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Hi guys, I was wondering if you could help me overvolt/undervolt the np6165/w150erq's embedded vbios. The stock sager bios dump is here, courtesy of prema from notebookreview forums: W150ER_06_stock.rar The thing i've noticed is that the 650m's max normal voltage under stock conditions is 1.037v but for some reason it goes to 1.012v when under use. It goes back to 1.037 when the gpu is not under use. I'd like to fix that for a start pls. I've also modded my laptop by adding heat pipes and stuff. More to come soon.
Hello ladies and gentlemen, This thread is for Acer 5739G laptop owners and other laptop owners that have Core 2 DUO/QUAD processor equipped lappys. Some Pictures from Notebookcheck.com Specs: Intel® Core™2 Duo processor T9800 (6 MB L2 cache, 2.93 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 35 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor T9600 (6 MB L2 cache, 2.80 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 35 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor T9550 (6 MB L2 cache, 2.66 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 35 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor T6600 (2 MB L2 cache, 2.20 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 35 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor T6400 (2 MB L2 cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 35 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor P9500 (6 MB L2 Cache, 2.53 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 25 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor P8700 (3 MB L2 cache, 2.53 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 25 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor P8600 (3 MB L2 cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 25 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture Intel® Core™2 Duo processor P7450 (3 MB L2 cache, 2.13 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 25 W), supporting Intel® 64 architecture GPU: GT 130M, 240M. MXM A 3.0 Module Current Build Processor: T9600 at 2.93Ghz RAM: 6GB clocked at 1066Mhz GPU: AMD 6770M Hardrive: Seagate 7200RPM 500GB Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 note:Thread in development.
I've noticed it's difficult finding a comprehensive guide online for overclocking and monitoring the GPU respective to the M14x so I've comprised one of my own. It's important to note that this discussion strictly involves overclocking the GPU and not the CPU. Using the built-in Turbo Mode or other CPU overclocking software is officially NOT recommended in this thread. CPU overclocking has been known to cause serious overheating and even permanent damage to the physical composition of the laptop. In addition, most who have overclocked the CPU have noted that it does not significantly increase gaming performance and is not worth the risk. What this thread is not. A place to discuss CPU overclocking or compare benchmarks. What this thread is. A comprehensive guide on overclocking and monitoring the GPU of the M14x and related discussion. Feel free to share information about different software tools and configurations you have used for overclocking and monitoring your GPU. What overclocking/monitoring software have you had experience with? What are the pros and the cons of each software tool you have used? Once I have verified your information, I will add it to the OP. Overclocking/Monitoring Guide F.A.Q. Q: What is overclocking? A: Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer. (Thanks wikipedia!) Q: Is overclocking safe? A: It depends on your definition of safe. Generally, it will not blow your computer up if done properly but will shorten the lifespan somewhat depending on how high you overclock it. It's usually safer to OC the GPU rather than the CPU. Overclocking the CPU is much more dangerous and is therefor not covered in this guide. Using the following tools will normally not harm your computer HOWEVER going beyond the limit of most of these tools can potentially harm your PC. That doesn't mean that there aren't cases of simple overclocking harming a GPU or PC overall. It happens but it is extremely rare. Q: But don't I have to overclock my CPU and my GPU to get MAXIMUM PWNAGE PERFORMACE?!?! A: No. It has been thoroughly tested that for gaming (which is what most of us use alienware's for), overclocking the CPU does not produce significant enough results to be worth the risk. Q: Well I want to overclock my CPU anyway! How do I do it? A: Go away. Q: Okay so I'd like to try overcocking my GPU. Where do I start? A: First off, try playing the games that you want to play on your system as is with your desired settings. In many cases, overclocking isn't even necessary and you will get great framerates with the default settings. In this instance, overclocking really isn't worth it. Q: My games aren't running at my desired speed. Let's do this! A: Okay. Check out some of the tools below and choose based on your personal preferences and suggestions people have made. You're going to want at least 2 tools. One for overclocking and monitoring your GPU and (even though you're not overclocking your CPU) a CPU monitoring tool. CPU monitoring is still very, very necessary when overclocking your GPU. If you want to use multiple tools to utilize different unique functions, feel free but generally most people want to compartmentalize the process as much as possible. Q: What do I need to look out for? A: Start off slow. Don't max out your clocks, max out in-game graphics settings and hop on Crysis 2 for 8 hours straight. Be nice to your M14X. It is a beast but it is a cute and cuddly beast. We must treat