Xonar

The decision is final:

Poll: Do you wish for the ban placed on Tech Inferno Fan to be reversed?

@Ivar

I have deleted one of your posts (You say essentially the same thing in both).

Back to introductions with this thread.

Just curious what everyone else is gaming with:

What mouse do you use?

What DPI?

Any special mouse pad or surface?

Comments / recommendations?

I'll start first:

Mouse: Logitech G500

DPI: 3,000

Mousepad: cheapest Steelseries mousepad (got it for $5)

Comments: Previously I've used: Razer Diamondback, Logitech MX516 and MX518. The G500 is simply too big and slippery versus the MX516/8 that I've used for so long. I like the additional weights you can add the mouse though. The wire tubes are threaded as well, which looks nice, but in practicality the thread easily tears.

I think you just need B2K.

Ah cool, I'll have to check it out. I'm not too keen on SC2 CGs; only really played squadron TD (Legion TD for WC3). I did map edit for WC3 though, which by the way had the best CG collection ever. I'll gladly talk about CGs and map edit.

Anyways, let's take it to another thread or PM?

I used to play SC2. Got up to top25 platinum 1v1 but then I lost interest in the game. What about you?

Welcome Sgogeta4!

You're a very familiar and helpful face I've seen over at NBR. If you haven't combed through the entire thread, these two posts are a TL;DR of what T|I is: http://forum.techinferno.com/off-topic/1834-introduce-yourself.html#post23044 and http://forum.techinferno.com/off-topic/1834-introduce-yourself.html#post23132

I think you'll find T|I a great place because of the lax environment. We don't have a hidden agenda; what you see in the forum rules is what the mod team enforces. Nothing more.

Sick phone and I think you've found the best thread. I believe @Brian is also finishing up med school.

I'd say no, it's not recommended for this specific notebook. Most other notebooks I would say yes. This one draws air from the keyboard so a cooler from the bottom will do little. I have personally tested this.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk

Ah, well you said you were bullied for several months so I figured this was starting to become a serious problem for you. I understand now, it's just with that one mod.

By posting the link to your first post you will probably have no chance at being unbanned because you have a picture with a PM, which is against their rules. It's a shame because the PM tells half the story, but that's why I've held off on posting this link, FYI. (I'm pretty sure I'd get banned too)

Thank you for the permissions update. All systems are a go on TI if that's the way the cookie crumbles.

You've got some bravery to want to keep your stuff there if they unban you. Who's to say they won't snap again and harass you?

Either way, best of luck to you. Hope this unnecessary mess can get sorted through quickly.

Nando - like I said before, law is not my field of expertise, so I don't want to provide you with any misinformation. All I can do is state opinions at this point.

The best way I think of it is like this:

NBR is not a true public community. They are business entity. When you go on NBR and you post something, you are not posting because you have an inalienable right to post on NBR, but rather, you are posting because NBR gives your the privilege to have a discussion on their property (after all, they are paying for the servers). NBR doesn't owe you anything, nor do they have to care about your right of free speech because you are using their property and services.

It's unfortunate that this is the way I see NBR now, but reality is harsh. I used to think it was a company with a soul that wanted to give techies a place for discussion. Nah, they're just a business looking to turn a profit every month.

It's not easy for someone to say this after being a member since 2006. . .

For the screen:

17.3" CCFL Glossy 16:9 1080p (1920x1080)

HannStar HSD173PUW1

What kind of tasks will you being doing with the notebook? You won't see any tangible gains with a hexcore if all you're going to be doing is gaming.

I'm not sure if memory serves correctly, but, I think the x7200 GPU's are barely upgradable. I think Clevo had two different versions of their cards (485m) with one of the versions having a 'special vBIOS' for the X7200. I'd definitely research into that before making your purchase.

@mw86

Thanks for the story and welcome Marc! In the short time I've been here, I've learned a great deal about the beginnings of T|I and honestly, all I can say is: I wish I was here since day 1.

@Tech Inferno Fan

Hi nando. Nice to see you around here. Unfortunately, your situation is incredibly disgusting. It is part of the reason I have transferred my material to this site. I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability.

