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13 minutes ago, long2905 said:

correct link here:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/gears-of-war-4-bundle

 

but its the windows store version though

Yeah unfortunately GoW4 is a W10 Store exclusive, unless they pull a Quantum Break after release.

45 minutes ago, coolane said:

 

But anyway, the interesting thing might not be the inefficient RX480. Some users who own the old Clevo or Alienware asked the dealer about the possibility of making standard mxm 1070 or 1080. The dealer replied said it's possible if the order is big enough (assuming over 200 cards). Seems like this is a good hope for maxwell or kelpler users to upgrade, if the market is big enough probably will motivate the manufacture (GeCube) to make it.

Big if true. Should spread the word.

GeCube? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time. I remember they used to be an AIB partner for ATi (yes, ATi) Radeon desktop cards. I thought they were defunct for years.

Edit: That Taobao link still shows 2000 yuan (300 USD) for the RX 480, at least for me. Compared to the 8GB desktop card, might be the most reasonably priced MXM I've ever seen LOL. MXM card has slower memory though (7GHz like DT RX 480 4GB).

13 minutes ago, Khenglish said:

 

That's GDDR5 so it's a RX 470 equivalent.

How do you figure? RX 480 also uses GDDR5.

1 hour ago, lmybobbob said:

 

Yes it's some sort of glue...

Wow it would be cool to mod the bios! Im in Computer Science major so if you can share some info on how to mod the bios I'm totally down to doing it haha.

btw the thermal paste is called '7783', it is very thick and man it is a good thermal paste...i saw it somewhere on the forum a lot of US company is buying 7783 and rebrand it. It is by far my favorite thermal paste lol.

It's good to hear 180W psu can pull enough juice for this laptop, I have another post made on notebookreview for my new EUrocom X4E2 (P750DM2-G), can't wait to get my hands on it.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ordered-eurocom-sky-x4e2-p750dm2-g.796273/

 

Definitely hook me up when u doing modding! Start a post and I will follow along haha.

 

 

Tutorial for the microcode hack is here:

That thermal paste sounds like a Shin-Etsu product, going by the number. I've heard good things about Shin-Etsu in the past, but I'm using CLU now.

Congrats on your upgrade.

2 hours ago, lmybobbob said:

 

Haha thx.

The heat pipe is kindda glued on, it said on the instruction to use the glue included, and use some weight on the pipe for sevral hours for it to dry up. It is said to be some good heat conductive glue. I can show some picture tmr. I didn't glue it on since temp has been ok. People reply saying the pipe help decrease around 5 degree, i didn't bother, just ordered the new X4E2 from eurocom, 6700k gtx1070 here i come.

Oh is there way to unlock the 4720HQ beyond 3.8? Seriously my 4729HQ runs at 2.6Ghz when playing game, and only 3Ghz with full CPU 8 thread load. With -70mv applied, it runs at 3.7 single core and 3.4 when 8 thread. I think it just ran into TDP limit abd can't even sustain it's boost clock, can this be actually fixed? Also the 180Watt power supply... Oh man how could that power a 6700HQ and 980m...? I think it is power limited big time...

Idk, this laptop feels really slow, i kindda give up on it and ordered the P750DM2-G...

Glued on? Well that's interesting. Not sure how effective the heat transfer would be compared to soldering the heat pipe.

Yeah it's possible to overclock the 4720HQ beyond +200 MHz, but it's a bit of a complicated process which involves editing the BIOS yourself to run a bugged older CPU microcode version that leaves multipliers unlocked. There's a tutorial on this a few threads down.

If you've got your TDP and current limits set properly in BIOS, you should be able to stay at 3.6x4 in CPU-only load as long as you're not overheating. Gaming is a different story, as like you said Turbo Boost is disabled under GPU load and CPU drops down to 2.6 GHz base. This can be improved slightly by undervolting CPU, but the fix is in EC.

The 180W adapter is fine for stock operation and moderate GPU OC. It can supply more than 180W to the laptop as I've pulled 220W from the wall (>190W to laptop after PSU efficiency) with it during overclocked benchmarking. Currently I'm using the 200W adapter from the P6xxRG, but the 230W Delta ADP-230EB T from the P6xxRS and ASUS ROG G750/G751 also works.

6 hours ago, Khenglish said:

 

That looks fully mxm compatible.

 

1060 is stronger than the 980m, but not by a lot, but at least there is some form of a pascal upgrade path for standard mxm systems. Although MSI cards are almost impossible to find.

 

Core swap to a gp104 won't work with only a 192bit mem interface.

It's a small upgrade for single 900M systems. But for 900M SLI, it's debatable as 1060 can't use traditional driver SLI, only DX12 MDA/LDA Explicit modes if they don't require the bridge in that particular game. So 1060 SLI would function exactly like single 1060 in the benchmarks that are popular here, unless your idea of a benchmark happens to be Ashes of the Singularity.