them with care. Slightly increase your settings, load your game for 10 to 20 minutes, and monitor your temperatures. Rinse and repeat until you've found your comfort zones. The preferred CPU temp is 60-80°C. 80-90° is generally doable but anything above 90° is not recommended for non-advanced users. So far for the M14X the sweet spot is 750mhz core clock, 1500mhz shader, and 1080mhz memory clock. Anything above that, enter at your own risk! Q: So what type of results should I be getting? A: Here are a few graphics to give you an idea of what overclocking should be doing for you. Q: Okay I'm feeling froggy! I want to flex my stuff and post some benchmarks. What do I do? A: Hold your horses young buck. There's a thread for that. Overclocking/Monitoring Tools Nvidia System Tools pros: All in one GPU overclocking and monitoring tool. Made my GPU manufacturer, is safe and stable, has fan controls and basic system health monitoring. cons: limited in overclocking M14X GPU Nvidia Inspector pros: GPU overclocking tool with "unlock max" which allows you to maximize overlocking performance and basic system health monitoring. cons: Can't control M14x fans. (Please verify) MSI Afterburner pros: GPU overclocking tool with built in real-time onscreen monitoring of clock, voltag, temperature, fan speed, and framerate. Has built in benchmark and screen capture tools. Great reporting system. cons: Has overclock limit for M14x and some have reported glitches. Benchmark has been known to produce unreliable results. EVGA Precision pros: GPU overclocking tool with monitoring including GPU temp and usage percentage. Can apply new clocks at startup. cons: Cannot control M14x fans. "test" tool doest work with M14x. Riva Tuner pros: cons: outdated HWiNFO pros: Has advanced system health monitoring (temperature, voltage, fan, and power) and controls fan speed. cons: ThrottleStop pros: Great tool for overclocking and monitoring CPU with multiple profile settings. cons: Core Temp pros: Simple, compact, CPU monitoring tool that displays temperature and usage for all cores simultaneously. cons: GPU-Z pros: GPU monitoring tool that displays GPU temp and clocks. cons: Kind of pointless if you're using one of the better GPU overclocking tools but for those who want separate GPU monitoring this would be the tool. (If you have used other software, feel free to mention it. I will add it to the list.) note: All the opinions regarding each software tool is pertaining to performance with the M14x and the M14x ONLY!
*In response to a PM from DR650SE for overlocking advice… figured everyone can discuss this togetherso I posted it instead. "You can followanything I wrote as my settings by all my bench pics but here's anything thatcomes to mind. I had to get high cpu scores on my r2 when I had it to keep upon the lack of having ever changing factory pasting on the gpus and no dice orac so I thought I was fuxxed so I found my own way without those methods. I mayof had lower gpu scores but had my cpu at 8kcpu on 920xm and on 3dmark11 ispretty good right for the R2? I am the beginner Ilearned from you guys and from back when on Wikia free forums when it beforeT|I was up. I learned how to flash vbios from you back then only. So the theory. Youknow this stuff but having it all work together is the key. I had 5870m not6970m in the r2 so there's emphasis on YOU using every method possible forsaving power and keeping cool. Maybe you and Stam really should work togetherto make your supply dual parallel power supplies and I'll do it on my m18x withyou guys... R2 would have 480watts for play and 660watts for m18x. Okay now thetechniques since I use the normal power supply like you. You guys had amazingdiscussions on it so far. I am also running into power shutdowns like when over115amp and watts are set high on cpu... that's happening without my gpusoverclocked. Some of this you'vesaid yourself DR650SE. Try sticking to vbios overclock not using ULPS off inwindows that allows power saved while idling before the test and there would beless heat already for the second gpu... So don't disable ULPS just make like 20variations of your overclock in organized fashion on a usb stick with RBE thenyou can quickly move your next overlock vbios files in right place and flashand check settings quicker. Before your main run you can still use ULPS off andTrixx to find your range of good clocks then turn ulps back on and flash yourplanned overclock. Turn off all bios options for Bluetooth and PCI card slotsremove all USB stuff, use just a single or dual ssd drive if in raid 0 anddon't have a motor based platter hard drive while benching. Keep the powersupply cool also, see my makeshift cooler on the website. Cool components equalless required watts, MHz, voltage id, amperage etc for the same performance orbetter and heat raises these as heat goes up. So we need all ways possible tolower wattage coming from your power supply compare numbers on my highest cpubenches in the r2 bench thread to see which voltage I used, watts and clockssince they can help. Example 4ghz mayscore less than an undervolted 3.75ghz. feel the config out with wprime if thewprime scores good on that config probably will be good for 3dmark. So undervolt even ifit sacrifices a slight bit of MHz the scores can be higher from lower temps. SoI'm saying use passive cooling ie undervolt to the point of just stable enoughto survive the test. Amps will shut off system faster than watts ... Tdc andtdp but if you use a little higher amps and limit your watts.. The load canquickly be drawn on demand and allowing high wattage peaks but no crash sincethey peak and go back with cpu thermal envelope. Use throttle stop for morethan just over clock