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These are all systems that until now used to ship and have been reviewed with overclock enabled vBIOS. The only way they can still fix this is to let the next driver ignore the new "core OC disable" bit, which now appears to be present in every single vBIOS made since December.
Did I get this correct? Those cards have had a vBios revision of allready fabricated cards in order to block them? Plus: If nVidia should choose not to ignore this new bit, the OC will instantly be locked again? Plus: nVidia planed on dooing this since december?
Best regards and thank you for the insights.
phila
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i hope so . Atm playing on my 60 mhz screen hate it T_T . If anyone have backup of gtx 980M 8GB for Alienware will be really nice if i can have copy:) . Thanks
Hi there. You want to send a pm to Mr. Fox. He should be able to provide an AW stock vbios. On the other hand I do not think that the vBios has any effect on the functionability of the external screen.
Best regards
phila
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Hi! I am glad to hear you finally succeeded flashing the card.
Unfortunately I am not into external monitors.
When I connect my beamer to my notebook all I have to do is activate it through the windows cham bar...
But you say the monitor is not recognized at all? Have you checked the hardwaremanager? Perhaps you`ll need a special driver?!
Best regards
phila
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Sounds weired...
Could be a case for Mr.Fox. He ought to know about flashing Alienware Bios.
Then again: When did you buy your card? And did you get it single or as part of a preconfigured notebook?
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phila
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O.k. perhaps you have to disable the safety function in the bios... Have you tried this allready?
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phila
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Hi i have problem with flashing guide . I have flash in past 780m in dos without any problems . Atm i have new 980m 8gb and trying flash it in windows and i have this information when flashing
mnvflash -6 romname.rom
i get
ERROR: Unable to open NVFLASH Driver <0x0000000005>
GPU is disabled in Device Menager
Please some1 help
ThanksHi there!
1.) Is your romname to long by accident? It should not have more than 8 letters I guess.
2.) Are you using mnvflash as provided in the startingpost? As good old nvflash won`t do the job anymore on Win 8.x
Best regards
phila
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Figured MSI will remove any blocks from their machines just like they do with their desktop cards. Clevo and Dell just take whatever nVidia feeds them.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
I guess this is some sort of janus-headed statement. On one hand they will not remove the blocks actively - as anyone kwnos they have their modder/moderator "Svet" who will do this on request - without MSI having to choose sides.
Anyhow. I think I`ll go with Clevo next time as through svl7 and Prema we got the best support!
Best reagrds
phila
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After I posted Premas information on the garmen PCGHX Forums the german hardwaresite PCGamesHardware cared to release an article that qoutes Prema and sides this with an actual statement by MSI that seems to point in the same direction:
MSI bestätigt derweil indirekt ein solches Vorgehen von Nvidia, hier die wortwörtliche Stellungnahme: "MSI plant derzeit keine Änderung an den Übertaktungsmöglichkeiten der MSI-Gaming-Notebooks. Die aktuellen Aussagen von Nvidia zu dem Thema haben keinen Einfluss auf unser Produktdesign.Meanwhile MSI indirectly confirms this manouever by nVidia. This is their literal statement "MSI is not planing to Change the overclockability of the MSI-Gaming-Notebooks. nVidias actual statements have no influence on our product design.Best regard
phila
P.S.: Guess I`ll be going back to Clevo next time ;-)
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Hi. Thanks for the reply.
Is the voltage unaltered?
Hi. No in fact svl7 slightly undervolted the card with that bios. Stock you will get more vor less. 1200mhz at only 1000mv instead of the usula 1037mv
Best regards
phila
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Hi. After flashing my GTX980m 8GB, I get 1202mhz core running stock. Shouldn't it be 1037? Or is your modded bios pre-overclocked? Thanks.
Hi! I guess that is the way it`s intended. You can downclock it at will. Anyhow there is no "boost" anymore - instead you are in command aof a card that offers you the full performance.
