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lol i didn't mean u were lieing or sth, just thought u maybe wrote mistakenly
Thx a lot for the screenshots ...
btw in TS havent u done any setting over the TPL or C7s sections ? coz still when i run a TS bench the FID can not reach to x38 at full load even with the undervolting as ur screenshots suggest. and this is due to the fact that CPU throttles (reason: PL2 which i suppose this a power limit throttling) maybe u hv changed ur Microcode which i dont hv a clue what it is
PS. at FULL LOAD the highest FID gets is x32.4 for me
how about ur GPU have done any undervolt and overvolt experiment ?
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18 hours ago, Ultrax5 said:
@iAchilles
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13106042
Settings for reference:
CPU:
OC'd to 3.8 Ghz single core/ 3.6 quad core. -80mV core, - 125mV cache, microcode v20 from June 2016.
GPU:
Core: 1401Mhz Mem: 3005Mhz.
u say oced to 3.8 but ur info in 3dmark page says other thing :
- Maximum turbo core clock
- 3,696 MHz
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5 hours ago, Ultrax5 said:
I'm using ThrottleStop to do it. Throttling isn't a problem at 3.6Ghz, especially with undervolting, which substantially lowers the temps. Basically if you have temps that are good enough, throttling will only occur at 4.0+Ghz where you have to raise the voltage and VRM temp throttling kicks in. That's why I settled on 3.8Ghz.
The thing is I didn't really try overclocking it to extreme core clocks since I finally learned how to unlock the vBIOS properly(not just forcing the clocks with MBT). I don't think the drivers differ in overclocking, because I'm getting artifacts at the same clocks as before.
Actually my modded one allows for a bit more voltage so probably I could get even more points in 3Dmark but it's just pointless if it's nowhere near my stable clocks.
would u kindly take some screenshot of ur ThrottleStop from different setting sections, so then i could be able to set my setting like yours (since im not really good at it as u are) ..... i wanna get the best possible OC for our Y50-70
much appreciated .... that would be kind of u
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5 hours ago, Ultrax5 said:
@iAchilles
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13106042
Settings for reference:
CPU:
OC'd to 3.8 Ghz single core/ 3.6 quad core. -80mV core, - 125mV cache, microcode v20 from June 2016.
GPU:
Core: 1401Mhz Mem: 3005Mhz.
thx
what software did u use for overclocking the cpu ?? didn't u hv any problem with throttling ?
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23 hours ago, Ultrax5 said:
As far as I remeber I got it to 1480 core and 3005 mem clock at 1.87V. Anyway, it was only for the benchmark, these settings artifact heavily when used outside 3Dmark.
what is ur final stable setting when there is no artifact and the system has got no prob during running games or ur graphic driver wouldn't crash ????
would u pls do a bench with 3DMARK with ur stable setting?
much appreciated, it coz of the fact that i wanna do a comparison between my y50-70 (960m 2GB) with urs which i believe it's 4 GB varient.
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16 hours ago, Ultrax5 said:
Basically, to increase the power limit you need to mod the vBIOS, just change the values to your desired ones in Maxwell BIOS Tweaker power tab. Don't set them too high though, it could cause some nasty problems to happen.
And - for voltage you only need to open up nVidia Inspector and move the voltage slider all the way to the right. Even if it says +275 or +262.5, it won't give voltages that high anyway, setting it to that sets the voltage to 1.187, which drops to 1.17 after a while. It's only a few milivolts but it allowed me to reach some nice overclocks that unfortunately are artifacting like crazy after a few minutes.
would u take some screenshot of your final setting in ur Maxwell BIOS Tweaker ?? since i dont know which valuve should be changed in Power Tab. just let us what value u have changed to get the best result.
appreciated
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10 hours ago, Phentos said:
Those options will be under the Voltage Table and Power Table headers in the program. Increase your OC until you reach the point where temperatures and/or stability become worse than what you feel comfortable with. Increase power limit as needed. Don't increase voltage unless you have to, as this will greatly increase heat buildup. Depending on your GPU's ASIC quality, increasing voltage may be unavoidable.
Open GPU-Z and right click the top bar of the program window, there should be an option called Read ASIC Quality. Higher values mean the GPU is not as "leaky" as those having lower values, which means you won't need to increase the voltage for a high ASIC GPU as much as you would for a lower value GPU.
