs=PciASPMOptOut


    Enabling ASPM on Pre-1.1 Devices The driver developer must place the following entry in the device driver’s INF file:
    [DDInstall.HW]
    Include=machine.inf
    Needs=PciASPMOptIn

     
  6. Log a case with HP to fix this in their bios. That would eliminate all the steps above. Likely ALL their Ivy Bridge Elitebooks and Probooks are affected. You could otherwise seek a refund based on misleading advertising in their 2570P Quickspecs. With their unoptimized stock bios there is no way this system can achieve the battery life and power consumption levels they've given in their Quickspecs.

 


REF - Enable ASPM in T61 running Windows for saving ~2W of power consumption - ASPM - Linux Wireless

 

 

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I bought this laptop a few month's back on Nando's recommendation and it's been great. A little sad about the WWAN whitelist but I'll live. I just upgraded to the F.40 bios and my memory WEI went from 7.5 to 7.6. HP did list "Optimized memory settings to improve reliability of the memory system" as an improvement. Now to get Setup 1.x and reduce my battery power consumption...

Nando, if you're keeping an eye on this, would you recommend a GTX 660 Ti as an eGPU for this laptop? I plan on using the internal screen only. Thanks!

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I might be able to do something about the whitelist if you're interested.

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I bought this laptop a few month's back on Nando's recommendation and it's been great. A little sad about the WWAN whitelist but I'll live. I just upgraded to the F.40 bios and my memory WEI went from 7.5 to 7.6. HP did list "Optimized memory settings to improve reliability of the memory system" as an improvement. Now to get Setup 1.x and reduce my battery power consumption...

Nando, if you're keeping an eye on this, would you recommend a GTX 660 Ti as an eGPU for this laptop? I plan on using the internal screen only. Thanks!

Yes. GTX660Ti is what I'm using and it's definitely worth the small price premium over a GTX660 for considerably better performance. Not sure why NVidia has 660 in both their names. a GTX660Ti has far more in common with a GTX670. If cash strapped then a s/h GTX560Ti gives great bang-per-buck while still also only needing a modest PSU (12/18W). You could run either from a modded 203W xbox360 PSU if need a more portable eGPU solution.

Yes, wish HP would fix the ASPMs L0/L1 battery life issue in the bios rather than needing Setup 1.x. I can't see how else it would be possible for a 2570P to meet the battery life claims in the HP 2570P Quickspecs.

Thanks for the heads up on F.40. I'll need to give it a try.

I might be able to do something about the whitelist if you're interested.

Am interested, but be aware HP have RSA encrypted their last three gens of bios (2540P, 2560P, 2570P). Unless you have a solution around that any mods are going to potentially brick the system or at the very least prevent bootup.

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Has anyone on this forum installed an internal blu-ray writter on the HP 2570p?

do you have a part number for a good one that will fit in dvd bay?

thanks

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Has anyone on this forum installed an internal blu-ray writter on the HP 2570p?

do you have a part number for a good one that will fit in dvd bay?

thanks

2570P uses a standard 9.5mm tall SATA optical drive. Just transplant the faceplate to get a perfect look from your new BD-ROM drive. Here's an example of one that will fit: US$74-shipped 9.5mm Blu-ray DVDRW Combo UJ152 BD ROM Drive UJ-152

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Hi, I am new on this forum. I've just bought 2570p. Has anyone managed to overclock the CPU or GPU with tool provided in the first post? And I have 4GB of 1600 MHz RAM and one free slot. Do you recommend to buy a second one in order to create a Dual Channel connection?

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Hi, I am new on this forum. I've just bought 2570p. Has anyone managed to overclock the CPU or GPU with tool provided in the first post? And I have 4GB of 1600 MHz RAM and one free slot. Do you recommend to buy a second one in order to create a Dual Channel connection?

I haven't played around with unlocking the bios to allow BCLK and/or multiplier unlock overclock of a CPU. Owners of a 2570P can luckily swap out the CPU for a higher performance one. A i7-3720QM being a good quad-core candidate if wanting to experiment with unlocking the bios to allow access to it's extra 4 multipliers above it's 3.6Ghz turbo speed (up to 4.0Ghz).

Yes, do recommend purchasing a second 4GB 1600Mhz RAM module to get a dual-channel memory configuration. Your HD4000 iGPU performance will noticably improve.

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I bought this laptop yesterday But does not support samsung msata 120gb

Perhaps Other products recognize it?

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I bought this laptop yesterday But does not support samsung msata 120gb

Perhaps Other products recognize it?

2570P doesn't support mSATA. Hacking in support is quite a challenge

I looked at the mSATA slot and noticed there are tracks that lead to the SATA pins (23, 25, 31, 33) but they aren't attached. Bridging those tracks would give an electrical link. Though that's not the end of the problem. The greater issue is getting a BIOS that has enabled the SATA controller that attaches to those electrical lines AND can make use of it. AFAIK only the 8470W/8570W has a mSATA friendly bios but doesn't provide boot support. Rather, mSATA on those systems acts as cache to an auxilery HDD.