Best regards
phila
P.S.: I need you advice. I want to OC my card for gaming purposes. I tested svls7s Bios which allows me to go up to 1282 mhz (stable) anyhow if i do not limit the frames the card will get really hot ;-)
How did you guys solve this problem Do you play with FPS lock all the time? Do you downclock on the fly?
P.P.S. I`d like to reach really "awesome" scores in Firestrike - anyhow using svl7s Bios it seems I can not get past 1322mhz (even with 1100mv) - my PC will draw up to 208W at the max - yet my PSU is said to have 230W.
You got any ideas???
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After I wrote a user news on the PCGH forums. The german hardware mag "PCGamesHardware" - based on Premas post - features a small headline about the 900m series Bios-Lock issue.
They also state that they are allready in contact with different OEM-Partners to find out more about who is interensted in selling locked cards.
Maxwell Mobile: OC bei GTX-900M könnte selektiv durch BIOS verhindert werden
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phila
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...i request other GT72 users oc'ing history to see here achieving a true analyze about gtx980m...
My Card is running on stock voltage (Because of what Prema told recently I guess I won`t tweak voltage.) with the following values 1126 base / 1278 boost and 2885 vRam written directly into the vBios. I never had any crash with those settings.
Best regards
phila
P.S.: Should`nt we have an extra thread for this questions as it deems me to be slightly OT?!
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Did you mod your own vBIOS, use Prema's, or svl7s to put your values in? NVidia can not block vBIOS flashing unless they move to a secure vBIOS that requires signed vbios files. The driver reads the value from the BIOS and does as it's told. This is even more true now that the desktop and laptop drivers are identical.
I was over in the MSI Forums and got in contact with a very polite Mod there. He has an Mod request thread in the GT72 Notebooks section there. He asked me to send me the bios... And sent me the modded bios back - together with an installer ;-)
In fact I only had to disable the GTX980 in the System Manager and run the .bat file e sent me... So - it was not my doing...
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?board=51.0
Best regards
phila
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Wow Guys look what I got here:
One can have the settings desired written down in the bios an get them to work with the latest drivers (for now).
Best regards
phila
P.S. I only asked to apply the usual +135mhz + some extra 330 mhz vRam. But it works! I am glad!
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Hi svl7!
Will I be able to use your Maxwell vBios Mod on my MSI GT72 Notebook?
Will you in reaction to the "Maxwell lockdown" offer different vBios Mods with preset GPU/vRam clocks?
Best regards and thank you for your work!
phila
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I got into a discussion about this with several desktop users. Sadly, they totally support Nvidia's decision. I don't get why, even after all the evidence introduced, people still think that modern gaming laptops are incapable of dealing with the heat introduced while overclocking.
I got responses like, "Speaking as an engineer and not a consumer, trust Nvidia engineers in the assumption that in the majority of cases not allowing OC is a good idea."
Such ignorance. I don't even have a 900 series mobile GPU, but I can totally see the consequences of these actions.
I sent this story along with a link to the petition to every gaming news site I could think of to try and drum up more coverage. There are a lot of people who haven't considered OC now but may in the future and they have no idea about this. Sadly, there's been no response.
Hi thank you fro your kind words in regard to our problem. Notebook OC is a good example to see how hard it is to fight a myth... In my forums it is the same thing. On one hand I do not blame people that they do not know about the possibilities, on the other hand it makes me sad that they start writing before they have done the latest research (I probably should check my own performance here ;-).
Best regards
phila
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I still hope that Prema is right about the TDP thing. If he was then this all could well be a savety issue that is overcome with the next generation.
And perhaps (I am daydreaming here) the OC feature will reapear without any further explenation.
Best regards
phila
P.S.: Do you guys think we will need to use the new drivers when DX12 arrives?
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This is terrible news for us laptop gamers who loved to overclock..looks like all of us are going to be married to the driver 344.75 id rather switch to amd if NVIDIA doesnt re enable overclocking or switch to desktop this is retarded..
I was looking desperately for first news about the R9 M300 series allready... Unfortunately it won`t be all to strong. On the other hand: I bought nVidia recnetly because they could be maxed out by overclocking. Without this "feature" I wonder if I am going to buy one of those cards again - especially as they are almot twice as expensive.