have overclock on one profile and on the other set yourlowest multiplier locked like is it 12 on i7 first gen? Its 8 on Sandybridge.And also on that profile check cmod or one of them and drop it anywhere from25%-87.5% so your chips cores are running well under natural idle loads andtemps will drop further leave the cpu cooling awhile so when you launch thebench you restore your overclock but cpu cooler that's directly contacting thepaste and cpu is also extra cool where as its not if you didn't do that justthe entire cpu heatsink would be cool not the area I mentioned. Now if you look at HWinfo summary I discoveredyou see what actually happens during cmod less than 100%... I noticed your cpucores suddenly operate at the percent speed you set the cmod too but also thememory does this and even the baseclock drops the same percent giving 100%system cooling via passive drops in speed in almost all clocks of the systemallowing components to absorb more of your cooling on the system. Cool rightthat is additional passive cooling since its using lack of voltage and MHz tothe cores to keep them extra frosty before the benching starts. Fans should be maxedon gpus and cpu with HWinfo. Those heat sinks need to be extra cool beforehand. I never benched with the covers ever off but the battery out for sure socharging isn't happening. All Alienware lights out, you will need Alienware OSDenabled set to go dark and no LED's lit even status lights. When windows startsand lights go out fully on keyboard etcclose OSD process manually and start hitting stop on every unnecessary servicein windows services window. Next closeanything remaining in task manager that's unnecessary since some will be foundhere left. Make sure your plugged into outlet with enough juice some in housescan just be appropriate for lighting. Set screen brightness all the way down.Stop most startup apps in ccleaner use disable since it is easy to enable againthis way. You can keep system covers off since your trying to squeezeperformance. Use the dice on everything even the heatsinks. Use your dice potand ICD 24 its amazing paste. Repaste your CPUs and gpus including Vram andother heat creating pieces. Pre chill your system by idling before kicking theoverclock in and starting the bench. If need create a hotkey to lower cpu orraise in certain scenes of the benches. I haven't but it will help. Undervoltundervolt undervolt! I'm honored to help, I am the newbie amongstyou guys. I use a basic notebook cooler they do help you should too since Inotice my aluminum frame helps cool components a giant amount in fact thealuminum always felt cold. You should use air conditioning too or cool yourroom extra for it even if using dice all components should be cool. Use thehighest baseclock possible that's stable. A high baseclock is priority.Undervolt ram unless its the lowest voltage you can get stable. My ram for the8kcpu in 3dmark11 was stock Dell ram I ran high baseclock but was able to keep1.5v ram. It was like 146-149 baselock with fsb on r2. (m18x cant use fsb). Theram I had used 1.5v with a huge over clock from its stock 1333mhz. Unlike myHyperX I bought for my M18x at 1600mhz which are 1333mhz chips at 1600mhztimings but require 1.65 volts. I wish they would run at lower volts, for me ifI overlock on my baseclock on my m18x my max ram volts is 1.65 in bios is so ithandles to a certain point and would have benefited from 1.7v for extremeoverclocks... But for your r2 try 1.5volt on ram to help heat too and powertoo. If you have Dell ram handy try that you never know one may handleoverlocks and undervolting better. Use a thick lead from your powersupply towall that's rated at high amps. The M18x lead is thickest I've seen. Setwindows to performance in the computer properties so there's no excessivesystem animations etc. Make sure your drive or drives are defragmented and ifits SSD look into a defrag program that aids in SSD i/o operations withouttraditional defrag. In the past I had used Diskeeper or Perfect Disk fordefragging... there a few companies that use similar invisible defragging thathave no impact on user operations while the system is in use. Also ramdisks forpagefile or the app your using could help too. Another is called Fancy Cachethat I think Unreal posted just do a search for it. There's been a thread aboutthose types of programs haven't tried it but there's guaranteed a benefit sinceram transfer rates are much higher than SSD and regular drives are just a jokecomparatively. The higher your Voltage ID at the given moment the more tdc andtdp it will require. My same settings set with only difference being VID boostrequire me too raise tdp and tdc a bit to maintain the same speed. Cheers!Happy overclocking. If you have any unmentioned techniques I'm all ears too. *This is just some basic rambling and observations… so just some thoughts I am in no way sayingany of this is concrete. Feel free to discuss these and any other methods youhave used. The only required proccesses if not using internet or graphics just leave your companies graphic services running if needed this is after stopping uneeded services just close the remaining uneeded processes http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff474/marcwwaters86/Theonlyrequiredproccessesifnotusinginternetorgraphicsjustleaveyourcompaniesgraphicservicesrunningifneededthisisafterstoppinguneededservicesj.png The only required services when not using graphics or internet for graphics just leave your graphics companies services running http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff474/marcwwaters86/Theonlyrequiredserviceswhennotusinggraphicsorinternetforgraphicsjustleaveyourgraphicscompaniesservicesrunning.png