2 hours ago, lmybobbob said:

Here is the one I bought from, I wasn't in China when I bought it so I ask my friend to go for the most expensive one:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.18.NYErQQ&id=41804517721&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

You can find other sellers that are around 10USD cheaper, there are a lot of this CPU modules for sale on taobao.

Make sure you ask for punching holes(打孔), cuz P650SG(4720HQ) has two capacitors in the way, which will be in contact with the thin cooper board with this new cpu cooling module. if you have a cutter or drill you can cut yourself.

I also bought the cooling pipe :

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.20141001.1.jbC0mb&id=520714774399&scm=1007.10115.36023.100200300000000&pvid=767a5a67-73c9-42aa-a7e0-cb8b9960b78f&idnum=0

This one is not the usual Cooper heatpipe, it is actually alumium megnisum alloy thing with holes, I tried it out it is very very fast heat transfer.

 

 

I was seriously worried if my motherboard is broken or my fan controller is damaged... Too bad eurocom's RMA told me the fan runs just fine, thank god I bought the new fan just to give it last try, and it is indeed the fan failing.

Yeah I noticed the cutout on the copper for the capacitors. Also looks like an official part made at Foxconn. Thanks for the link. Looks cool (pun intended ). 

Although I wonder how the shared heatpipe works. Did you simply weld it between the CPU and GPU heatsinks?

Definitely might be interested in this cooling upgrade for my P650SG if I can get my EC modded to remove CPU throttling. Then I'll slap some CLU on it, use the microcode trick to unlock the multipliers, and hopefully OC to 4+ GHz.

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It looks so "busy" that it makes me cross-eyed just looking at it. What a gigantic mess of stuff in such a small space. Looking at the back of it reminds me of a satellite view of a severely congested city.

 

Great minds think alike.

4 hours ago, lmybobbob said:

I have fixed this problem. Just an update in case anyone else have the same problem in the future, this CPU fan problem is because my CPU fan is failing, and also the cooling module is not that good. This is actually quite common, Clevo have a new version of CPU cooling module in P651SG.

I bought the newest version of CPU cooling module for P651SG on taobao, changed it on with the 5583 thermal paste(this thing is so much better than my Arctic Silver 5 or MX4), and the problem is gone. The new fan even sounds less aggressive at 100% fan speed.

Temp has been very good, stay below 85.

 

I also bought the custom cooling pipe that connect CPU heatsink to GPU heatsink, it is said to lower CPU temps more since the GPU fan will help a little. I didn't bother putting it on since temp is very much improved already. I bought the CPU cooling module for about 40 USD, and the heatpipe 10 bucks, way lower than the quoted price of around 50 CAD for only the fan + 30 bucks shipping I did a couple weeks ago with eurocom.

Very interesting. What was the Taobao link you purchased from? Would be useful for future reference.

Hey @ghoul, have you noticed the overall system power limit? It seems the board is limited to a max of ~140W, pulling 155W-165W from the wall depending on PSU efficiency. Any more than that, and it will drain battery. Try running TS Bench 1024M and Heaven/Valley at the same time with your CPU and GPU's overclocked, you'll probably see it.

The MBP also has a lot less hardware under the hood, so pick your poison. I mean, there's a reason Clevo DTR's since 2014 have no ODD, right?

49 minutes ago, Prema said:

P6 user are usually just not power user that purchase the systems as their main rendering rig. The general gamer doesn't care too much about CPU clocks, so simply won't even notice the combined load throttle.

True, that's what I assumed.

49 minutes ago, Prema said:

By default ALL models throttle and I wonder why people are still surprised about it, since that's been the default ever since Ivy Bridge models came along. CPU Turbo was entirely disabled once the dGPU became active. Now it's just more subtle...

49 minutes ago, Prema said:

That being said, we can remove any and all throttle levels on all Clevos P-Series models, that's not a problem.
After all that's part of what Prema Mods are for.

1 hour ago, Prema said:

 

At that time no one had reported a problem on P6xxSx before those Mods where published (two years back?)...

 

The reviews on NotebookCheck and Gaming Laptops Junky mentioned it, on P6xxRG/RE as well. Dunno about end-users but wouldn't surprise me if they didn't pay attention or accepted the convenient "all HQ processors throttle" which you know isn't necessarily true (silicon itself is fine, throttling is firmware induced).

Anyway I was just curious because not as many people had access to your mod during P6xxRG/RE gen since that unfortunate incident, so IDK if you fixed it, and the problem is still present on current P6xxRP6/P6xxRS.