So first questiom:

1. Is TI impartial? Can we discuss anything on here and not be threatened by mods as I endured at NBR?

2. Would moving such content here be welcomed? We are talking the links in my previous NBR sig as shown below:

12.5" HP 2560P i5-2540M 2.6 8GB 60GB Renice X3.SSD 500GB/DVD HD3000 + [email protected] DIY eGPU

•ODD caddy . •SSDs 1.8" ZIF . mSATA/1.8" . •Overclocking PLL pinmod . setPLL . dual/quad-IDA core 2 bios • Past 13" Dell E4310, E4300 12" 2530P, 2510P

DIY eGPU • Thin-and-light Sandy Bridge iGPU, dGPU and eGPU notebooks

3. What level of cooperation can I expect NBR to give in moving content and deleting it on NBR? Remember, I was forced out of NBR against my will on nonsensical grounds so it's not like it was my choice. Problem is without my own login I can't edit my own content. I do not wish bullies to benefit from my 3+ years of content that generates 140k+ hits per month etc, numerous user registrations, etc so I wish to move, then delete the content.

4. If there was bullying and breach of their own rules on NBR, is there any place watchdog to correct those breaches without needing to resort to legal actions?

Thanks,

Tech Inferno Fan

1. Short answer: Yes, T|I is impartial. Long answer: See Unclewebb's post in this thread. (It's a really good answer, I laughed out loud)

2. Of course! Your hard work and dedication deserves a place for discussion, does it not? FYI - you can also link PayPal account info to take donations if you want to.

3. Absolutely zero cooperation. I'm not kidding. When you registered and ticked that little box that says "I agree to all the terms and conditions of this website. . .", you agreed that ANYTHING you post on NBR becomes property of NBR. Believe it or not, in legal terms, those are not YOUR guides. They are the ownership of NBR.

Anyone remember a Canadian fellow by the name of Les (Tokar)? Many years back he wrote the "SSD Guide" when the first consumer SSDs were hitting the market. He was pretty damn knowledgeable of his stuff and was respected among the community. Well, he was spontaneously perma-banned without a reason. He was cold-shouldered by the admin team at TechTarget when inquiring about why. He also wanted his guide to be taken down, which had 1 mil+ views and endless clicks. No dice, they didn't comply.

4. Can't help you there buddy, that's not my area of expertise.

1. This is great. Originally it appeared NBR was impartial and allowed technical discussion on anything. Not sure if I've got misconceptions, but truly at the start of 2009 their reviews varied across many products and tech discussion was encouraged. Not sure if the GFC has had opportunists come in and infiltrate their ethics. Certainly it seems now $$ talk at the expense of discussion and users.

2. I'll need to move it so can keep in contact with my users. TI seems the perfect place to move it to I see Unclewebb and Mumak is here too

3. As I understand it, I'm the original copyright owner of the material and I'm being denied access to it for false reasons. Legally, NBR would get caned for misrepresentation, violating their own rules and denial of service/access to my own content. Obviously I wish to avoid slow and costly legal to get access to my material. The mod responsible (Zaz) is still now greedily holding on to my content that is generating 140k+ hits on their site per month. There's no way I'll be treated this way with them keeping 3yrs+ of my content.

The Lenovo shill 'Zaz' on NBR = big disappointing bully who happens to be a moderator and can mould public opinion and eradicate any dissent via banning.

I'll see what Mr.Fox comes up with. Cheers.

1. $$ talks, Lenovo and Dell advertise heavily on NBR. Why do you think everytime there's a thread with a complaint from either manufacturer it gets deleted or closed?

2. Let you loyal user base know, bring them over here. It's not like most of the material at NBR is even original. It's all just a hash of reposts by 16-year old kids.

3. Not my expertise, sorry again.

ZaZ is probably the oldest active member of that site and longest mod (maybe Charles has got him beat), but either way, I'm surprised to see such short temper on his part for a known member. It does seem like they are preventing you from voicing a dissenting opinion, which goes against the ideology of a "forum discussion".

@Mr. Fox

If you are going to get involved, please do it via PM.

Hi Frisianbear,

BIOS password, means exactly that; It's a password required to enter the BIOS. If you put the password in correctly, it takes you into the BIOS just like normally. But if you answer it a certain amount of times wrong, then your notebook won't boot past POST (The notebook locks you out of Windows) and you will have to reset the CMOS.

