Morv

That's the reason I wouldn't touch this thing in such a way without a detailed super dummie guide

Sorry for your loss, though =/

Yes, just clarifying this at this point: I got things messed up. ithildin struggles himself with stability issues and needs help, too. Sorry about this.

I'm not sure what you mean by me having found a solution. My Macbook Air + AKiTiO + EVGA GTX 670 2GB is definitely not stable (no Optimus either). Like for @juniordiscart , my GTX 460 is more stable but I've noticed that Windows 8.1 is occasionally unresponsive.

I've been busy at work and I haven't gotten around to testing the setup again to look for MEIx64 entries in the logs. I should have some time for this tomorrow.

EDIT: I think you got me and @ha1o2surfer mixed up:

Oh yes, I messed that up, I'm really sorry!

@ha1o2surfer: Can you provide pictures and/or some details on how to do the cable mod? As you can see in this thread there are people struggling with this stability issue. As you wrote that you could fix it with your mod it may be the general solution. People who don't know for sure what you meant will most probably not try to mod it and harm the board but a guide with pictures should be easy to follow. I really think people would be thankful to finally have a stable setup with their desired graphics card.

Ah, sorry, I hardly paid attention to disregard the information in the spoiler.

Maybe a dumb question, but how do I disable optimus then? I do have 2 GPUs listed: the 750m and (for this moment) the GTX460. Can I just disable the 750m from the device manager? (The MacBook doesn't recognize the Intel iGPU in Bootcamp, so I can't disable that). Or should I do something in the nvidia control panel?

Thanks for your reply and effort in investigating this.

This is very interesting information. Optimus can only be enabled with the iGPU present. Your Macbook having the GT 750M but giving the same messages hints that it isn't Optimus or iGPU related.

As I previously wrote in the first post, something is going on at boot which leads to those messages. I'm starting my Macbook by pressing Alt until the boot menu appears, then I plug in the already powered eGPU, wait a second or two and then I boot Windows. Same procedure all along but sometimes it loads with the iGPU enabled and I do not know why, it also happens if I don't load OS X in the meantime. I then have the messages like you but I only have the iGPU in my Macbook which is why we thought it's Optimus related.

I don't know, maybe this is some weird allocation failure happening at boot? I'd still like to know if this the reason for the crashes or if it's really something electric related to the Akitio board.

@Morv

I assume you are referring to me in one of the spoilers. I'm the person who switched out his GTX770 for a GTX760. I must admit I was a bit fast in crying victory, as I mentioned in a few post further down in that thread. The GTX760 does reduce the problem significantly compared to the GTX770 (it happens a lot less often and also much later compared to my GTX770).

However, I do have a GTX460 (1GB, 2 x 6 PCI-e power pins) as a spare graphics card and have been using it for over a week now without a single crash. It's obviously not as powerful as a 700-series card, but it runs flawlessly. I may get my hands on a GTX560 of a friend for a while and can use it to test this card as well.

Btw, I checked my event logs when using the GTX760 and GTX770, and both of them give the entries you describe in the OP. Using the GTX460 only gives one MEIx64 entry in the log after the WinLogon event.

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Yes, it was you I was referring to but I didn't want to search for your post as I didn't know anymore in which thread I had seen your post and I didn't know your name either :S.

Still, thanks for your information. Did you have Optimus enabled with both the cards, e.g. access to the internal display? Like the others stated they only get it when Optimus is enabled and I can agree to this with my new GTX 960. If I boot and it boots with iGPU enabled I get these entries and a load on the System task of about 15-20%.

Also, I remember the output on the external display felt somewhat slow or laggy with the GTX 780. Running the system with the GTX 960 feels way smoother(cursor movement, window movements).

If you like to, check about this, too.

If you want a stable fast card, take a Gigabyte GTX 960 ITX. That's the one I've got and i did not have a crash until now, it's about a week nearly since I've got it. 3DMark11 ranges from ~8700 to ~9400(+200MHz on each core and memory, stable, without increasing voltage).

It's really sad that ithildin doesn't answer. There may be a solution to use bigger cards but I don't know that much about electrics, so I still don't know what exactly he meant. @goalque: Are you any smarter about this already? You wrote that you came to the same thought as he did but I guess you don't want to blindly harm your Akitio board just like me

@goalque: Please don't use one example of an AMD card not working as proof for every AMD card being unstable on Windows 8.1. I only had one AMD card and up to now 3 Nvidia cards. 2 Nvidia cards were/are stable(GTX 480, GTX 960) and one wasn't(GTX 780). One simply has to try which cards work and which don't. Do not generalize at this point. I'm still waiting for ithildin's answer regarding the mod he mentioned in my thread.

@Sp0t: You simply have to try which work. There is no proof that no AMD cards work.

I did not use the R9 280 any further as I needed to sell it again as soon as possible due to it being useless to me.

@ithildin: Will you provide the pictures? You may have found a general solution to the stability problems which is important.

This sounds interesting, yes.

Pictures are worth a thousand words

Yes, I have to agree that my theory seems to be not true.

I noticed the following things with my new Gigabyte GTX 960 Mini ITX, system is running by powered riser + ATX PSU(didn't want to use the Akitio PSU more than necessary):

1. I power up the ATX PSU before starting the Macbook, booting Windows: I don't have access to min/max settings under processor power options in energy settings. The processor is also stuck at full speed or shows wrong values.

2. I start the Macbook first, hold Alt, wait for the boot menu, then power up the ATX PSU and 2 cases are possible to happen(in both I've got access to said options again):

2.1 I see Windows starting on the Macbook display, it then switches to the external display and I've got both iGPU and eGPU present -> Optimus enabled. I've also got a constant load of ~15% by System. Something is wrong then. I shut Windows down. The "bad" MEIx64 lines are present in the event log then!

2.2 I boot Windows after the previous case, no boot can be watched on the internal display and the first picture I get is the Windows log in screen which is hidden by the set image(the colorful one by default). In this case the iGPU is disabled and the CPU speeds down. Only one MEIx64 line again.

3. I reboot to OS X, then reboot to Windows, both times by shutting down the Macbook first, and I am at 2.1 again.

Fastboot in Windows is disabled so that's why I don't understand why booting Windows twice results in different outcomes.

I still don't think any of those freezing problems are happening because of power issues. If I could run an hour of Furmark with GTX 780 OC by factory + OC by myself over more than one hour without crashing and short time later it crashes while starting up my browser, then what is wrong with the power? I tried the above starting variations with the GTX 780 too btw but it always crashed at some time.

There are definitely things happening at boot that differ(by card?) but I neither know why nor when exactly they do and what they're doing to the system.

@goalque: Please look at this measurement by Dschijn -> http://forum.techinferno.com/implementation-guides/8569-%5Bguide%5D-2011-11-macbook-air-gtx750ti%4010gbps-tb1-akitio-thunder2-osx10-10-a-5.html#post120806

In my eyes the 25W restriction is fictional and most probably only told to please Intel. Other adapters(Sonnet Echo Express SE II, OWC Mercury Helios) write the following "Minimium guaranteed power for PCIe slot: 25W". This implies they simply don't guarantee big cards like graphics cards to work so that Intel is happy.

Yesterday I fired a GTX 960 from Akitio's board slot with the Akitio PSU and a 6 pin pcie power plug from a ATX PSU. The system ran without issues which means that with a TDP of 120W and 6 pin pcie plug providing max. 75W the slot provided the remaining needed power of way more than 25W.

Your event log showing only one MEIx16 row and the system being stable is a good sign for my "theory".

@all: Please provide more information! It doesn't even take 5 minutes to see what the log shows. No matter if you've experienced difficulties or everything went smooth from the beginning.

Yes, powered riser. The card was crashing in Windows though and OS X didn't run long enough to see if it would have been stable there.

I've opened a thread regarding the instability here -> http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/8844-targeting-akitio-thunder2-pcie-boxs-stability-issues.html

It seems like there's something happening at boot time which causes the instability later on. It doesn't seem to be caused by powered risers or power related stuff at all. Maybe it's not even the Akitio.

Feb 14 2015 Tech Inferno Fan>> Anybody with instability should consider performing mod INFO: passing 75W slot power without a PCIe riser to pass 12V/75W to the slot without using a Gen2 signal-degrading powered PCIe riser.

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Forget about all of the following stuff in the spoiler. It seems to have been a wrong thought by myself and is rather connected to Optimus/iGPU not being disabled than the stability of a GPU itself.

Still, if you want to discuss the issue, this may be the right thread now as there other thoughts contained as well.

Hello Akitio Thunder2 users and @Tech Inferno Fan,

there are users whose setup isn't stable and crashes randomly. I was one of them and had kind of an odyssey until I got a stable system(again).

If you want to know about the stuff I experienced, read the background story(a bit longer):

I bought a MBPr 15" 2014 Iris Pro only base model in October '14 and received my Akitio Thunder2 PCIe box 2 weeks later. I already owned a GTX 480 and a ATX PSU which were used in my computer.

