TheReciever
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1 hour ago, Zwierzak said:
Well - if the problem would lay in amps (limit on ~86A) then the CPU would be able to work with around 80w - at least at 4ghz: cpu voltage around 1.05V x lets say 80A would give it ~80W of usable power but its limited to ~57W (peak 60) which mean that limit comes from total wattage not amperage (there is probably also limit on amps but its wayyy higher then the total power limit). I don't know if its possible to change this limit in bios but without unlocked one I cant verify it.
1 hour ago, Zwierzak said:snip
It would actually bring it down to 3.8Ghz on 4 core turbo as others have experienced in the past.
Im not sure why your implying I am making less of your scenario or your level of knowledge on the subject, if you can quote it. Ill amend my responses to you. I base what I have stated on others experiences that have already had the 4930mx.
You can easily disable the 755m but does that actually remove its capability to draw power?
I also want to get a 4930mx and clock it to the moon to eliminate the CPU bottleneck and prolong the in use time of the machine.
Any reason why you havent tried the 2.07 version provided here? is that BIOS not unlocked? or is it just a whitelist removal?
Please dont mistake, its more precaution in my statements. I'd hate for someone to try and save some cash while getting performance only to have their laptop become a paperweight based on our posts here lol
I dont support BGA garbage or nvidia. Removing overclocking, calling it a bug that was fixed and that we should be thankful is crap. I am buying the hardware and not a license. Intel doesnt like giving us options anymore? Thats fine, Ill get more than enough performance from Haswell and MXM 3.0 or PGA dont make a come back ill just switch to SFF Ryzen in the future. 1300-1400 for a bare minimum 1060 system or this adapter +rx 480/144hz monitor/240w PSU, for like 500? Guess it depends on your location, but I have Yongsang Electronics market and can get better deals on PC parts. Where do you guys think all those cheap Korean panels came from?
I'd rather buy another laptop with a 4910mq/4930mx and just transplant it. Though of course that option completely depends on availability on pricing.
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Any particular reason for looking for USB-C ?
I am not well informed on the typical uses of it, just curious
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Hmm not bad, too bad its not half height though. I dont think you will be able to squeeze that in there...
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Looks like I have been green lit for my project with the y510p for my class.
I will be buying a dremel and sourcing a replacement fan soon
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4 hours ago, Zwierzak said:
Lol The Reciver you gave me a laugh
- no, y510p its not designed for 47w - actually it works great with 57w and it would go higher but... in bios there is TDP limit so without proper unlocked BIOS I cant set it more than 3800 mhz x 4cores on 4930mx 
btw what is a CPU power connector ? 
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I've reworked cooling - joined heat pipes from gpu and cpu with a clamp and added some Grizzly conductonaut between them to improve heat flow, enlarged fan intake and put conductonaut on cpu - I didn't even had to make fan mod (removing control wire) - with undervolt to keep power intake below 57w (-80mv on core) it gets 90+ deegres C tops in TSBench on 3800mhz stable (8threads 1024mb sample), it gets to thermal throttling when I'm on igpu but only barely - when it completes the test (circa 90%). I would like to push it more but to do it I need fully unlocked bios - so if someone would have bios 1.1 for y510p I would appreciate a msg or a download link.
You will not be able to. The EC rewrites the Amp settings which you likely have found to be 86A. This cant be altered, even with unlocked BIOS.
manual states 47w, though I will concede that disabling onboard 755m contribute to load allowed through the mosfet, however the power connector will burn, as it has for others...
see below.
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That may be, however you still have to worry about the CPU power connector, it wasnt designed to maintain that throughput
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Bummer, then stuck to the 4910mq then
Thanks!
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Replaced the mosfet? I wonder, is it possible to replace with a higher capacity mosfet to handle the 4930mx?
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Did you overclock your 4930mx at all?
In any case, be careful with the 4930mx, y510p is only meant for 47w CPU only and MOSFET is designed for that capacity.
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Just make sure you can return it if it doesnt work out.
4700mq can handle it, but the chipset from lenovo I am unsure of...there are others who inquired but no one ever checked back on the forum to state their results...
Best of luck!
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Staying tuned for the last batch on the pcie adapter, I was hoping to wait until tax return but seems like I cant be choosy
Count me in for 1!
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Also guys there are m.2 to msata adapters
Only reason I bring it up is because 44mm M.2 SSD's are stupid expensive where I live, much cheaper and much easier to obtain an adapter + mSATA SSD
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Do you think it will fit within the housing? Its likely slightly larger but I wouldnt know how much room there is for play.
