Ethrem

How's the performance of the new driver? My Comcast just went out so I can't check.

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We all know this but nVidia is now shipping new cards with a locked vbios.

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14 points is well within the margin of error. Curious.

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Well, that's not the case for some ppl. For example, me. I got this vBIOS just to change that thermal/power limit thing and I'm not planning to oc/undervolt it yet.

Also, since it's an oc vbios, keeping it at stock will give OCers a better reference. There's really no need to pre-undervolt for them since, well, like you said, they know their cards best and they know what they are doing and, they need the easiest way to restore everything to stock just in case.

Just that one can hit high at stock voltage with some cards does not necessarily ensure that all cards can handle it perfectly, even at stock freq.

That's my opinion though. No offense/disrespect to anybody including svl. He's done a great job.

Did you try changing the driver yet?

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Yeah, I know. It's best to do it after the pc has been on for a while so that the paste will be more fluid. I use those alcohol wipes that come in a big cylinder container. I don't have to change or do anything now. I was just saying that the next time I have to, I will try out GC Extreme.

Those wipes are likely to cause the die to get scratched. What helps the most is just getting the alcohol puddled on there to start breaking it down and gently removing it.

That's the end result of me using those alcohol pads on my $1000 4940MX... That scratch that goes all the way across... I thought I cracked the die or something at first. It looks much worse in reality.

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So what's up with the new drivers:

341.44

345.20

that were just released?

Did they block this trick? Do they perform better than one in OP? Or is it a real security patch with no strings attached?

Seems odd to release drivers with older numbers. I wouldn't trust nVidia right now.

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Good thread. I have IC diamond on now and it's tough to get off when the computer hasn't been on. That means it'll probably take years before I have to change it. But when I have to, I shall get that GC Extreme.

Have you already taken off the heatsink? If so you need to replace the paste for optimal temperatures as you inevitably introduced air bubbles in there and air keeps the heat trapped.

The easiest way to remove IC Diamond is with 90+% rubbing alcohol and qtips, gently roll the qtip soaked with the alcohol across the die, do the same thing with the other end of the qtip and it should start coming off without scratching the die, just keep using qtips until they no longer turn gray at all then take a micro fiber cloth and gently rub the die to get any residue left by the alcohol off and apply your new paste.

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Well since we all love conspiracy theories, how this one for a change?

So Asus is behind this? Thoughts?

Basically guy started talking about how nVidia is locking down the drivers due to a spontaneous wave of THOUSANDS of RMAs, and when I pressed him for a credible source that's all I got.

It's from a certain overclocking place.

No way in hell. ASUS would get slammed with a lawsuit. They provide software to overclock the GPU. They advertise overclocking as a feature. The real culprits would most likely be Dell. I doubt Clevo would have a hand in it but it's possible.

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If the Ballistix OC to 2133 CL10, I'll be very happy with that. Just looking for something to make it worthwhile to upgrade over 1600 CL9. My current ram is 1866 10-10-10-28

Keep in mind that how high you can clock your RAM depends on your CPU's IMC.

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Agreed on svl's awareness. But that's another bad move made by nv if that's the case. Also I would recommend svl to leave the voltage unaltered since the driver would overclock the card/some cards can't even handle it at stock.

Well since this is an overclocking vbios, I can almost guarantee you that he will tell you to go to 344.75 as overclocking is completely disabled in 347 series. These cards can likely go even lower than 1v at stock frequencies as evidenced by how high they clock at stock voltage.

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Well nVidia tweaked the 347 series for roughly 20% better performance, it seems it may be overclocking the card. Downgrade to 344.75 and see if the clock goes down. Svl7 knows not all cards are created equal, I doubt he would overclock the vbios while dropping the voltage.

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i just finished a one week tweaking marathon with my corsair vengeance sticks, you have NO idea how many times i had to reboot due to system crashes *lol* didnt take out the cmos battery even once

Good to know. I doubt these sticks will even do 1866 though so it's probably not worth it. I want the Ripjaws kit but can't stomach 300 bucks for memory.

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In fact I'm experiencing some "display driver stopped responding" issues after flashing. I did notice that core voltage is a little bit low.

Is it my card that sucks or svl's that is beyond average? I'm not sure if this (crashing @[email protected]) sounds normal to you. Maybe it's just mine.

Raise the voltage 25mv and see if it continues. Some cards can't handle an undervolt. And 1200MHz? Are you running 347 series drivers or did svl7 set it at that? That's a good boost over the stock 1100 something.

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thats the good thing about intel xtu though: if u set unstable settings, then everything reverts back to default at the next reboot thats also why i prefer using xtu as compared to direct bios setting...

Are you sure that is the case for memory? On every machine I've ever owned, if I pushed the memory too far the machine wouldn't POST for the watch dog to reset the settings. Otherwise I would have tried to tweak my Wintec memory I have right now.

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Hi. No in fact svl7 slightly undervolted the card with that bios. Stock you will get more vor less. 1200mhz at only 1000mv instead of the usula 1037mv

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phila

Was wondering if he set it to 1v, I'm running Prema's and its running 1065mv.

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Eh didn't want that. I want something that is fast all the time, since I dual boot Linux. Not interested in Windows only OC software. Hence why I have a 4790K that is always 4 ghz or faster.

The settings stick. I believe the Intel Management Engine that is hooked into the BIOS is responsible for saving that info.

well in that case theres no way around premamod

intel xtu actually changes the settings in the system bios, but not sure if it would stick in linux as well. could be worth a try!

Sticks in Linux just fine. At least CPU overclocking does. I would assume memory would as well. I haven't tried to overclock my memory because I don't want to have to pull my CMOS battery if I push the settings too far. Last time I had to pull that I broke the clip and the pins came out, took me about 10 minutes to push the pins back in.

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If you care about memory performance find some old M471B5273DH0 sticks. You can expect CL9 2133 or CL11 2400, maybe even CL10 2400.

These sticks have a measly 1600Mhz or 1333 MHz stock clock, but they overclock the best of any memory ever made for laptops. In the part number the CK0 or CH9 at the end does not matter, but the part number must have DH0, not CH0.

Too bad those are 4GB but they are quite cheap for sure.

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Hi Prema,

Question for you: is there some trick to getting the Eurocom P750ZM to boot from a USB device? I used Rufus to format two different USB sticks with FreeDOS, put the VBIOS files on there, but when I go into the boot manager (F7) or BIOS (F2 I think?), there's simply no option to boot from USB.

Vbios has to be done in Windows, not DOS. It needs the hacked nvflash that comes in the archive which is a Windows executable file and you have to go into device manager and right-click and hit disable on your video card(s)

As for booting from your USB I imagine you'll have to do what I have to do and enable hybrid mode under boot by changing UEFI from Windows 8.x to others and making sure EFI boot is enabled. When you F7, it will offer you the chance to boot your USB drive by name.

Edit: ninja'd by Prema lol

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I think that the makers of the turd notebooks that will never perform to spec should be sued but the people that would notice these things already know if they see HQ on a processor to stay the hell away so it will never happen.

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I don't think it is obvious that they are behind, in spite of those signs of being in a state of decline. If that were true, I doubt their head of Alienware Club forum at Dell Community would be providing links to drivers to help customers overclock and saying they were not privy to NVIDIA's plan to disable overclocking. Since we are exchanging conspiracy theories, I think it just as likely NVIDIA did this totally on their own because it is getting harder than ever to see a difference between MXM and PCIe desktop GPU performance and they are trying to keep a broader gap there to not look bad to their desktop fanboys that will be all butt-hurt if their desktops get romped on by a laptop.

I just find it highly suspect that the 2015 Alienware line comes and overclocking goes poof right after. I really hope that class actions start forming and anti-trust in the EU.

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I think everyone needs to chill a bit and step back. I think Nvidia are going to allow the vendors choose if we are allowed to overclock or not. I think this could be a smart move as due to some of the smaller lighter form factors overclocking of any kind is a bad idea due to poor cooling.

But guys lets wait and see how many systems are effected and where these systems come from? I'm sure these questions will be answered very shortly.

Its obvious it's Dell behind this. All the signs are there. 180W power supply, soldered chips, and the fact that the lockout didn't start til Dell launched the new Alienware line.

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If NVIDIA does lock out vbios flashing in the future at the driver level, I don't think any kind of outrage will change their minds on that one. Plus most news sites wouldn't even care since vbios flashing is such an abstract concept to 99% of gamers out there. We could only hope the community is creative enough to find ways around it, kind of like how Jailbreak devs get around Apple's lockouts in a cat and mouse fashion every update.

There's a way around everything. I personally would get around such a block by switching to AMD. They would be killing themselves if they did that. The enthusiast market is bigger than people think, especially since they would probably roll out such a thing universally meaning the desktop users would get screwed too. Now that AMD isn't competitive, nVidia is getting what they want... Hopefully nVidia doesn't become a repeat of the AMD and Intel story... AMD came out with their Intel smashing Athlon 64 and slowed the innovation and just sat there laughing as Intel struggled to catch them... We all know how that story ended.

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Agreed on the pastes. GC Extreme doesn't scratch the dies either unlike IC Diamond which can leave some crazy scratches.

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Its getting bad. Windows 10 doesn't look all that fantastic either besides the price (free) and directx 12.

But good luck getting SLI to work properly on Linux - last time I tried I was told it is not supported on notebooks and its hard enough to enable on a desktop.

Really it's apple and ms. Linux fills a small niche but it's not good enough for gamers.

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Is it within the right of your auto manufacturer of choice to tell you how fast you can drive your car, or block you from exceeding the speed limit? Hell no! Of course not. This is NVIDIA taking liberty where it's not theirs to take. They have absolutely no right to control what end users do, and if they were smart they would leave this anti-customer treachery up to idiotic OEMs that hate their customers. Other than stupid gamer-children that don't know any better, and those that don't care, this demonstration of poor judgment could turn out be a fatal error for their brand if they leave it this way. No self-respecting enthusiast is going to buy a pile of crap NVIDIA GPU that can't be overclocked unless there is a mod to circumvent it. The ability exists for flash protection cancer to be implemented à la Alienware 2012.

Conspiracy aside, they may have implemented that vBIOS before making the announcement about blocking, then changing their mind after the public outcry against it. They can discontinue using a cancer-infected vBIOS just as quickly and easily as they started using one. I'd recommend waiting and watching as @Prema has suggested. This could be a fluke/false alarm.

Its up to the OEMs if they want overclocking or not. Like it or not, nVidia has covered their asses here on the legal front is all I'm saying, not that I support the decision itself. But I can tell you that Dell is the most likely culprit behind this mess. All of the other OEMs besides Clevo actually advertise overclocking for their machines and likely will leave their bioses unlocked (MSI, ASUS, and Gigabyte for example, no idea what Clevo would do, probably just use what nVidia gives them).

Your car analogy is a perfect example... My Focus had a limit of 140MPH until they updated the computer and locked it at 125. I shouldn't have been driving those speeds anyway but when I inquired about it, they said it was never meant to go faster than 125 before being throttled. Gave me some garbage about street legal cars and said if I hack the computer my 5 year warranty would be void with no refund of the last 4 years I didn't get to use.

My V6 Fusion had a 120 cap from the factory.

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