I started using the GTX 480 as eGPU and it worked out of the box really well. Though the performance was still good I already planned on replacing it some time before and finally got a good deal for a used GTX 780 some days before christmas.

Happily I replaced the GTX 480 and went on the same as before. Some time onwards I experienced a crash while gaming which showed up by stuttering sound and input being followed by a black screen.

The first time it happened I just thought it was bad luck but it showed up again and again. So I thought the card may get too hot in the case I had put it into and placed everything in the open on my desktop. While testing it happened again and again. I got confused. While reading on this board in the Macbook experiences thread I saw someone posting exactly those symptoms I had. He "fixed" it by switching his GTX 770 for a GTX 760. So I thought it may be a power consuming thing although my GTX 480 had 6+8 pin slots as well and is clearly known as a power hungry heater.

I had read that AMD cards could be used on external screens in OS X so I bought an Asus R9 280 Strix(6+8 pin too, unfortunately) to test this once, too. I cleaned drivers using DDU and installed Catalyst drivers. I tested and tested and then it happened again, same procedure but a white screen instead of black screen. Now I got tired of this stuff. I still thought of the PSU as a problem(it's more than 5 years old, multi rail) and bought a new single rail one.

Of course the same things happened again. I had put the R9 280 away so I could sell it again. If I'd find a solution I'd be using the GTX 780 anyway as it is the more powerful card.

In the following time I tried the following:

Akitio board - powered riser - 90 degree pcie angle - GTX 780 | ATX PSU only

Akitio board - powered riser - GTX 780 | ATX PSU only

Akitio board - GTX 780 | Akitio + ATX PSU

None of these combinations worked out to be stable.

I had replaced the powered riser already some time ago so this wasn't a reason either.

So I got: 2 ATX PSU, 2 powerful graphics cards, 2 risers, various combinations.

What I didn't replace was the thunderbolt cable and the adapter. Both didn't seem to be responsible for the symptoms in my view and I didn't want to buy another adapter.

So the GTX 960 was announced and appeared in stores some times later. It only needs a single 6 pin plug. I still thought it might be a power consumption issue although it did not seem plausible to me because full load was possible even with the GTX 780. The crashes appeared absolutely random and weren't reproducable.

Against my own common sense I bought a Gigabyte GTX 960 Mini OC in an online shop. In Germany we're able to send products back to the shop in between 14 days after receiving the good without a reason and we get our money back(if the good isn't obviously used and/or damaged, of course). I'd only need one day anyway because a day without a crash wasn't possible to achieve.

I received the card today and plugged it into the Akitio slot directly powering it with the Akitio PSU. The additional 6 pin plug was taken from the ATX PSU of course.

Good news: Not a single crash this day.

I had previously watching the system tab of the event viewer in Windows, which shows starting components, crasing drivers etc., while trying to find a reason for the crashes.

Back then I noticed the "Intel Management Engine Interface driver" being started at one point and then the same was being disabled and enabled again a short moment later. This only occured when the eGPU with the GTX 780 was plugged in and running.

It was the same for the R9 280.

Now guess what? My new GTX 960 doesn't produce those two entries and I'd say the GTX 480 didn't produce them as well. Unfortunately I had reinstalled Windows some days ago so my event viewer logs of the time when the GTX 480 was in use are gone. I hadn't thought about checking this before even though I noticed the stuff described above.

I asked @Dschijn if he had the same single entry only, because he was one of the users with a powerful card, Akitio Thunder2 and reportedly stable connection and he confirmed the single entry for his setup.

This would indicate that the issue isn't caused by power consumption but is a software or bios/efi(gpu) issue at boot. Even though the unstable systems crashed they could be put on high load and even overclocking wasn't an issue.

Otherwise I've only got a theory and at this point I need your help

If this can be confirmed by more users one can at least determine if the card will be either stable or crashing the system. It won't provide a solution to get a stable system with an unstable card for now though.

So, for all those of you having an Akitio Thunder2 in use and either have a stable or unstable system, do this:

Move to Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Event Viewer - (left panel) Windows Logs - System and watch for the following lines:

If you've got a stable system, only expect one line(green):

If you've got an unstable system, one line first(green), then two lines right after another(red), one warning, one information:

If you've got a stable system but the second set of entries, well then you've either been lucky or my theory is wrong.

All of this has been experienced in Windows 8.1 Pro, though Pro or not shouldn't result in a difference. If you use Windows 7, you may provide the screens or informations, too.