This is the only situation where ASIC quality matters. It's irrelevant for overall performance, so don't be upset if your GPU has a lower ASIC value (65% or less).
thx for explanation
mine is 73 % , so i suppose it's a good value?
here is my MaxwellBiosTweaker screenshots, dont know what parameter should be changed or how much they should be changed ?
http://uupload.ir/files/62uz_11.png
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On 4/3/2016 at 6:29 PM, Ultrax5 said:
Actually, we can increase the voltage and (by bios modding) increase the power limits. Nvidia inspector can set the voltage to 1.17V if I remeber correctly, and that allowed me to run the GPU at 1475mhz(possibly even more can be achieved), but there were 2 problems I encountered:
1. The power brick is way too weak to handle such overclocks reliably if one unlocks the power limits. Furmark started to eat the battery like crazy the second I started the stress test.
2. This is actually my GPU's own problem - at 1475mhz and 1.17 it was artifacting a lot, but it was enough for me to complete 3dmark Fire Strike test. So unless someone has some better quality silicone in the GPU, higher overclocks won't happen.
there is a sth i encountered with the power break. some times after playing a game like 2 hour with the laptop on AC power, suddenly the power key on laptop (above keyboard, right corner) starts blinking and as i tested, if i don't take power cable out and then put it in again the laptop gonna shut itself down, it seems as if the power break can not provide enough power in some situation.
would u pls explain in detail how u managed to increase power limit ? thx
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Just now, Phentos said:
The only real way to be able to change power limit and voltage is to mod the VBIOS.
If you haven't already, I recommend repasting the GPU as well as the CPU.
recently could extract vBIOS but dont know how to power/voltage limit in MaxwellBiosTweaker . do u know how?
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On 3/29/2016 at 5:12 PM, Ferkosza said:
Thank you, Sir
. I also documented it for myself, in case I will need to do more OC-ing/modding in the far future. (I always forget everything if I don't write it down ) .
You are right about your VRAM speed; the values we see in Afterburner should be doubled for the final speed. Thus, I get 3000 there and my final speed is 6000 MHz. Our cards are basically a 750 Ti, if you check the desktop variants' memory speed, you will also see values between 5 and 6 GHz GDDR5 (depending on the manufacturer's OC).
I have seen the 970/980 power-method you linked before; but to be honest, I used to play a lot with my previous laptop and its 850M - however, I could not increase the voltage/wattage there, no matter what I changed. The real gurus here in Techinferno can simply unlock the voltage bar for notebook VGA chips in Afterburner - no idea how. I guess we should ask them. The good thing is that you can embed any mod-ded vBIOS based on my instructions, not only the one from Maxwell II Tweaker. So if you manage to find a way to increase voltage, let me know!
Edit: Indeed, I have a 4GB-variant of the 960M. I don't really use that much mem though, coz I play at 900p to have reasonable speed in games
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really like ur perfect punctuation, it seems as if u r writting an essay
(i'm an English student)
have u made any comparison between 4gb vs 2gb varient of 960m, FPS-wise in games ? has the 4gb varient any absolute benefit over the 2 gb varient ?
so ur final boost clock is 1454 which is 1359 MHz + 95 MHz by MSI AB = 1454, right ? is it the ultimate value we can push our card? have u checked higher values than 1359 when u set this value in vBIOS ?
anyway, pls let me know ur best OC values or by any chance u found better vBIOS file or setting OR EVEN if there is any way to get better performance outta this specific Laptop. (i'm gonna PM u my Email address for any finding u might bump into in the future)
it would be definitely appreciated.
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7 hours ago, Ferkosza said:
Yes, unfortunately I saw some power limit related throttling, but not too much. I guess I would need voltage OC, but I have no idea how to do that. The temps were also a bit high, max. 75 degrees Celsius, and it is not yet summer here in (East-)Europe... We will see, I guess I will need a notebook cooler.
So my final numbers are: Core - 1454 MHz, VRAM - 6000 MHz.
In my next post I will write down the detailed steps how I mod-ded my BIOS.wow, thx for ur thorough and detailed guide sir
really appreciated indeed. u are rock man !!
VRAM 6000 MHZ !!!???? Are u sure ???? i only can get +300 MHZ (fully stable) memory clock with MSI AB which leads to : 2505 (stock memory) + 300 = 2805 Mhz
btw ur gpu is 2gb or 4 gb variant ? although i believe 960m 4 gb is an absolute over kill coz this particular gpu is too weak in essence that can benefit from that 2 extra GB.
PS. can't we change the POWER LIMIT by this method ?
http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/how-to-raise-the-power-target-limit-on-geforce-gtx-970-and-gtx-980/
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4 hours ago, Ferkosza said:
Hi iAchilles,
You will need the aforementioned Firmware Programming Tool for Windows (fptw64.exe) to extract your main BIOS first. See my post above. Run the tool as 'admin.'
One cannot simply read the vBIOS of the 960M via GPU-Z, because on most laptops the VGA BIOS is embedded in the main BIOS (just like on our Lenovo Y50-70).
