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TheReciver I guess I've deserved that last answer my own for your previous one was a bit too passive aggressive shouldn't have wrote it after few beers. But I really didn't mean to insult You, again about unlocked bios - fptw64 dost want to work under WIN 8.1 and installing windows 7 would take a lot of fuss (I'd had to download it install it get all the drivers etc) especially that it allegedly don't work with Geralds adapter (that remain to be check thou because it might work after all since windows 8 works) so it was much faster and easier to ask someone for his already unlocked one - its not a short cutting just common sense. I'm fully aware You don't care about that laptop mobility - its juts that I and I think most of people plying with eGPUs do. That's the reason eGPUs were devised in the first place, to enhance laptop capabilities not to turn them into desktop PCs. Your project is quite interesting from scientific point of view and I would like to see how it will turn out to look in the end but what You have in mind is very specific application. My opinions and my views are just "my own" and I wouldn't even bother with stating them in length if You wouldn't insist that I don't get your idea - it took me around 2 posts to get it but at this point you already started to be angry " I dont know what it is with you but I have provided context to my plan like 2-3 times now and every time you miss certain pieces along the way" etc. I think You take this whole thing much to seriously but as everything else its Your choice. I would prefer to "work" alongside your project development as Your help, thou a bit "bitter", was quite valuable but as we clearly have problems with communication without unnecessary stress all I can do Is wish you best of luck with your endeavour - ill try to find it when it will be completed but I wont say a word about it

TheReciver you are creating a problem when non exist - I didn't have a problem whit your intentions until you started to answer like a jerk - You remember when I asked you for unlocked bios and you 3 or 4 times directed me to bios download files even when I clearly stated that I cant use bios backup program - and it didn't have anything to do with me editing posts as I've asked you directly about already unlocked one and you assumed I don't know what I'm doing? That got old really fast but I didn't start to behave like an offended 5 year old. English is not my native language either so sometimes I have problems with understanding some concepts right away but you clearly don't want to understand that other people have different views. From practical point of view making y510p in weaker more problematic PC don't have much useful application - people were making such builds at least from time of Pentium 2 CPUs (at least I remember such attempts from that time) probably earlier, and it was always "for fun and knowledge" as you are loosing both PC and laptop virtues but keep vices of both of them (no mobility, high price, complicated build etc) and most users just want to get best part of those worlds. Although I support your approach as I'm as curious as You are how it will come out I tend to accept more practical direction and dismantling laptop screen and making it another stationary monitor don't fit with that, - but I have never claimed that your idea don't have sense, its just not very practical. We can be hostile towards each other or we can work together to squeeze as much of that laptop as we can manage - I would prefer the second outcome and I think our misunderstandings might be caused by language and cultural barrier/differences so I would ask You for a bit more forgiving approach to my comments - I really try not be aggressive in my statements but its hard to "feel" that in foreign language. From what we learned so far we know that we can use Gerald adapter with windows 8 and that we can use internal and external displays together - its possible that it was mended in newer AMD drivers or its specific graphic card related, from what I know no one has made extensive tries with this adapter and different AMD cards. I also started to look in to 4930mx OC and maybe I will get some solid results - If someone could provide full NCP81103 VRM integrated circuit datasheet it would help us immensely as without it I cant find out if it is able to withstand larger currents and what elements need to be changed on mobo to get rid of 85A limit from it (thou mosfet replacement would be a must as current high side ones have 85A limit). Thou we have different approach and we have various builds in mind we can definitely benefit from cooperation so if I can ask you that You would try to relax and just assign the things that annoy You in my posts to my language inaptness I would be really grateful.