Typically, I try to get BIOS files off manufacturer's websites. In MSI's case though, they don't publicly update their whitebook BIOS, so my next option is to have someone with the notebook extract their current BIOS and upload it. Problem is though, if they set a password on the BIOS, then the password is extracted with the BIOS which can be a problem.

You can use universal BIOS backup tool to extract the CURRENT BIOS you are using. Universal BIOS Backup ToolKit 2.0.zip

For anyone who is requesting a BIOS, please follow these directions:

Make sure all BIOS passwords have been cleared and that all settings within the BIOS are at their default states (i.e. nothing has been altered, even the boot order, etc).

In Universal BIOS Backup, hit 'Read' and after that is done, hit 'Backup'.

Zip up the file and send it over my way.

Nebbors,

I think you'll be happy to know that MSI has implemented a pretty good cooling system. I have done the mod as well, see the attachment below, and I have found that the results of the cooling mod were statistically insignificant; i.e., no conclusion could be drawn between the mod and having any effect on cooling.

If that doesn't make much sense to you, basically in certain environments I've seen my temps drop by 2*C but other times go up by 1*C. In the end, it made a negligible difference. I have also tested this with a NZXT Cyro LX cooler with the fans pointing towards the bottom of the notebook and it made no real difference as well.

The reason for this is because of the cooling system. Unlike conventional notebooks, these MSI G-Series notebooks draw air from the top of the keyboard rather than from the bottom. Notice the lack of a intake vent for the fan. There's only two that blow out. The slits in other places are to give breathing room to the other components. With and without the mod, my SSD and HDD never exceeded 40*C and my RAM never exceeded 45*C.

My 2 cents: If you wanna have some fun and tinker around, do the mod. If you don't want to risk anything, then don't bother. You're not missing out on anything anyways.

No offense, but NOTHING tops mine.

I spent weeks, even months settings everything up to make it look as perfect as it does right now.

My desktop brings all the boys to the yard.

2nd one is blank because of dual monitors.

Anyways, you do have an awesome looking desktop there.

Just like to make a dedicated post about this. I am currently seeking alpha/beta testers for any of the Intel 3rd gen 'Ivy Bridge' MSI G notebooks. If you are interested in giving a hand, please PM me and I'll see what I can do. I have a couple ROMs sitting ready, but no one to test .

Edit: @svl7 has also made an announcement for the forum to get the word out as well.

Just read an interesting article over at Anandtech:

AnandTech - AMD

Apparently, Jarred Walton has been in direct contact with AMD about the issues with Enduro and the Clevo 7970M under-performing.

Finally, AMD did inform us that the current drivers aren’t fully optimized for performance (particularly with the 7970M), so we should hopefully see some gains with the final driver release—or if not then, the next release. Performance with GCN architecture desktop cards has been a little erratic since the launch, up until the latest Catalyst 12.7 drivers. I believe that the current beta drivers I’m using also predate 12.7 in some aspects (though they're version 9.0.0.0), so if that’s the case then the official release should clean things up quite a bit.

Also, in the comments he's thrown around some numbers:

Civ5 performance is low (still), but BF3 at 36FPS on 1080p Ultra settings is hardly something to complain about. Really, HD 7970M is more of a competitor to GTX 580M (should be slightly faster) whereas the 680M is the latest and greatest. For our full set of games (and there will be more in the full review), here's what I've got at our Enthusiast (max) settings and 1080p. (Note that NVIDIA 680M numbers are with older 304 series drivers; I'll be updating to 306 series before final review. The 580M are with even older drivers, but I don't have that system so I can't update to the latest drivers--and there's a real chance the latest drivers could drop performance in some titles on Fermi.)

Batman: Arkham City

7970M: 52

680M: 83

580M: 49

Battlefield 3

7970M: 36.1

680M: 42.7

580M: 33.1

Civilization V

7970M: 26.2

680M: 53.4

580M: 41.7

DiRT 3

7970M: 61.1

680M: 68.3

580M: 43.8

Portal 2

7970M: 115.3

680M: 160.5

580M: 104.8

Skyrim

7970M: 47.2

680M: 64.0

580M: 51.8

Total War: Shogun 2 (900p High, as Very High wouldn't run on 7970M)

7970M: 78.6

680M: 120.9

580M: 90.1

Against GTX 680M, right now it's no contest, but that's not really surprising. Against 580M, though, things are close -- and by close, I mean AMD wins by a fairly large margin in some titles like DiRT 3, loses by a large margin in other titles like Civ5, and it's relatively close in the others.