Thank you very much.

News what for? They already work after modifying the responsible Kext including external screens. See http://forum.techinferno.com/implementation-guides/8585-%5Bguide%5D-2014-15-macbook-pro-2x-r9_280x%4016gbps-tb2-netstor-na211tb-win8-1-osx.html

Had a R9 280 running OS X on external screen after following his guide with a Akitio Thunder2.

RE: http://forum.techinferno.com/implementation-guides/8558-%5Bguide%5D-macbook-enabling-optimus-internal-lcd-mode.html

@Evo*, does this still require an EVGA GPU to work properly? Or would it work the same with any make?

EVGA cards are able to enable Optimus without any modifications. The guide you've linked is especially for all the other cards which would boot without Iris Pro enabled. By following the guide and applying the stuff described you get Optimus with any Nvidia card.

That version of drivers used in Windows? I have same GTX480, and the load Windows boot have blue screen.

I used the usual Nvidia desktop drivers.

Did you try everything? Change video card, change PSU, try a differnet power socket in case have dirty power, plug the video card into the AKiTiO and use a barrel-to-molex adapter to power the unit from the ATX PSU? Perusing the Implementation Guides you'll see users trying various different power configurations.

I'll mention too that in the expresscard side of things we have seen variation of Gen2 tolerance amongst vendors cards. On the very same system, some video cards can run Gen2 (PCIe 2.0), whereas a small number will BSOD out unless run at Gen1 (PCIe 1.x). Affected users seeing a video card swapout resolving the problem.

I believe the same issue will cause problems with Thunderbolt systems.

w4vz is one of the rare users who hasn't had a straight forward successful implementation. Hardly a reason to forego the AKiTiO given the large number of users who've had a successful eGPU implementation with one. http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/6578-implementations-hub-tb-ec-mpcie.html#Thunderbolt

I was beginning with a GTX 480 and it worked for over a month. In this time the system only crashed 1-2 times which I thought might have been the graphics card running far too hot(it was dirty...). I then upgraded to a GTX 780 and the regular crashes began. I've since then swapped the ATX PSU twice(one used from a friend, one brandnew bought, both more than capable of firing the graphics card), bought another graphics card(Powercolor R9 280 at first, got changed to a Asus R9 280 due to coil whining, both the same symptoms) and used "No riser with Akitio PSU", "Riser and Akitio PSU", "Riser and 90° angle", "Riser and 90° angle and Akitio PSU". The riser is powered of course.

I tried different power outlets with different power strips, yet it doesn't change the outcome. Everytime it crashes but the time it takes to happen varies from "at login" over "shortly after boot" to "several hours with gaming, benchmarking and high usage of the graphics card"(previously today...).

Nvidia or AMD doesn't seem to matter.

The only thing I have not swapped is the Thunderbolt cable and I don't see this being the reason. Is it possible that the cable is defect? Is it possible the Akitio hardware is defect?

I also don't see why the Barrel-to-Molex adapter is supposed to help. If the Akitio board only delivers 25W to the pcie socket by design(Akitio PSU is already 60W but they say 25W for pcie slot), how's it changing anything if the barrel plug will deliver more power?

I don't see anything I can do anymore and I will give up at this point. I'll sell the Akitio Thunder2 and probably the Macbook as well, turning back to Desktop + Laptop. It's really sad because I really like the whole concept and was happy while it worked but I want a reliable system.

@gothic860: 290X has a different chip than 280X. Did you also add IOPCITunnelCompatible true value for the “AMDHawaiiGraphicsAccelerator” block in AMDRadeonX4000.kext?

@Morv: You might have a faulty riser. I bought a couple extra of them because I got one from eBay that didn’t work. I could try to power AKiTiO with a molex-to-barrel adapter + a powered riser together from the same power source (ATX PSU), and see if that helps to pass the Physics part in 3DMark11 test.

Confirm that you have installed the latest drivers from AMD: Apple Boot Camp Software Graphics Drivers (14.301).

I thought the same and already have purchased the second riser(which didn't change a thing, btw). I'm not using the Boot Camp drivers, I'm using the usual AMD drivers, 14.12 Omega Catalyst. Same for the GTX 780, usual Nvidia drivers.