I might get lucky and be able to use this as my physics project for school so I might kick this back into gear soon.
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This fan looks to be slightly more CFM, anyone think of any potential issues in using this over the fan used by @ghoul ?
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I moved the copper heatsinks back to the original positions and temps dropped back to around 82c like it was before
Im probably going to order some switches, and need to look into a new dremel for the future.
That is the 9 cell battery that will elevate the laptop, I asked the guy on NBR and he was kind enough to share that info with me. Not too pricey.
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Took the keyboard off and added one washer to the CPU, for a total of 2 washers in per screw. Temps are all over the place...
Anywhere from 82c-91c with -100mv @ 3.4Ghz and 40% utilization.
Well with the Dremel dead cant really do anything at all, and cant justify buying a new one as all local ones are over 100 USD. Putting the y510p in a box for a while. Probably only going to buy the adapter maybe, who knows.
Thanks for the part number, ill likely pick that up after getting a dremel
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58 minutes ago, skavi said:
Nope, using the stock configuration.
Just took a couple washers off the GPU and put it on the CPU, so the CPU has 2 washers for each screw, I am also about to dremel the bottom panel so the cooling pad can actually be effective.
Ill report my findings after I finish of course lol, just waiting on the ol' lady to wake up.
EDIT: cancel that, dremel burned out. Guess I have to get a new one, really disappointed right now
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Holy crap really?
Something is up there, have you inserted washers on your heatsink?
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Yeah the ultrabay fan is just not large enough to keep the temps in range at stock volts (for my unit) and I like overclocking every machine I get my hands on, so this poses a problem when my goal is just to not overheat at stock. My GPU's are doing doing ok as long as they are undervolted. Right now in a cave in FF14 GPU1 is 67c and GPU2 76c when both have a -25mv applied.
I might go with the 4910mq then in the future and see what I can get out of it. I have to find out more information on it, max 4 core turbo at stock is 3.7Ghz which is kind of silly. I believe 6 bins are accessible which would make it 4.3Ghz (not that I expect that clock) For now I want to get the system set to go as it is right now, however once I finally move on to the eGPU the biggest bottleneck becomes the CPU, I can alleviate it by making sure temps are low, and high speed (2133mhz) memory. Its why I am concerned about how much raw power I can get from the CPU in this laptop, I'll likely pick up VEGA when ever it drops as it will last me long enough time to go into multiple systems, just want to limit the bottleneck as much as possible.
Im still using NT-H1, its probably time for me to also finally make the jump to liquid metal...Its just quite expensive right now.
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My idle temps currently is 38c-43c
I have the grill removed, washer/spring mod applied, and 6 pieces of copper attached to heatpipe and aluminum with a cooling pad, also thermal "glue" applied to the GPU pipe over the CPU area.
Its why Im a little irritated with my load temps lol, 82c Got to work on lowering the temps more.
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Thats awesome man, thanks for sharing!
I figured it would be a 50/50 chance of it working but stoked that it does. Making it a clean looking install is more challenging but at this stage I believe function over form is what we're after anyways
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Sweet, I figured with how locked this system is out of the box that it would likely disable the SATA port if Ultrabay was populated. I dont have an extra drive right now so I cant test it myself.
Hmm quite the hurdle.
Chassis is already cut for more airflow, Im not throttling anymore but temps are still way too high, the fan curve just sucks. I've already cut the wire for the ultrabay and still 15c higher than GPU1 at stock volts, have to undervolt to keep it from reaching 97c eventually. Which is the motivation for the larger fan on the ultrabay side.
This is unfortunate that the 4930mx is too much for the y510p, I recall xoticpc selling these laptops with the option for 4930mx back in the day but maybe no one actually bought any. There really isnt much point to getting the 48xx/49xx though as they are just as locked to 47w and thus cant actually access the higher multipliers when under significant load, might change some under gaming but would make it difficult to test for stability I would imagine. In a nutshell, its either stick with the 4700mq or undergo heavy modification to accommodate the 4930mx/4940mx. I actually like the second option, the challenge seems fun but since there is the price hike on those chips Ill have to wait a while before pulling the trigger on it, its also likely ill just buy it from another laptop on ebay, some are going for 900 when the chip itself goes for 500-600.
Spacer was probably the wrong term, I should have said washers. I have no way of locating them here in Korea at the moment, I'll just test it and see how it works out, I've had success with them in the past.