A couple points of interest about Enduro 5.5:

-Redesigned UI with more power options

-Universal reference drivers

I'm excited about the reference driver support the most. Finally, you can go to amd.com and get those damn drivers!

Latest word on a release with 12.7 or 12.8 drivers.

They're saying something via us, if that helps. They're saying, "We're finally going to start updating the drivers." There were no promises of Enduro drive updates prior to this point, so this is a big step. As for the drivers being poor on release, well, that's hardly a shock for a brand new hardware architecture -- all the more reason to not buy anything without the guarantee of driver updates.

The beta drivers exist so there is still hope. I had a HP dv6tqe with 6770m and AMD's BACON was a piece of shit. I hope AMD can get their act together.

Is there also a custom bios on the way for the MS-16F3 just like the 1 for MS-16F2 and it would be nice if there was a possibillity the play a little with the RAM settings or is that not possible only changing the BLK setting ?

If someone uploads me the 16F3 BIOS without a password I will unlock it for you.

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MS-1762 w/ XMP stuff, Vt-d, etc is finished. Need testers for the MS-1762 barebone. Send me a PM if you are interested. If this is confirmed working, then I will work on GT60 and GT70 notebooks.

Also, 3rd-gen MSI-G with XM CPU can OC via multipliers!

Another point: any GE60 / GE70 people interested?

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FYI -- Thanks guys, appreciate all the good words you put in.

Just as a reminder for next time, if you like my work just hit the 'Thanks button' on the bottom left of the post. Most of these 'thanks posts' will be deleted as it makes finding relevant information about troubleshooting and discussing the BIOS more difficult. Some of you are using it to bump your post counts so that you can reach five posts faster. Warning: this will not be tolerated. Your posts will be deleted and you will be handed an infraction.

P.S.: You also don't have to tell me when you are going to flash the BIOS. Tell me when you do it, I love feedback. You don't have to tell me you're about to do it; that's completely unnecessary. Those posts will be cleaned up as well, especially if you are below the 5 post count. Senior members/Elite members don't worry. This is mostly for the newcomers. Thanks.

Sorry guys, just got internet back. I'll have some free time this weekend.

Yes Svet's will work for Fermi mobile cards.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Unfortunately, I won't have internet until next Wednesday....lazy Comcast workers...

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G

Hi John,

I'm not too keen on virtualization, but I only see VT-d option in the BIOS. I can't find VT-x. Will that be a problem?

Also, it is under the 'Chipset' tab that is not unlocked yet (explained in my previous posts above). Be on the look-out for a new BIOS later this week that will be completely unlocked.

Hey Xonar, i cant seem to find the XMP ram options? Maybe its not supported by my laptop?

Refer to the last quote:

http://forum.techinferno.com/msi/1839-msi-g-series-unlocked-bios-3.html#post25233

Thanks. I see. That hearts.....

Any suggestion on how to OC 2920XM?

Thank you "pau10w

Oh.. that's sad. I though I could do it like in other computers. Why MSI does not release the new bios for MSI MS-16F2??? Is there any way I can over clock my machine????

Thank you

The 16F2 is already EoL, MSI doesn't provide anymore support for it.

Like I said before, OC'ing issues are not MSI's fault. Intel put a bitlocker on Sandy Bridge chips and only XTU can OC them. Caveat, only notebooks with XTU embedded in the BIOS (Alienwares, some Clevos) can take advantage of it.

As you can see, I raised my multiplier limits to 40x, via BIOS. I then set TS to force multipliers at 35x. The result? Stays at 31x regardless. The BCLK is your only option, and that'll add a measly 100mhz.

680M is great. My next target will be getting a 680M on my GT780DX.

Just got a fully working i7-2920XM on ebay for $425 USD

Hope I can get a 680M for about the same price

I'm not sure that the 680M will even work in the GT780. The 16F2 has trouble with it.... perhaps a Dell might work, but Clevo/MSI are no-shows.