I did the following tests:

1) R9 280X -> a powered riser (4pin molex) -> AKiTiO <- molex-to-barrel adapter + ATX PSU

Booted into Win8.1 without an external monitor connected, attached DVI cable to the 280X -> internal and external screen works (Evo*’s method used) -> a few minutes later blank white screen

2) The same configuration as with test 1) but now booted DVI cable attached from the beginning, only the external screen recognized, started a 3DMark11 test, during the physics test (power meter showing ~50W) it crashed the 3rd time, GPU fans started to run full speed. Crashing three times in physics test consecutively cannot be a coincidence.

3) R9 280X -> the same riser but not powered from the 4pin molex -> NA211TB -> 24pin ATX connector -> ATX PSU -> passed the 3DMark11 test as many times before.

Conclusion: Stability is not a AMD Win8.1 Boot Camp driver related. AKiTiO cannot handle constantly the feeded power from a powered riser only / a powered riser + molex-to-barrel adapter combination with the R9 280X. This explains why some cards are more stable and some are not. Those cards that are less dependent on the x16 slot power might work more reliable with the AKiTiO. NA211TB shares stable electricity for all the three PCIe slots. I am not an electronic engineer, but maybe someone has an idea how to properly power the AKiTiO. Maybe it needs soldering to run 100% any GPU. This is just my conclusion.

This may be true. Proper powering would probably be done by soldering the molex connector directly on the Akitio's pcie slot, as shown by nando in the Akitio Thunder2 thread(photos in first thread, he shows the area with a red marker). Problem is that I would need a detailed description so I'd know where to solder which cable as I don't have knowledge of the connection.

Still, thank you for your effort.

Could please be a bit more precisely?!

Is the whole system crashing -> shut down / reboot?

Or is just the driver crashing -> game stops -> back to Windows desktop?

The last option might be related to overclocked GPUs. I experienced problems like that when I overclocked my card too much.

System hangs, audio stutters, FPS decrease. Then black screen on Nvidia, white screen on AMD card. The driver crashes which can be seen in the Event Log of Windows. Sometimes the driver gets restored. It happens randomly even on desktop.

Indeed all of my cards, the old GTX 480, the newer GTX 780 and the freshly bought R9 280 Strix are overclocked by the vendor.

Though if a card is stable on high load for a time and then crashes sometimes in the same game or even on the desktop, is it really the OC? I don't think so. I was running Furmark for 15 minutes without problems.

Can a powered USB hub interfere with the thunderbolt stuff? I have a USB hub attached to my right USB slot of the Macbook so I can attach all the desktop stuff I need. I did not try to remove it and play then or moving it to the leftside USB slot.

So, I turned in my R9 280 with coil whining and got a Asus R9 280 Strix. Nice card, which is quiet overall. I also bought a new PSU(Corsair VS550, did not buy the VS450 in case I'll build a desktop again if I can't solve the issue)

Still, and that's the problem, the system crashed again.

So I switched everything except the Akitio board and the Thunderbolt cable and the issue is always the same: crashing graphics driver.

Any ideas?

EVGA GTX780 6GB was stable with the AKiTiO when I attached it directly to the x16 slot. At the moment, GTX780/GTX780Ti give the best OpenGL performance on OS X, not even GTX980 can beat them in OpenGL due to the fact that Nvidia drivers are not optimized for Maxwell architecture and OS X yet.

I try to clarify what I said. For instance, if you run the OS X version of Valley benchmark test in a window mode on external monitor, you can move it to the retina screen and still see much better FPS than Iris Pro can do. It’s the same behaviour regardless of the GPU (Nvidia or AMD). But you must have the correct Mac hardware or MVC’s modified GPU in order to enable Nvidia screen output. AMD is the key for eGPU screen output on OS X. Steam games often give you an option to choose the screen, but I haven’t seen a Mac game yet that can be moved to the internal screen (a mouse pointer is within the game window) so that it would be accelerated by the eGPU. By selecting the internal screen from the game menu, Iris Pro takes the job.

On Windows, I recently realized that the internal screen seems to be accelerated as well, because I can move and play games in retina screen too. I assumed this would be only possible with the Optimus/Nvidia technology, but AMD surprised me.

AMD gives enough OpenGL performance for my needs. OS X is not really a good gaming platform after all. I am much more interested in OpenCL calculation and rendering.

I'm not interested in heavy gaming on OS X either. It would have been just nice to not have to replug cables everytime I want to use OS X on my external display. Nvidia cards don't give any output to the external screen in OS X on a MBPr 15" 2014 Iris Pro only, I asked you in another thread where you stated this. Only OpenCL/CUDA calculations could be made with the attached graphics card but neither gaming nor output on the external display.