Babbler I have exactly the same problem with the adapter so I'll try to fit it into additional ultrabay 750/755m chassis. I'm currently looking for broken card but if I can't find it ill use my working one and post the results. TheReciver firstly could you lessen a bit on your causticity ? I don't try to be hostile in my statements so you don't have a reason to be either. Secondly the reason for your setup is purely fun - it has no reasonable application as using mini or micro ITX would done the same job easier and simpler, if You would sell your Y510p also cheaper and with proper parts on parr with it considering electrical efficiency . Most of people who are interested in Gerald eGPU adapter have more practical approach. And about moving laptop from the desk surface - the simplest thing would be to set it below desk - like many people do with custom computers. Setting it in on the wall with additional raisers and external fans will only create more unsightly mess or maybe I totally don't have a proper picture of your placement idea. And pleas don't get me wrong I find your idea interesting, its obviously your choice what to do with your hardware, money and time, and I'm quite interested in what results you achieve, but as you posted your intentions on forum I have a right to discuss it and express My opinion about it. Now about the 4930mx overclocking, I've talked with electronic specialist and he claims (and probably rightly so) that 85A limit is built into VRM surrounding circuit as a safeguard and not soft coded into EC. So to get 4930mx to its full potential we would need a rather hefty hardware mode including exchanging mosfets and meddling with VRM. Right now I need fully working motherboard to test limits of 4930mx oc on 85A although from what he says going up to 95A allows using around 100w by CPU so those 10amps less should still be able to give us more than 3800mhz with 57w TP. Ill try to fiddle with hardware mode later on after Ill check what I can get with normal hardware configuration.

Hi Babbler I've bought modular fanless XFX XTS, coupled with Radon Fury X fan, it fits quite well behind my 27" monitor. Unfortunately I think there is small chance that someone will find a method to send signal from eGPU to the laptop screen my wild guess is it should be possible with bios and drivers modding but there's not enough demand for that so no one's digging, its the same situation as with Nvidia Cards - it should be possible to unlock them as Lenovo showed with newer bioses (which have AMD cards also blocked) that its software not hardware block but I guess its too much work for such small demand. So for now we are condemned to using external monitors only. But if we could build up solid community around this eGPU and collect enough money then we would probably be able to find someone advanced enough to help us with those problems. Unfortunately Gerlad makes those adapters just as a side job or even for fun and he neither plan to expand production nor want to improve them so its not very likely. The Reciver with all due respect that idea don't make much sense - its better to buy graphic card with multi monitor support and add smaller cheap used screen - when you disassemble laptop like that you lose all mobility and it would be much more convenient to buy small desktop on Mini or Nano ITX, probably it would be cheaper also. Actually even Your external fan mode is close to loosing all advantage of eGPU coupled laptop and that's why I didn't "got" the idea right away when you mentioned it. For me Gerald adapter is great because it allows me to have a cheap, small, light, efficient laptop that I can carry when needed, with very powerful graphic card for playing at home and all of it quite close to price of comparable Mini ITX desktop.

I guess it comes down to cultural differences, In Poland we still mostly live in real word (except the youngest part of population =/<20 years old) and virtual one is just an addition so people here tend not to care too much about their credibility online

I don't have high res camera that's for start, and I don't have full trust in "internet" knowledge - I'm old school in that matter and I prefer "face to face" consultations . I'll ask around on polish NHL forum. There are some people I know who work in laptop repair business.

I really doubt that posting pictures will help us I think it would be better if someone with proper knowledge look at it - I'm currently looking through y510p schematics but its mostly black magic for me. I think VRM is built around NCP81103 but that's about all I can decipher.

Firstly I would contact electronic engineer and ask him about estimation of power section durability. Ill try my local laptop repairman but ill doubt he will be able deduce that. If I recall correctly You are studying on some technical academy so maybe you could find someone who would try it ? If there will be enough overhead for some serious OC, at lest 400-500mhz than we can try to track down someone for EC unlocking.

Well that depends on what You mean by "substantial" ;). And the sense of such expenditure would hang on defining theoretical VRM and whole power section durability, if we could lets say go up to 80W of power for cpu (4.2-4.4ghz) without burning it out then we could think about money spending. I've already spent over a 1000$ on this "toy" so adding some extra bucks ain't that big of a deal.

Ghoul did you read what I wrote besides the part about throttlestop ? I'm well aware of EDP current limit - but from what I could see during my tries with 4930mx at 3.8ghz, CPU was throttled by TDP not EDP so there just might be a bit more overhead in EC limit, maybe enough to get to 4ghz under gaming load maybe not. As to VRM locking its definitely not a good thing - we can easily modify cooling for it but if EC doesn't allow changing current values then we are out of luck. Maybe we could find someone who could unlock it in EC for us?

