J95 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 On ideastorm there is a thread started by BlakeE45 regarding this issue, Dell is reviewing the possibility of adding the card. Please comment and vote!Link:Idea Storm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alienware-L_Porras Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Great Stuff, signed! BTW if you guys have any feedback or any cool ideas make sure you post them on IdeaStorm, we are always reviewing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J95 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 Current status: Under Review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J95 Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 Keep on Voting, after all the 580M throttle issues we don't deserve new ones! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 If some people are willing to test some things I might be able to patch something together... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J95 Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 If some people are willing to test some things I might be able to patch something together...I will test if you're still interested, shipping estimates two weeks(Clevo/Sager)Good work, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaGoneMad Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 svl7, if while you are modifying to get 3D to work you see something that might fix Optimus I will test it. I don't have 3D but would like Optimus to work on the R3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Sure. Quick question... do other Nvidia cards which weren't officially sold with the R3 got optimus working? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaGoneMad Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Sure. Quick question... do other Nvidia cards which weren't officially sold with the R3 got optimus working?I have a 675m now and Optimus works, but of course it is the same as the 580m which was sold with the R3.I am not sure if any Kepler cards work with Optimus in the R3, we might know more in a few months as cards like the 675mx start to release and people with R3's try to upgrade. Right now the 680m is really the only Kepler card that is an upgrade for most people with an R3 so it is the only one I have seen people try.It is totally possible, and perhaps even likely, that the R3 hardware is just not compatible with Kepler and Optimus for whatever reason. I just thought perhaps there is some section of the bios that has all the hardware IDs or something for cards with Optimus and perhaps all that is needed is adding the 680m to that list. The 675m being the same as the 580m might match to an ID but the 680m is totally new and wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I see... but the 675m has a different device ID, so I'm not sure whether it has something to do with the ID. I found something intriguing in the bios which seems to be related to Optimus or the 3d stuff, and I'll look into it, but can't say whether it will make a difference.So far I don't know what is needed to make Optimus running, I would have guessed that it simply depends on the vendor ID, but that doesn't seem the case, else the 680m would work. Unfortunately I don't have access to an Optimus system, else I could try some stuff... would be really interesting to know what it takes to make it worth, might be a GPIO pin which is set in the vbios, did anyone already try a Dell 680m in the M17x R3?Does 3d work in the R3 with a Clevo 580m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaGoneMad Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I see... but the 675m has a different device ID, so I'm not sure whether it has something to do with the ID. I found something intriguing in the bios which seems to be related to Optimus or the 3d stuff, and I'll look into it, but can't say whether it will make a difference.So far I don't know what is needed to make Optimus running, I would have guessed that it simply depends on the vendor ID, but that doesn't seem the case, else the 680m would work. Unfortunately I don't have access to an Optimus system, else I could try some stuff... would be really interesting to know what it takes to make it worth, might be a GPIO pin which is set in the vbios, did anyone already try a Dell 680m in the M17x R3?Does 3d work in the R3 with a Clevo 580m?As for Optimus it is weird, because what it seems like is that the card does not report the same device ID to Windows when it is in SG mode versus PEG. There is a whole thread over on notebookreview, but basically people have tried both Clevo and Dell 680m cards. For the Optimus they just cannot get the drivers to install unless they switch to PEG only, so it might be an INF issue, it might be a hardware issue, it is totally unclear.For 3D no 680m works at all, there have been people who have tried both the Dell and Clevo 680m and with the built-in screen neither will run 3D. Also, if you take a Dell 580m and flash it to 675m 3D stops working even on the exact same card, so it definitely has something to do with the card model in the vBios and the interaction with the system bios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Here's a test version which might help with 3d support for R3 users with the 120Hz screen and the 680m. The archive comes with a password, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I want to prevent people from just grabbing the file anonymously and then never providing feedback, it's a test version and I need to know whether this tweak makes any difference. It's as save to flash as a stock version, so don't worry about this. In the best case 3d will work, in the worst you won't notice a difference. If someone likes to test it, please let me know in this thread or PM me, and I'll send you the pw. Looking forward to hearing from you guys. M17x R3 - 680m - 3D [TEST].zip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J95 Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 Here's a test version which might help with 3d support for R3 users with the 120Hz screen and the 680m.The archive comes with a password, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I want to prevent people from just grabbing the file anonymously and then never providing feedback, it's a test version and I need to know whether this tweak makes any difference. It's as save to flash as a stock version, so don't worry about this. In the best case 3d will work, in the worst you won't notice a difference. If someone likes to test it, please let me know in this thread or PM me, and I'll send you the pw. Looking forward to hearing from you guys. MY Sager 680M will arrive approx. 