Regarding the heatpipes, I've already purchased the copper heatsinks. The idea is to transfer as much heat to the other pipe as possible, I have already glued the GPU pipe to the CPU portion but temps are still differing greatly. Im sitting in a somewhat populated area in Final Fantasy 14 at the moment with 28% load @ 79c-82c (3.4Ghz 4 core -90mv core/-90mv cache) while GPU1 is 65c -25mv (stock clocks) and GPU2 70c -50mv (stock clocks)
its my opinion (no hard data to back this) that the heatpipes are already underutilized due to low fan curve. Its why replacing with larger fan is a great idea because even though it will just lower rpm of the fan due to increased airflow when it hits top load temps the end result should still be lower than stock solution. In any case, if it doesnt work out, I can just as easily pull them off, but thats unlikely as Ill need them to transfer heat to the GPU pipe after its disabled.
Fun little project at least
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Man I've been reviewing other threads on mods and I just cant sit quiet anymore lol, love this stuff too much.
How much risk do you think there is in the VRMs burning out with the 4930mx? I was actually debating that or the 4910mq. I had read in another thread about some guy not being able to even hit 3.5Ghz 4 core turbo with the higher end CPU's so its been a huge hurdle trying to get more info, save for maybe us, many do not even think about overclocking in the y510p/y410p due to its heat dissipation issues to begin, so information is scarce. I want to push 4.5Ghz in this machine, but I could probably settle for 4.2Ghz I believe the 4910mq can do, but do you think it will be TDP throttled ?
Which AW fan did you order? I just ordered a replacement fan to mod into the Ultrabay 755m that you displayed in another thread and then find this thread of you modding the CPU+GPU fan with a larger fan from an AW machine, awesome stuff! Did you need to re-use the 4-pin connector or was it all plug and play? Its been a couple of years but finally the Dremel will get some use again!
I'll also be adding a lot of copper to the heatpipes themselves. The plan I have right now is to use the thermal glue (I do mean, glue) to join the gap in the GPU+CPU heatpipes, then make sure its flat by using some high grit sandpaper, then attaching the copper heatsinks to the pipes. The idea is to make better use of the GPU heatpipe as even with 3.0Ghz @ .99v its around 78c.
Im going to remove the spacers from the GPU's and replace them with copper shims, so this way I can use those spacers on my CPU. I am in South Korea for the foreseeable future, so finding the spacers isnt a simple task right now but still want ot move forward with the mods.
Obviously cant be encouraging heatsoak so ill be cutting wholes into the bottom panel, attaching grills.
The goal is 2 fold here. I want to get the most CPU power I can get out of this machine as ill be going the route of Ultrabay eGPU like @Tesla has, however I still want the mods to be internal, and somewhat mobile. I also want to make the palm rest cooler, as its quite hot right now. Which means I gott get it around 65c probably
I probably wont be upgrading for a couple of years since Intel axed rPGA in favor of BGA, so I have no interest in anything new until I see Ryzen mobile which should be around the 2H of this year.
I was also thinking of grabbing one of those Opolar LC05/LC06 vacuum coolers since the fan curve in the y510p is quite low. They are like 55 USD in S. Korea so I have forgone that for now in favor of copper heatsinks, allowing airflow from the bottom, and larger ultrabay 755m fan.
I also want to pose another question to @Tesla
Do you happen to have an extra HDD/SSD laying around? I am really curious if the SATA port is active despite having the ultrabay in use via GPU/eGPU If so, that would be a sweet deal. Can just grab an enclosure with eSATA and use an adapter (cable) just tape the enclosure to the back of the monitor or something lol.
In any case love what you guys have been doing here and have been lurking these topics for a couple of years now. I had to trade/sell my ITX desktop because I didnt want to have it confiscated by Airport security. I knew the y510p had that adapter by Gerald so I traded for the y510p locally before leaving the U.S.
EDIT: I was also wondering if either of you know where to locate the 9 cell battery that is compatible with our laptops? I found someone that had done it, which naturally elevates the laptop. Here is the link to the thread.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/lenovo-y410p-custom-upgrade-paint.782791/
Thanks guys !
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Just get it and get a stock vbios dump or use the mod.
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If I can go that route then sure, im just weary of the drivers checking against it in the future.
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Posted · Edited by TheReciever
Dont forget though you will also likely need a keyboard, and monitor as well.
Not trying to undermine your point but just better to have full context
Also Im not sure when I recommended Alienwares? If you can quote it, I would appreciate it.
Clevo is only worthwhile if Prema BIOS is available otherwise I wouldnt bother with them either...