TheReciver as I mentioned earlier I could falsify TDP CPU indication on my current mobo with powercut option from throttlestop and with addition of manually setting VCCIN around 2 volts but basing on the experience with this mobo I think that EDP Current limit is either set by EC or hard-coded into voltage controller and right around the corner - maybe well reach 4ghz stable on around 60 watts. I should be able to exchange new motherboard for proper one (if they have them) in a day or two and maybe ill check the previous one tomorrow so we'll see.

Klem well be thankful for your help - even if we wont be able to overclock cpu that way there is still quite a few interesting things in there And as I'm definitely not very advanced in y510p meddling its possible that someone else will get better results than I did (up until last month I was MSI boy mostly). TheReciver with both 3.05 stock and 3.05 unlocked I've got stuck on post with incompatible VGA card message

Well do TheReciver I tried to use unlocked 3.05 just to overclock 4930mx but it didn't work - only thing I manage to do was totally bricking the bios and now I have problem with mobo replacement unfortunately bios for y510p don't have this option that allows to falsify cpu power indication that MSI 4 gen does.

We both use 2.07 because Lenvo blocked use of Radeon cards in later versions just like all Nvida cards except 750/755m were blocked from the start.

The Reciver its possible that well be able to overclock mx cpus in y510p just with powercut option from Throttlestop iv manage to get it going on my current mobo but I cant properly test it as its limited by edp current not TDP. Btw You have mentioned that you plan to use bigger fan but I didn't know its for the outside I wonder how your setup will look after all additions seems to be a real franken mode. I use external picture hosting site for my files as I loath those 2mb limits

To be frank without additional fan that would blow air into the chassis all You did wit those extra radiators was enlarge heat capacity of cooling system which in turn will make cooling it under sustained load harder, but joining the heatpipes should be enough to keep temperatures in check for normal cpu, for unlocked ones we will definitely need modded fan. In my system I clamped heatpipes together and added Themal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal compound between them to improve heat flow (I've used Gelid GC Extreem as a sealant). Pleas post TSbench results and temperatures.

Well generally you are right shouldn't be that much of a bother. I'll probably buy this M.2 extension adapter and try to find a better place for full fledged 2280 drive but firstly I have to get proper mobo because there's no sense to concoct anything with current one. But at least it works with eGPU adapter - as it seems there is no need to set bios in backflash mode and you can flash 2.07 right on 3.08 so I didn't have to get into bios at all.

Ok, now I start to understand but I'm not sure if You will be able to fit adapter and mSATA disk in place of M.2 2242 SSD in y510p chassis. If you manage to do that pleas throw in a picture. I've just checked and all small form m.2 - 2242 I've seen are also SATA ones so no speed gain vs mSATA disks although I think I will be able to squeeze 2260 in there.

I'm afraid you are right about dual core or 4702mq configuration - as a current limit on this mobo is so low I cant get more then 3200 mhz x4 cores and I get EDP current limit at about 36-37 W - in other words this mobo is a crap. I thought about LVDS incompatibility but mobo seller assures its for FHD variant - I guess they might be wrong. I'm going to send it back and get a refund but still I need to get proper one and its not easy in Poland. About your "concept" You want to plug mSATA disk into M.2 slot with adapter but what for? You have adapters that can extend m.2 slot outside the laptop or allow for better placement inside the chassis http://www.dx.com/p/m-2-ngff-to-42mm-m-2-ngff-64g-128g-256g-m-2ngff-ssd-adapter-card-432139#.WPMqi2ekKUk. so why would you like to use slower mSATA one when now they are in very similar prices (unless they are much cheaper at your location) ? And if you would like to create Raid matrix with main SATA SSD you already have easily usable mSATA port in DVD bay. Besides is it even possible to make RAID matrix in y510p ?

Guess I really don't have much luck with y510p "new" mainboard I've bought works almost ok but... doesn't give picture to laptop screen - I can use external monitor with HDMI but I cant get into bios that way so its useless for eGPU. So I'm back to square one.