If anybody wants to try to bridge the electrical links and then flash the 8470W/8570W, would need to boot using ALT+[left arrow]+[right arrow] (to disable the flash descriptor) grab a dump of the 8470W/8570W bios using the ME 8.x firmware utilities' fptw64.exe and then do the same on the 2570P using the same fptw64.exe. REF: http://forum.techinferno.com/general-notebook-discussions/2091-lets-enable-overclocking-all-6-7-series-laptops.html for download links to ME 8.x tools (Series-7).

The easier route to pursue if adding a SSD to a HDD-equipped system is to swap in a optical caddy to host a 2.5" 9.5mm drive in place of the optical drive. REF: http://forum.techinferno.com/desktop-storage/2108-diy-adding-ssd-hdd-storage-using-optical-bay-caddy-%5Bver-2-0%5D.html#post27092

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Hi, I am new on this forum. I've just bought 2570p. Has anyone managed to overclock the CPU or GPU with tool provided in the first post? And I have 4GB of 1600 MHz RAM and one free slot. Do you recommend to buy a second one in order to create a Dual Channel connection?

If you're still looking for ram, I bought these a while back:

ADATA XPG Gaming Series Model AXDS1600GC4G9-2 Laptop Memory - Newegg.com

I got it because it's low voltage and low latency memory; I dropped my old 4gb stick into another machine. WEI is currently at 7.6 for memory and 6.5 for both graphics. I know it's not the best way to compare systems, but it's quick and everyone can do it.

I would caution against overclocking the CPU or GPU, go with Nando's recommendation of a quad core or eGPU. While running KSP I have seen temps in the high 90's. I put arctic silver on the CPU which dropped max temps by about 5 degrees. Not sure what CPU you have now, but I have a i5-3360 and it's plenty fast

If you go with the quad core, please report back how well it works for you!

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Thank you both. I bought this RAM and ot works very well. I've got 8 gb in two sticks. Performance boost for the iGPU is really huge and on some games can easily exceed 30%, like in Dead Space, where I see the biggest boost of about 50%!

My CPU is 3210m. First, I'm planning to build eGPU, then I'll think about i7 QM (maybe 35W version is a way to go).

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Is anyone else having bluetooth reception issues? If I move my hand to use the trackpad, my BT headset will cut out. This happens with two different headsets, and they worked fine with my old Acer laptop. I'm thinking that it might be due to the metal case but not sure. Thanks!

Edit: I went to the HP driver page for the laptop and selected the bluetooth link. If you click on revision history, there's two newer versions of the BT software, October 2012 and April 2013. I'm running the October version and it has improved the function of the bluetooth module greatly!

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Hi all,

I have the opportunity to obtain an 2570p and have already gained some helpful information from the Owner's Lounge.

The system will have an i5 CPU, type not known yet. My main concern is whether it will be possible to upgrade gaming capability to play games that rely more on GPU. I see two options that I would both like to implement:

* use two ram modules for dual channel

* mount i5 Haswell CPU as soon as they're out

What do you think, will swaping the CPU even be an option or would all that just be putting lipstick on a pig?

Robert

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Hi all,

I have the opportunity to obtain an 2570p and have already gained some helpful information from the Owner's Lounge.

The system will have an i5 CPU, type not known yet. My main concern is whether it will be possible to upgrade gaming capability to play games that rely more on GPU. I see two options that I would both like to implement:

* use two ram modules for dual channel

* mount i5 Haswell CPU as soon as they're out

What do you think, will swaping the CPU even be an option or would all that just be putting lipstick on a pig?

Robert

Ivy Bridge chipset is not compatible with Haswell, therefore CPU upgrade to Haswell won't work.

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Ivy Bridge chipset is not compatible with Haswell, therefore CPU upgrade to Haswell won't work.

Thanks for the fast reply! That drastically limits the possibilities with this system.

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Thanks for the fast reply! That drastically limits the possibilities with this system.

Not so quick. A 2570P can accomodate a 45W i7-quad Ivy Bridge CPU and can have an eGPU like a GTX660Ti attached via the expresscard slot. With it's RAID-0 capability, the combo makes it the most powerful system available for a relatively low outlay if purchased on ebay ('as new', or smart-buy 1yr warranty variant).

Furthermore, I've had a chance to test Haswell i7-quad CPUs finding they run hot with little performance benefit over comparable Ivy Bridge i7-quad CPUs. See http://forum.techinferno.com/throttlestop-realtemp-discussion/6958-haswell-step-backwards-ivy-bridge-i-have-some-shocking-tdp-results.html .

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Hi All,

I recently purchased a 2570p and absolutely love the little beast. Build quality, upgradeability and performance are very impressive!