12 days. Is the 580M still supported with this Bios? Good Work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Yeah, shouldn't make any difference for the other cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhmonroy Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hi svl7, I am willing to try it in my M17xR3 3D; right now I have the 580m, which I can flash to 675m, which is known not to work due to the bios restriction; If your bios hack works with this one, I can try with a clevo 680m 4GB that I have in another system. Looking forward your answer. Here's a test version which might help with 3d support for R3 users with the 120Hz screen and the 680m.The archive comes with a password, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I want to prevent people from just grabbing the file anonymously and then never providing feedback, it's a test version and I need to know whether this tweak makes any difference. It's as save to flash as a stock version, so don't worry about this. In the best case 3d will work, in the worst you won't notice a difference. If someone likes to test it, please let me know in this thread or PM me, and I'll send you the pw. Looking forward to hearing from you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 675m, right... didn't think about this, that would actually be enough to test it. Need to adjust my mod in this case.Edit: Test file attached.M17x R3 - 675m- 680m - 3D [TEST].zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhmonroy Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I have tried with the modified bios:1- The 580m works in 3D with this bios2- The 675m does not work in 3DSorry, I really hoped it worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I need to correct something regarding the 675m... this can't work, forgot something. Might still work for the 680m. Anyway, it's also possible that there are other things I need to change in order to make it work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhmonroy Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hi svl7, just in case, the hardware ID for the 675m is : NVIDIA_DEV.1212.0490.1028 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technos Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 why not search for references in the m17xr3 bios for 580m device ids and/or strings and replace with 675m or 680m strings/ids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I looked at it, you can't just replace any ID with another, there's a bit more behind this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhmonroy Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I guess it must be quite challenging, because nvidia has invested in assuring "exclusivity" to some manufacturers; you can see that there is no clevo, msi, etc with a 680m capable of 3dvision in the laptop screen (as far as I know).Sure it is linked to the video card vbios and system bios, so perhaps the only way is to "fake" the 680m or 675m bios so the system bios sees a 580m....As you will remembered dell introduced the 580m 3dvision support in a late bios (I do not remembered if it was 05, but I am sure it was not present in bios A04 (I have to change my motherboard, and it came with that bios), and the 3dvision tab did not appear till I flashed to A8 unlocked.Hope this info is usefull, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J95 Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 I guess it must be quite challenging, because nvidia has invested in assuring "exclusivity" to some manufacturers; you can see that there is no clevo, msi, etc with a 680m capable of 3dvision in the laptop screen (as far as I know).Sure it is linked to the video card vbios and system bios, so perhaps the only way is to "fake" the 680m or 675m bios so the system bios sees a 580m....As you will remembered dell introduced the 580m 3dvision support in a late bios (I do not remembered if it was 05, but I am sure it was not present in bios A04 (I have to change my motherboard, and it came with that bios), and the 3dvision tab did not appear till I flashed to A8 unlocked.Hope this info is usefull,I also thought about that (fake vBios), using the 680m install paths with the 580m entries (drivers), still this will bring issues with certain apps/games a different architecture involved.Monitor IDs :MONITOR: LGD02C5Compatible Ids: *PNP09FFBase Container ID: {00000000-0000-0000-ffff-ffffffffffff}Physical Device Object name: \Device\0000008dDevice class guid: {4d36e96e-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}Device Instance Path: DISPLAY\LGD02C5\5&358E63D4&8&UID1090640Capabilities : 000000E0 CM_DEVCAP_SILENTINSTALL CM_DEVCAP_RAWDEVICEOK CM_DEVCAP_SURPRISEREMOVALOKSecurity: 00 04 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00 00 60 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00 00 10 01 01 00 00 00 00 05 12 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 10 01 02 00 00 00 00 05 20 00 00 00 20 02 00 00 01 00 18 00 00 00 00 10 02 00 00 00 00 00 05 20 00 00 00 2B 02 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00 10 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 05 04 00 00 00 Security SDS: D:P(A;;GA;;;SY)(A;;GA;;;BA)(D;;GA;;;RD)(A;;GA;;;IU) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I guess it must be quite challenging, because nvidia has invested in assuring "exclusivity" to some manufacturers; you can see that there is no clevo, msi, etc with a 680m capable of 3dvision in the laptop screen (as far as I know).Sure it is linked to the video card vbios and system bios, so perhaps the only way is to "fake" the 680m or 675m bios so the system bios sees a 580m.... As you will remembered dell introduced the 580m 3dvision support in a late bios (I do not remembered if it was 05, but I am sure it was not present in bios A04 (I have to change my motherboard, and it came with that bios), and the 3dvision tab did not appear till I flashed to A8 unlocked. Hope this info is usefull, There is, or at least there will soon be, at least I though I somewhere read about a Clevo with 3d screen, might be wrong though. 580m 3d support got introduced with A07. If you have a copy of A06, let me know Anyway, it might also require some changes in the ACPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhmonroy Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Hi jvl7, perhaps the easiest way will be modifying somehow the drivers, because at the the end it is about the stereo service, that does not load if it does not found certain bios and vbios combination. (just an idea) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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