Well we totally did not understand each oth ererlier: NGFF=M.2., mSATA is mSATA and SATA is SATA. So from what I can understand you want to buy adapter from m.2 port to SATA or mSATA drive which don't have much sense as you already got one such port in dvd bay which you can easily use with proper cable and maybe with small adapter and a bit of tinkering even without a cable ;p. Or I'm still don't understand whole idea with NGFF to mSATA adapter - could you explain clearly what do you intend it for ? Anyway here are photos about what I have mentioned erlier: Pictures 1 and 2 are from previous mobo with 750m - no m.2 connector and better power section, 3 phases with 3 coils and total 6 mosfets 1: 2: Pictures 3 and 4 are from new one with 755m and m.2 connector but weaker power section, only 2phases with 2 coils and 4 mosfets 3: 4: What is strange there is only one capacitor on both of them and there should be three as they are very important for proper current stability. Someone definitely overdid with cost cutting.

Dont play much multiplayer games but from what I've read Warhammer Total War "likes" NVme disks :). About that mSATA you totally lost me as there is only one such connector on the mainboard right beside ultrabay one (for dvd module). You have also normal sata connector for HDD and mPCIE for wifi card and of course m.2 port. Could you clarify that for me ?

Maybe If I would want to left adapter as it is then I could squeeze msata to ngff adapter also but its very risky - one careless move and the eGPU adapter pops out which may lead to short circuit in graphic card - I plan to built Gerald adapter in to housing of normal ultrabay graphic card and am currently looking for a broken one - if I cant get it I'll use my working one. Although using cables to move the connector out of the laptop is interesting idea that hasn't occurred to me and might be compatible with the housing project. As I mentioned In my previous post asking about NVme wasn't motivated by willingness to buy one but by compatibility and possible future utilization - as it is the fun with y510p have cost me (memory upgrade including) around as much as I earn in two months time so I'm not too eager to spend more. Still I like a throughput of PCIE m.2 ssd and I probably buy one next month ;). I was enthusiast of modular laptops for quite a few years - started with Compal fl92 the Asus g73jh and so on but prices and availability of components are getting bit ridiculous - in Poland1060 laptop costs more than 1080 desktop used 4930mx 30% less than new 6700k so I've decided its time for a hybrid solution. And I think that next pc I'll have will probably be desktop if laptop manufacturers wont reconsider their price strategy.

Well I'll try to get some solid data on NVme usage although it can take a while Maybe it currently don't have much impact on consumer market but for professional use it can be quite useful - at least that's what I've heard from people dabbling in such things. I'm not one of them so I base my views on their experience. As y510p obviously wont have that (I sometimes forget about the age of this laptop) that's purely academical issue, but my question was motivated by possible incompatibility between implemented standards - from what I can recall at lest some if not most of NVme disks wont run on AHCI PCIe only mainboards and vice versa so I need to take that under consideration when buying one, it doesn't mean that I dream about buying NVme ssd but I've already seen quite a few times how consumer market gain on technology. From what I've seen m.2 can be very useful in y510p as I can get 256gb disk for about 100$ and set a system + some games on it and use sata connector for large HDD as a file repository Btw I'm grateful for informations regarding M.2 and 2133 ddr3 in y510p About your last statement I don't really get it - PC Game market was quite resilient ad much more developmental and innovative before it merged with console game market but Ill agree its not relevant to our current discussion. And could You explain what for You want to use NGFF to mSATA adapter ? Because if its for DVD/ultrabay then I don't think it would fit with eGPU adapter from Gerald.

Well mate two things. From what I know and I have few friends who work in 3d modelling and live video processing NVme can be utilise quite well although far from its full capacity, just like full PCIE3 x16 throughput - which practically is never fully used and yet they are working on and will soon be bringing to market PCIE4 standard. I vaguely recall Bill Gates statement about computers never needing more than 640k of ram Secondly your knowledge of m.2 working is far from complete. Currently you have 4 types of m.2 SSD disks on the market - old SATA only which don't use PCIE lanes at all and work in SATA legacy mode only through SATA bus connector in M.2 - most of newer SATA ones which are hybrid legacy SATA/PCIE AHCI and mainboard manufacturers choose which mode will be implemented on integrated m.2 connector, PCIE SSD which don't have SATA lane at all but use PCIE through AHCI controller and PCIE which use NVme controller. I think you mixed Legacy SATA and Legacy EIDE. About 2133 ddrs, that's good news I couldn't find any solid information about them in y510p (just like I couldn't find much about 4930mx overclocking) so another 100$ or so will be "well spent" By the way games would probably already use full potential of PCIE3 and NVme if not for limiting influence of home video game consoles which served as a technical clamp for at least fifteen years.