Edit: Pure speculation on my part but maybe because Skylake uses less power and undervolts better than Haswell, so it was less noticeable? Although if you got a bad bin or are overclocking it still throttles.

3 hours ago, Prema said:

 

As usual that won't be a problem with the Mods...

 

Are you sure about that? Your P6xxSG/SE mod didn't fix it.

19 minutes ago, Legion said:

Maybe you didn't know but some BIOS and vBIOS are available only through his partner shops (like P6XXRe/RG BIOS or 3gb 970M vBIOS).

 

I know, that's what I meant by "publicly available" as opposed to going through one of his partner shops. I bought my Clevo from Eurocom which is a Prema partner.

2 hours ago, Legion said:

 

Thanks for info but Prema made BIOS for P6xxRG/RE but i don't know if it contained this fix or not...

If he made one, he never released it publicly after the incident AKAIK. If you have it, you can test by monitoring CPU frequency when both CPU and GPU are loaded.

Check his other recent videos. How well it works depends on the game. Crysis 3? Great, but we knew this years ago. BF4? Not so great, but still not bad. GTA V? Awful.

Anyway I already gave my opinion when I downvoted that video, so there's that.

P.S. I'm not disagreeing about whether 4-way works or not, just its practicality and effectiveness. Nvidia is king of artificial limitations so it doesn't surprise me at all that end-users have found workarounds since this is what we've always done. You know that on a 4-way setup, you can force a game to run in n-way mode just by changing one bit in the SLI profile?

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

You, just like I don't know if that's the game or the video.

The microstutter was apparent throughout the video, and the frame time spikes could be verified on the OSD (despite not being accurate since only FCAT can accurately measure FPS and MSPF in mGPU), so clearly the game was running sub-optimally.

Anyway forget all the statistics that you benchmarkers go gaga over. Stop looking at the OSD and just watch the gameplay. It doesn't even pass the eyeball test for smoothness.

9 minutes ago, johnksss said:

All I said was he got 4 way working. What should have been the topic is 4 way working, not 5 reasons about everything other than the 4 way working.

4-way "works", but it's a terrible experience just watching the video, and I'm not even playing the game. FPS and GPU usage drops all over the place, hitching, massive microstutter whenever the camera is turned, frame time spikes into the hundreds of ms range, etc. 99th percentile frame rate during that run was probably under 20 FPS. This is actually perfect evidence of why SLI is for number-chasers, not for a smooth gaming experience. I'd love to see Digital Foundry get their hands on a Titan XP 4-way and FCAT it so they can tear that guy to shreds.

Whatever it doesn't matter. I logged into my Google account just so I could downvote that video. Couldn't stand the way he prattled on despite on-screen evidence showing the game running like shit.

1 minute ago, D2ultima said:

That is not 8K. He's using way too little video RAM for 8K (DSR grants the same vRAM hit as actually using the resolution if I remember correctly). 4GB of vRAM is BARELY enough for GTA V at 1080p "maxed" out. I've asked Tgipier from NBR (don't believe he's on T|I) to test for me going from 1080p to 3440 x 1440 with the game on absolute maximum, and he crosses 5GB vRAM just doing that. 4K or 8K would be much higher. He has at LEAST turned off MSAA, possibly more.

 

I mean, good for the fact that 4 Titan XP cards work, certainly. But something's pretty off about his metrics in that video.

 

He should have shown us his options menu if he's making those claims. I hate to be a skeptic about these things, but there's far far too many people who say things like "I max witcher 3 with a 970 and I get like 144fps" and they've turned off all gameworks options and AA and the like.

Err the VRAM usage reporting is bugged. It says >4TB in that video. Been a bug in Nvidia driver for the last several releases.

1 minute ago, johnksss said:

Although he did some post clean up and retracted part of his story...LOL

This is at 8k from what he speaks.

 

There is smooth. And then there is that.

BTW that's not 8K. That's 4K with 4x DSR.

38 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Well, scaling has been made to work with 4 Titan XP's.....

In benchmarks, sure. But a lot of recent games like Doom and The Witcher 3 are quite PCIe bandwidth heavy (even assuming HB Bridge) at native 4K with temporal AA, so you need PCIe 3.0 x16 per card for positive/optimal scaling. Which means only HEDT platform with 40-lane CPU would suffice, and rules out anything above 2-way SLI.

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

When and where it doesn't you can dedicate it for PhysX

Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Fox, but PhysX is dead as a doorknob since current-gen consoles and their successors are all AMD silicon. Your only hope for PhysX is GameWorks titles, and we all know what the general consensus on that is, despite the fact that AMD's equivalent--GPUOpen--is as bad if not worse (case in point: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided).

Edit: And you certainly don't need a very powerful GPU as a dedicated PhysX PPU. Even a lowly 750 Ti is all you need for a 1080: