thanats007

you should make a new thread about it in the alienware M14x section. That way all M14x useres can read about it.

No need to make a new thread... my info wasnt correct. The temperature raises now at the 3rd day of using the "new designed heatsink" slowly to the same temps as before. Looks like it was only at the first day when the temp were lower. Actucally i can see 94 degree celsius but 89 at the first day of the heatsink replacement. So i doubt its a new design - they just lied to me to calm me down when i was raging about the extreme heat my laptop produces. :/

Also when i asked them now why the temps are raising again every day they dont want to know anything about a "new designed heatsink". They cant remember ever telling me about it. Now i will get a mainboard replacement of the same type but as they say "better cooling performance"... I doubt it is the truth.

Sry for the confusion.

I think your only option would be to opt for a custom design like @svl7 is doing on his beast. I doubt there is an aftermarket drop in solution. Though given the seriousness of the problem I would think fairly large numbers could be sold.

Recently Dell created an improved Heatsink for the M14X which may be another reason why the R2 is cooler than the R1 additonally to the cooler CPU.

They changed my Heatsink to the new variante (which looks very similar) and my temperatures are now down to 89 degree celsius (98 degree celsius before) under heavy workload (CPU and GPU max usage). Its still throttling cause of the 85 degree throttling limit but when only playing games my temperatures go max to 83 degree celsius which is below the throttling limit.

The GB support technics also told me that there is a new mainboard mod for the R1 which also reduces the temperature. It could be a voltage mod or integrated heatpipes who knows. When i get my mainboard replacement i will post you my new temps . hopefully there will be no more throttling when rendering and playing games for example.

Sry Mumak couldnt find the proper thread. Could you post us a link?

Well I can see that being annoying too... M18x uses large fans at 4000rpm... I'm guessing M14x is a small fan and at 5400rpm must sound very winey! A better heatsink may have been better.

This sounds like an interesting idea. Do you know if it would be possible to exchange the heatsink and if so which one would fit into the chassis? I would offer to post my results after modding my M14x with an alternativ heatsink.

Well good question we would have to see someone who actually has one of them and get some statistics from them. The main problem I see is in all these laptops they are doing things wrong. They emphasize letting the components heat up to temps which hinder function of the hardware all before the fans even spin up. Even the flagship M18x suffers from that but isn't rendered as unusable as the M14x R1...

The fan tables in all these laptops should activate much higher fan speeds well before heat has become a real issue. It takes much more to get rid of built up heat than to maintain a lower temp pre-emptively. Basically all these laptops would benefit from haveing fans be at medium at say 50c and maybe 60-65 medium high fan speeds and 65-70 full. Then temps would not climb sky high from the start and no more after the fact cooling.

But at same time on models of the M14x I do also see the other issue is simply inadequate heatsink setup for the cpus.

That's why most of us who game hard lol we use Mumak's fan control to master the situation ourselves. Though for the M14x R1 this maynot be enough as I heard on full fans it still doesn't curb the heat of the M14x R1 cpu as you have stated.

Hopefully you can get more info on the Ivy Bridge version you were looking for.

Reports I read was that temps should be somewhat fine but if one uses the 3920xm and overclocks as soon as they need more volts maybe 4.4-4.5ghz range they heat up more than Sandybridge. That would be because the sandy die was shrunk in fabrication size and in how big the die is. Had they use the 22nm but same size die anyway... There would be more material to absorb the heat and therefore less heat... Oh well

I totally agree that the actual fanspeed table of the M14x R1 should be like you said. But the fan noise is so disturbing at these speeds ~5600 RPM that they made the fanspeed table more like the users wanted it to be and that was more quiet and therfor more heating up. And to be honest i prefer less performance but the disturbing noise the fans would do if they start to kick in at ~5600 RPM at much lower temps.

Mumak thank you for your never ending hard work and devotion to keeping HWiNFO updated as its the number one monitoring program. (atleast to me)

Please Tech Inferno if there is anyone that is receiving or has an Ivy Bridge based Alienware Laptop please grab HWiNFO's beta in the above post and report how its working. Thank you kindly.

I would be very interested to know if you can let Intel TurboBoost activated with the Ivy Bridge M14x`s without overheating till 100 degree like with the M14x Sandy Bridges when playing Games or using both CPU and dedicated graphics. Cause thats the main reason for all the needed! fan modding with the M14x R1.

Even when only using the CPU at max workload the temps run near the 90 degree limit (M14x R1) and only dont go higher due to the throttling at 85 degree which decreases the clockspeed to cool the system down a bit to stop system shutdown or damage.

The dedicated GPU is not the problem at all - it only goes to around 65 degree at max workload and therefor is relatively cool. The CPU is the problem in the M14x R1 - or better to say the cooling management of this CPU in this system is.

But even there have to be some M14x R2 users around i cant find more than 1 very unspecific posts about the temp behaviour of the new M14x R2 under heavy workload and with activated TurboBoost. Im just curious.