About beeing married to the 344.75/80: This will surely change when the drivers that support DX12 are out. Then one will have to make a tought decission. I guess nVidia - as much as I despise it - has picked the time for this step wisely. Ans sooner and many of us woud have thought twice before buying a deadend card like the 970m/980m.
Best regards
phila
P.S.: I wonder if there is a chance that modders like the guys form LaptopVideo2go can edit the latest drivers accordingly?!
P.P.S.: Sorry for the double post!!!
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Is it still possible to OC with a modded vbios after the nvidia driver lockdown?
And to add to this:
1.) If one flashes the vBios: Will the recent drivers (347.52 for example) allow to adjust the clocks & voltage via NVinspector or MSI Afterburner?
2.) Or will all the OCing have to be done directly via vBios?
Best regads
phila
P.S.: Can I use svl7s Bios mod on my MSI GT72 without harm or will I need a special vBios? - At best I`d like to recive an answer from the master himself ;-)
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First of all - I don't think an online petition will change anything, at all. I'm absolutely convinced Nvidia gave this some thorough thoughts in advance.
As always, the "official" statement is very Nvidia-like. It's deceptive, twists the through and most likely is even an utter lie (for some parts).
"GeForce notebooks were not designed to support overclocking."
That statement is wrong in so many ways. E.g. Asus even provides software OC support for its G-series notebooks. MSI (until very recently) stated overclocking headroom as one of the features of their high-end mobile devices. Nvidia having the guts to say that all notebooks that have a green GPU inside aren't "designed" for overclocking is a pathetic effort to blame OEMs in general and distract from the fact that it indeed works incredibly well on many higher-end systems.
Of course there are many systems with on-board solutions that do not have the thermal headroom for higher clocks, more volts, etc., however that's not *all* systems and certainly not the ones that actually got overclocked. Due to the driver throttling as soon as the temp gets critical you can't even overclock a system with insufficient thermal headroom and get decent results.
The only systems that get overclocked by a lot of users are those which are very well capable of running the hardware a certain amount above stock clocks. And it works well. Maybe too well in the eyes of Nvidia, see post by @Brian.
Let's talk about pushing hardware to the limits and potentially endangering the hardware or shortening its life... well the GPUs can handle the additional load with no problem whatsoever. Same silicon is used on desktop cards which run on distinctly higher clocks as well as voltage. "Overclocking is by no means a trivial feature, and depends on thoughtful design of thermal, electrical and other considerations". Yeah, well, the GPU can handle increased current etc. very well, we don't even have to discuss this. Naturally mobile systems are limited by the power supply circuits and so on, but that only means that you can't even reach the max overclock before you run into issues, so even less harm done.
Assuming the average power users is not a bencher (and I think that assumption is reasonable), an overclock aims to maximize performance while maintaining stability, all within a thermal frame that allows the GPU to run without thermal throttling. If we assume this to the be regular aim of someone who overclocks his notebook, all the issues that Nvidia points out are invalid. Cause the GPU itself is very well capable of handling additional load, and you can't push a mobile system so far that you'd get to limits where you're above speeds, power draw levels etc. that you see in desktop parts, cause by this time (assuming the power supply circuits could hold up, which they don't) you would have run into heat issues a long time ago, resulting in a throttling GPU.
That's why this point is completely invalid as well.
I don't say you can't damage your GPU with overclocking. Most people actually that manage do damage their systems with overclocking don't damage the GPU itself, but the vram (e.g. those certain users that seem to have a fetish for high memory overclock to compensate for their lack benching skills...). Yet I don't think this point is that important at all. There are easier ways to damage a system, and people always manage to do it. So far I haven't killed a single GPU with overclocking, and I seriously abused some of them.