Furthermore, I was not able to increase the voltage / power envelope of my 960M, I could "only" increase its speed with cca. 100 MHz via BIOS modding (exluding MSI Afterburner's +135 MHz), but in the end my full OC performance was like +18%-19% compared to the original, which is not bad.
So please report back here if you could extract your main BIOS.
Finally, thx very very much for ur response sir.
18% is good enough.
aren't u hitting the power limit (throttling) ? have u checked the power limit graph via MSI afterburner ??? how's the temps?
As far as i get from what u said, so u have ur gpu OCed +235 for core clock base, right ? and how much for Memory ?
i used ur suggested application (fptw64.exe) and took a backup of bios
this is the result
also i used Universal BIOS Backup ToolKit 2.0 and took a backup of bios with this application as well
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On 3/21/2016 at 3:21 PM, Klem said:
Take the dump with GPU-Z or NVflash.
hey man, pls check out my topic. ur pm box is full, had to bring to ur attention here. i would be grateful if u help
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hi guys,
got a y50-70 FHD touch with a gtx 960m 2GB which i wanna OC the GPU a little bit and change the power limit a bit to avoid hitting power limit and throttling.
so the question is simple :)) HOW ? ONLY WAY IS TO MOD THE vBIOS ? OC gpu applications like EVGA PrecisionX 16 or MSI Afterburner does not allow me go furthur than +135 core clock base and POWER LIMIT option is greyed out.
btw i'm quite familiar with the danger and risk so ....
thx in advance
appreciated
PS. there is topic here in this forum which is somehow near what i'm seeking for but it's a bit old and seems no one replys to it anymore, so i made a new one, hope i can get a help, thx
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16 hours ago, iAchilles said:
hi Ferkosza
i have a y50-70 gtx 960m 2gig and my clock base offset are limited to +135.
how to go furthur than that?
also did u take POWER LIMIT into consideration in order to avoid hitting trotheling ????
i want to have a access to more clock base offset and power limit
i tried to extract vBIOS by gpuz but gpuz didnt support it.
it would be gr8 if u could help me
NO HELP ? :|
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On 2/29/2016 at 8:27 PM, Klem said:On 3/15/2016 at 7:48 PM, Ferkosza said:
My current (more or less) stable values of my 960M are 1450/6020 MHz (boost.core/VRAM). I cannot go above them and I have no idea how to increase the voltage yet. Nevertheless, they are really nice value and perform almost 4800 points in Firestrike.
Ultrax5, I have used Intel's Firmware Programming Tool for Windows (fptw64.exe) to read my BIOS on my Lenovo Y50-70 w/ 960M. The parameters are:
fptw64.exe -d <backup_bios_name.rom> -bios
You need at least the v9.5 version in order to handle Haswell chipsets properly. I will attach my version for your convenience. You will certainly need to run it as Administrator. The "-bios" parameter ensures that the tool will read only the main BIOS, but that's all you need for modding your 860M/960M.Edit: oh sh*t, I forgot that you cannot download files yet. Please use this link then:
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=75024
Just search for the text " FPT v0.9.5.0.1428"Just use attached program for creating backup of bios. Unzip attached archive directly on the Desktop and run the program as administrator. Program will create archive "results" directly on the Desktop.
hi Ferkosza
i have a y50-70 gtx 960m 2gig and my clock base offset are limited to +135.
how to go furthur than that?
also did u take POWER LIMIT into consideration in order to avoid hitting trotheling ????
i want to have a access to more clock base offset and power limit
i tried to extract vBIOS by gpuz but gpuz didnt support it.
it would be gr8 if u could help me
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On February 29, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Klem said:
Just use attached program for creating backup of bios. Unzip attached archive directly on the Desktop and run the program as administrator. Program will create archive "results" directly on the Desktop.
hi Klem
frist off thx for your efforts
i have a y5070 gtx 960m 2gig with lastest BIOS update. do u recommend me to use modded BIOS ???
and can i also overclock my cpu as well as gpu ? does it have to do it through modded BIOS ? can't i do do with ordinary (not modded) system ?
thx in advance
lenovo y50-70 860M (4GB) overclock
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to my and ur surprise, ive checked it with battery full and the power cord plugged in, yet PL1 and PL2 happen after, i think, 48 W passed !!!! how this doesn't happen with urs ?!? i cant reach 58 W AT ALLLL !!!!
and yes i read the READ ME file of TS by which how to eliminate throttling based on power consumption but the prob here is how u know exactly what is VCCIN for our CPU in y50-70 coz if we set the VCCIN number wrong it might lead to dangerous result.