A couple of questions:

1) Has anyone tried upgrading their machines to a 45W quad? Asking because I doubt the cooling system would let it run @ max load for more than a few min before overheating. My 3360M gets to 87C in Prime95 after about 10min (repasted with a mediocre quality paste) @ room 25C. We need to do some serious cooling overhaul to be able to bump the wattage by 25-30%.

2) Any good news on screen upgrades? I know the IPS from lenovo can work but it doesn't seem to fit the lid properly. Maybe it's still possible to mod the lid somehow? Also, anyone tried that 1080p panel from XPS 12 convertible? Seems like a nice option if it works.

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Hi Aikimox, I can answer both of your questions :) I've tried to upgrade the CPU and LCD screen with an user bjorm. And we wrote a topic on our Polish forum nhl.pl. Here is the link: http://www.nhl.pl/index.php?showtopic=67159&st=0&start=0, and here bjorm tried a more complicated way of upgrading the screen in 2560p: http://www.nhl.pl/index.php?showtopic=67439&pid=680789&st=0entry680789. In short:

1) switching CPU to Sandy Bridge i7-2630qm gave us some nice performance gain, and the temps were not bad. Totally idle after booting up the system were smaller than 40 degrees. Maximum temp was 85 after the 3dmark06 test, which is very CPU-demanding. In Crysis 3, combined with eGPU gtx660 OC, CPU never reached 80 degrees. Of course, using iGPU only in 3dm11 or some Prime95 benchmarks may get the CPU to higher values, maybe over 95 degrees.

BUT switching to Sandy CPU f*cked up my motherboard! I don't know, maybe it was faulty.I needed to use my awesome warranty. I think that using i7 Ivy CPU should cause no problems. So, I rather don't recommend Sandy CPU for 2570p.

2) We failed to switch LCD to x220 IPS. It has got the incompatible wiring and screws placed somewhere else. You may find a way to make it more compatible, but we failed for sure.

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@jot23,

Wow, 85C in 3DMark06 is quite ok! I might give it a shot then. Worst case, will do a cooling overhaul. You can slap 3-6mm of copper on the heatsink and if needed, land another fan instead of the DVDrom (but I'd rather have a second HDD there).

Also need to get my hands on a x220 IPS.....

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@jot23,

Wow, 85C in 3DMark06 is quite ok! I might give it a shot then. Worst case, will do a cooling overhaul. You can slap 3-6mm of copper on the heatsink and if needed, land another fan instead of the DVDrom (but I'd rather have a second HDD there).

Also need to get my hands on a x220 IPS.....

Welcome aboard. If I'm not mistaken you may have owned some earlier 25x0P systems. I've now had a 2510P, 2530P, 2560P and 2570P. Awesome unrepresented boxes.

I see to you are looking to performance enhance this system. Consider these upgrades:

* 45W i7-quad: user SimoxTav on another forum did a i7-quad upgrade on a 2560P and kept temps < 90 degrees. Key was using a better TIM. There have been 2570P units on ebay-US selling with low end 45W i7-3610QM CPUs. No one has yet confirmed a 45W i7-quad upgrade in this thread.

* RAID-0: yes, our bios allows RAID-0 between the primary HDD and a second one in ODD caddy. Meaning 2x256GB SATA-III SSDs would get > 1GB/s sequential reads. A 2560P has had this feature locked out.

* backlit keyboard. See what comes of Bjorm's attempt of a 2170P backlit keyboard transplant at http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2090-hp-elitebook-2560p-owners-lounge-%5Bversion-2-0%5D.html#post52708.

* IPS or FHD LCD: IPS like found in a X230 has so far failed to fit within the 2560P LCD cover. See bjorm's attempt at http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2090-hp-elitebook-2560p-owners-lounge-%5Bversion-2-0%5D.html#post52782 . No reports of fitting FHD 12.5" from a Dell XPS 12.

* mSATA SSD - the WWAN slot hastracks off them (pin 23,25,31,33) but the final build didn't bridge the little tracks. Soldering 0ohm SMT resistors would do the trick with 5mins of effort. So the port could be electrically connected then but is it to a Southbridge pci-e port or mSATA. If it's mSATA then is the BIOS doesn't enable that SATA port. Would it enable it if it detected a mSATA SSD in there? Or would it need something like a 8470P/W BIOS flashed to the 2570P OR hacking the flash descriptor to enable that port.

It's possible to get a bios dump from those systems using the fptw64 tool and then flash it on a 2570P using the same tool. Would be handy to have a SPI flash programmer handy in case it the process goes pear shaped. REF: http://forum.techinferno.com/general-notebook-discussions/2091-lets-enable-overclocking-all-6-7-series-laptops-5.html for fptw64 as part of ME 8.x utilities.

SIV64 reports the following in 2570P system config as shown in the attachment:

port0 = primary HDD bay

port1 = upgrade bay

port2 = mSATA

port3 = Docking Station eSATA

port4 = eSATA

port5 = Docking Station upgrade bay

However, the only ports that are enabled are: port0, port1, port4 and port5.

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