"There was a bug introduced into our drivers which enabled some systems to overclock"
It's not like I can proof it, but this really, really stinks. If this hasn't LIE written all over it then I don't know what a lie is. And Nvidias current track record certainly isn't helping their credibility *cough* 3.5GB *cough*. At least ALL mobile Nvidia parts ever since Fermi, heck even the G92 generation, definitely allowed to be overclocked. Every single Nvidia MXM part had the ability to overclock. Same goes for the GM104 Maxwell series as well as GM204.
I can't say for sure why Nvidia decided to kill overclocking for mobile parts, but some strong points have been raised in this thread already. First of all it certainly has to do with money. Not enough competition helps, you can do whatever you want basically. (Move you ass AMD and release some new MXM shit...!!).
Recently the Nvidia rebadges have been basically worthless thanks to certain vbios mods
. Did you ever notice that +135MHz limit on Kepler mobile (yeah, desktop parts don't have this...). That's definitely related with making rebadged cards with higher clocks more of an option. Disabling overclocking makes the point a lot more clear. You want more speed? Buy a new card. It's the same one, but it runs faster. A bit. Cause we want you to sell another one in a couple of months.
Yeah, fuck you guys.
Which brings me to an important point (which unfortunately won't be followed by most users):
Don't buy Nvidia if you don't approve of what they're doing. That would be the only way to actually change anything. I know it won't happen, people will still go and buy, upgrade... and Nvidia will never change. It needs to hurt them before they consider changing anything. That's also why we need AMD around. See G-Sync, the whole GK110 fraud with Titan, then 780 and then 780Ti. Not to mention the 970...
Nvidia is clever enough to increase the pain level in small steps, +135Mhz limit... right, we got a workaround for that, all fine. No more vbios flashing... right, we got rid of that as well, all fine. No more overclocking by software... whoopsie. We might find a workaround. Or we flash the vbios. But what's NEXT? No more working drivers with unsigned vbios? Well, that'd be my bet.
That's the way hardware seems to take these days.
For most guys it didn't start to become noticeable until secure flash was introduced. All in the name of security. Certainly not because a manufacturer doesn't want you to use a modified firmware that allows for much refined control of your hardware, nooo... it's about security. To keep away those nasty firmware rootkits that everyone suffers from, because they're so easy to code and work on any mobo with ease. (Hint for the thick ones: look up 'sarcasm').
Secure flash... making it virtually impossible to flash unsigned firmware by means of using software. Who profits? Microsoft. Big style. No more Windows activating per bios mod. Locking out Linux distros. All in the name of security. Cause that works so damn well. By the way, same reason nvidia is locking down on vbios flashing. No more overclocking, but also locking out nouveau, the open source nvidia driver that is mainly based on tons of reversing of the nvidia blob. All in the name of security.
What's next? Intel boot guard. No, wait, that's already here. Good bye Coreboot.
Ah right, Intel PFAT... good bye bios mods in general. And ME mods.
Locked out hardware can be exciting, if there's a lock. Cause I can still afford lock picking tools and teach me some skills. It's actually a challenge, it's fun. However, if there isn't a lock but instead a bloody atomic shelter that's been concreted over... the fun ends.
The heck, if it was just for money making... I'd even pay $100 for an overclocking warranty.
The only OEM that ever went with this is Intel. And it was distinctly cheaper.
For my part: The most elaborate post on the topic! Thx!
Best regards
phila
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While overclocking via bios flash will work, who knows for how long. Nvidia may start overriding the bios gpu clocks with the driver.
If only amd figured out how to make a faster card in the past 3 years after the 7970m
You think OC of the card will work despite the restrictive drivers?
Best regards
phila
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This is terrible news for us laptop gamers who loved to overclock..looks like all of us are going to be married to the driver 344.75 id rather switch to amd if NVIDIA doesnt re enable overclocking or switch to desktop this is retarded..
If only AMD did manufacture more potent cards... I`d sell my notebook today. That`s what happens when a company has to few competitors...
Best regards
phila
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How did this guy over on the nVidia Forums put it:
Best regards
phila
P.S.: To be al littel more constructive... Is there a chance that there will be a workaround?
GTX 9xxM overclocking thread
in Clevo
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Next Notebooks is from one of your partner shops!
Best regards
phila