Join the conversation in the fan control thread maybe the issues can be worked around more. Btw having the fan rpm readings shown at all in the sensor window causes latency on the Dell ec me and Mumak suggest disabling those via Sensor window config. Just give a read the the tale end of the HWiNFO fan control thread. AZNPOS posted there and is using your M14x with fan control and no latency issues but on rare occasion he had fan speed drops and is working with us to solve it. Using not the Dell EC cpu temp reading might help solve some fan drop probs we are currently seeing if IntelCPU#0 sensor with cpu temp may run the temp based fan profile you set up better. Either way you would benefit reading that thread more towards the end of it.

The bios fan control hasnt worked for any of these generation Alienware laptops i have same settings in mine and they have no effect since the EC controls all fans in our rigs.

If you want an alternative thought is enable turbo again but set up "Throttle Stop" and tell it tohave two profiles. Normal use and overheating... In the overheating profile set it to non turbo ranges have it be profile 2 and the normal speeds profile 1. Enable alarm on the bottom left in Throttle Stop options and set a DTS temp to switch to the non turbo if you heat up that much... its going to work great like that. Then you have turbo but it runs safer clocks based on a temp you set to switch to that profile. So DTS is the temperature distance from your current temp to the cpus thermal protection temp most are 100c-105c. So set this to what you think is fair. You could set it to 20DTS and it would turn turbo off at 80c+. Then set the profile to switch to under the DTS number you set for the alarm so profile 2 in this case. make sure Throttle Stop is on and now it should be active as soon as 80c is reached youll be on profile 2 now turbo but under 80c it will automatically run profile 1 and can switch very quickly on demand between the two profiles as needed.

In this thread post two i describe the process again and with pics... we have different cpus but it will all work the same.

http://forum.techinferno.com/alienware-m18x/1491-2920xm-overclocking-guide-detailed-results.html

Hm interesting. I will test how it works with disabled monitoring options. I need to setup something first cause of the bluescreen hangups to prevent damage. And yes the EC Compal fanspeed settings can have bugs at specific fanspeeds. Means it runs lower at some temps even when you set it to a higher rpm. Best would be EC Compal for the detailed possibility of different fanspeeds (1900 / 2900 are nearly not noticable cause of the accoustic frequency it produces f.e.) but it also cause dangerous lockups and BSODs.

Most stable and easiest solution would be to fix the Dell EC mod so it runs at the 3 fixed fanspeeds but with different low and high fanspeeds we can manually adjust. I found out that the problem of the modded Dell EC is that is has no steppings at all which causes I/O errors and therefor BSODs whatever the concrete reason may be... The original Dell EC in fact has more than these 3 Speeds 0, 3000, 5000 as the mod has (in A08 for sure). It has slight steppings around these fixed Steps of (in fact 2100 / 3100 / ~4800 <-not sure on this). It increases and decreases the speed relative slowly at my A08 Bios so its not instant at the 3 fixed fanspeed unlike the Dell EC mod of HWINFO.

And thanks for the throttlestop infos i might try this workaround!

Your better of using that program HWiNFO for the fan control you were seeking from the bios we have a whole section devoted to HWiNFO fan control.

http://forum.techinferno.com/hwinfo32-64-discussion/65-alienware-fan-control-new-post.html

also my review here has most of the instructions all in one guide here: Products and User Reviews -- Tech|Inferno Forum just click HWiNFO from there

Of course im using HWINFO for fancontrol but its very unstable and incompatible with M14x. The EC mode produces lockups and freezes and the Dell Factory Mode with the only 3 fanspeeds 0, 3000 and 5000 at A08 produces extreme high latencys, so every applications hangs for about 1 sec every 5-10 seconds - thats very annoying.

The only use for HWINFO when it comes to fancontrol of M14x is when im surfing, chatting or reading i can set it to the EC mode as long as i dont use any CPU intense applications or i get the lockups/freezes. When i want to start a game etc. i have to manually set EC to none off then set to system auto to prevent any lockups/freezes. Thats the best workaround yet.

Anyway this is a bit complicated it helps to make my 2 Alienwares very quiete when temps are only at about 50-60 degree with low workload.

Hope these infos help you Pros to advance your nice tools for us thankful Users .

Greetings

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Btw would be great if anyone has an idea but to repaste how to cool the M14x enough so i can enable Turbo in BIOS again^^.

2,4 ghz is plenty for most apps but i would love to use the Turbo if needed for longer than till it throttles. I also dont want to wreck my lovely Toy :<.

edit: and yes i crafted some feet for it so it has better airflow below 4 cm at the backside and 3 cm at the frontside - but it only gives me about -5 degrees.

First i have to thank you svl7 for the nice work youve done and that you shared it for free!

But i cannot get the fanspeed mod to work in the unlocked A08 BIOS. I tried to change from 55 degree to 60 degree for low fan speed and 70 to 75 degree for high fan speed. But when i monitor the behaviour of the temps and fans in windows with hwinfo64 it still remains at the fixed rates of DELL. And yes i saved my BIOS settings and restarted some times but still no effect from the BIOS mod.

Any idea why that is ?

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