As for now, I'll have to see what exactly my problem is. In my edit I wrote that the AMD card also crashed. I don't know what exactly is wrong but it's starting to annoy me. Especially because those crashes seem to appear totally random and can not be reproduced at will. I really hope it's simply my PSU which is dying of old age because if it isn't I don't have any more ideas...

Thank you though.

Ok, got a R9 280(aka HD7950). Works like a charm in OS X after editing some kexts as described by goalque in his R9 280X Crossfire thread. Internal and external display both work parallel. External has got the power of the eGPU, internal does not. Tested Unigine Valley and got 23-35 FPS on Extreme HD setting. Iris Pro gives about 6-13 FPS.

Windows works as usual, external display only. Didn't test Evo*'s modification which shall enable internal display on Windows too, as described by goalque in said thread.

I'm using an Akitio Thunder2.

Unfortunately the card has unacceptable coil whining in Windows so I hope I'll get another one.

Thanks to goalque at this point.

Edit: Eeehm ok. It just crashed in Windows the way it did before(graphics driver crashed). I guess I'll have to replace my PSU. It's the only part left which I didn't replace yet. Thought it would be ok because it could the most load I could put on it and only crashed now and then and even on Desktop without anything open than a browser. Bought another riser already and the graphics card today. This somewhat sucks =/

I can only say that I did not. Had a GTX 480 and since I swapped it for a GTX 780 I got random driver restores and crashes. I don't know what is wrong with that combination.

Yes, AKiTiO was powered by the riser only (two 12V yellow + two black ground wires + a capacitor) and a Silverstone's 450W 80+ Gold SFX PSU. I just plugged 6pin + 8pin power cables to the GPU, then did the "paper clip" method, power on the PSU from the power strip, and finally turn on MBP (TB cable plugged). That's it.

Sorry, I don't own a 2011 MBP, so cannot say much more about it. But I am happy to help with the questions regarding 2014 15" MBPr Iris Pro. Internal screen is accelerated on OS X, if you keep the external as main screen (you can move the bar under display preferences). On OS X it depends on the application how OpenGL acceleration is programmed, external monitor full screen apps should be accelerated always.

As my GTX 780 keeps crashing randomly(driver restored or it's totally gone and I need to reboot) I'm thinking about getting a R9 280 as a replacement. What do you mean with the passage "Internal screen is accelerated on OS X"? Can I use the internal display in OS X together with the external display? Can I play games on it like Optimus in Windows? Using both displays(internal + external) alone without gaming would be nice, too. I don't use internal screen for gaming right now due to performance loss, so I guess I wouldn't mind losing it.

All this on MBPr 15" 2014 Iris Pro only. What about Windows? I'm really curious about this. I don't like that I can't use the external display in OS X without plugging cables in and out, so I'm looking forward to this.

Thank you.

Huh... but is there a reason it is limited in time? Is it code and can't be changed? Is it limited because it's beta and not supposed to work without any limitation? I don't see any reason to limit it in time.... pity us

It is hardcoded in the program. If you change the date of your computer to a date before expiry date it works again. I have no idea why he is limiting it like this though. Betas should be limited somehow so users stop using and complaining about an obsolete version once the release version has been published. This is alright. But the way he does it is just annoying. I for myself just don't want to be dependent on him or his software(although it's good, no question) as long as it is like this.

The XTU tool isn't saving them outside of the software. So it needs to be running. You can save it as a profile and load that profile with every boot (still have to open the tool).

The ThrottleStop 7.0 beta is better. You can safe it as a profile, load that profile by default and autostart the app.

Unfortunately the ThrottleStop beta is limited in it's time (maybe 30days?).

Maybe @Tech Inferno Fan can tell us where to get a ThrottleStop App which beta isn't "running out"?!

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Oh, I can quit it? Good to know, thanks ^^

But why close it if it is already open?

I have no idea, I don't do that, just tested it. I let it run once it's open but minimize it to tray, mostly because of the temperature history.

The beta thing being limited in time was one reason I stopped using ThrottleStop because you simply can't rely on it that way. I had to disable throttling in my 2013 Asus notebook because the cooling system was capable of cooling the CPU but Asus throttled the CPU when the GPU got too "hot"(it was pretty fine...). It was at this moment that the ThrottleStop stopped working because of the time limit and unclewebb, the creator, seemed to be annoyed by the users asking for a new usable version. I then wrote my own program which did only exactly what I needed. It's kind of an arrogant behaviour to me("bow to me, my users, beg for a new version") which is the reason I simply refuse to use his software.

Integrate an update routine and it would be fine and no more expiring betas would be needed...