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4 hours ago, p170sm_user said:

(1) While in Safe Mode, I've deinstalled all GPU drivers, cleaned up (Nvidia + Intel) with DDU, and rebooted into Windows normally. Always ends up with black screen, some SSD activity but ultimately ALT/F4 + Enter reboots (so, I conclude Windoze has fully loaded, but I just can't see it.)

(2) A 2nd monitor will be tried - I will look out for cables

(3) Chess analysis (involves a lot of integer maths).  4 physical cores outperform 8 virtual cores by about 25%,, as the task doesn't parallelise all that well.

(4) No, but I shall, as almost a last resort. ANY PARTICULAR TECHNIQUE SUGGESTED?

(5) Good idea. I will phone them again and mention this possibility...

(8, new) Any advantage in my reflashing to the original, Clevo-shipped BIOS?  I think not, but you know more than I do.

- If safe mode works and normal mode does not, it heavily suggest that some driver or something that is loading with windows that does not normally load is causing a problem. I suggest going into safe mode and doing a "clean boot"; disabling everything except microsoft services and your wifi. See if you get into windows proper. All I know is if safe mode works, normal mode should work.

- Good, though I think it's your windows install.

- That's a pretty unoptimized program then. However you can just probably use Process Lasso and limit it to 4 threads alone without killing HT permanently.

- Backup your stuff and install fresh normally.

- Good. Don't let companies do this kind of crap. It's one thing if they break warranty because of Prema mod, but breaking your PC and then leaving it alone is shit.

- I doubt it.

5 hours ago, skandal said:

My "source" on eBay does not have the 14w/mk pads with 1.5mm. And by your comment I'm assuming you are confirming that the pad has 1.5mm of height

No, I was making a general statement. If you're replacing 1.5mm height pads, you should use 1.5mm of height with it.

11 hours ago, skandal said:

Not wanting to steer the conversation into thermal pads only... I recently bought two FujiPoly 14w/mk pads (one 1mm and the other 0.5mm).

 

I've still didn't applied them due to concerns of height.

It seems that the original pads on my P651SE are 1.5mm thick, can anyone confirm the use of 1mm pads on this model? Or I'll have to buy the 1.5mm ones?

You should be able to use 1mm and 0.5mm together, but 1.5mm would likely be best.

2 hours ago, PedroPaulo92 said:

I CAN NOT DOWNLOAD THE BIOS GTX770M MODDED.

Yes, because you didn't read the rules.

On 9/27/2016 at 11:22 AM, greg_p said:

This board has the good vbios, but I don't remember if I need a specific bios. Currently it has the latest clevo bios, but I remember I replaced it, but don't remember if it was mandatory to use the 980m... Someone can tell me?

Thx

Yes, you need the latest Prema bios or you won't be able to use the 980M.

On 9/27/2016 at 10:56 AM, p170sm_user said:

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- Try uninstalling all GPU drivers and then booting into windows normally. It should work just like in safe mode. If it doesn't, Windows is probably your problem.

- Try using a second monitor as well.

- What in the world do you do where hyperthreading is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE? I cannot imagine any situation as such.

- Have you attempted reinstalling windows?

- You should take that company to court for causing damage to your system and refusing to fix it. Whether or not they axed your warranty doesn't matter; they broke your system and then left it.

- Your 780M might have problems. The fact that you didn't notice you couldn't use your dGPU means it might have been dead for ages and you didn't realize.

- There is no .inf issue because 780Ms were what sold with the machine. You aren't using an upgraded GPU so it doesn't matter.

5 hours ago, iunlock said:

Thanks @Prema, for the Team T|i hwbot invite.

 

I've officially joined. Submitting some scores now...

 

Update: I'm at 3rd Overall for Fire Strike and Time Spy. Please help me beat my PR... Just need a few more points to bump up to 2nd.

I've never touched a Pascal card or an unlocked Skylake, but I want to help. I wonder if I can do eet xD

On 9/19/2016 at 1:50 AM, xarmius said:

I tried changing it on the control panel but still some programs run with the intel graphics processor instead of the dGPU

Oh, welcome to Optimus, where enthusiasts retch and average joes claim "no problems here!" every day.

Try manually adding the .exe to NCP and forcing it individually to use your dGPU. Should work.

I find it funny, I had to do a similar thing for GPU-Z with SLI. Those fools want the PCI/e render test to be fullscreen so SLI/CrossfireX can work, except that SLI works in windowed mode, and fullscreening it didn't automagically make SLI work, so I had to add GPU-Z to NCP and force SLI on it... but then the test uses SLI in windowed mode >_<. Really, you'd think people would get their act together when they're such prominent program vendors or websites in the tech industry...

2 hours ago, Georgel said:

For a P775, I'm trying to find more photos of it, but having a hard time doing this. Especially close up photos of internals. 

As @iunlock; he's taken a decent few photos and doesn't seem to be the type that would feel like it's a bother to do so.

1 minute ago, coolane said:

Haven't touched desktop board for a long time, now don't know how the voltage works there any more. My last time overclocking a desktop chip it was the age of Pentium 4 and AMD Athlon 3000+. 

It would be cool if AMD can drop the 95W Zen in a Clevo laptop. Rumor saying that it has similar performance with 6900k clock to clockwise.

Said rumor was using Blender which was using GPU acceleration from the APU on it, is what I heard. So far it looks like AMD is playing the same game nVidia and Intel play, and not well enough.

I don't like that. If AMD is going to be the same kind of garbage company, then even more reason to simply buy the stronger parts.

1 minute ago, coolane said:

Though desktops can't lock the voltage, but at least it can get the value closer to what BIOS set, right?

The voltage in GPUZ of the last 3rd picture is pretty close with the voltage set in BIOS:

https://rog.asus.com/19262015/overclocking/guide-overclocking-core-i7-6700k-on-the-maximus-viii-extreme/

Not really. It's the same deal, more or less. Didn't the other user say he put it at 1.235v or something and it sits around 1.267 to 1.295 depending on what's done? That's how the desktops act too. The skylake chip does what it wants, you can kind of just influence it a little bit. If you overvolt a lot, it'll probably stick. But since the point is to use as little voltage as possible here, the lower you try to set it, the more variance should show up.

2 minutes ago, coolane said:

Yeah, seems like only desktop motherboard can do that. In laptop the closest thing to have the voltage fluctuates less I guess is increasing the PLL value. 

I was including desktops in my statement of "I've never seen a skylake chip lock voltage".

3 hours ago, Khenglish said:

 

Oh, ok so its not that great of a cpu then. I thought you had it locked to 1.235V.

I've never seen someone manage to lock voltage on a skylake chip. Manual/Static voltage doesn't work. The chips do what they want, though Manual voltage and offsets do have some kind of effect.

2 hours ago, Prema said:

P870DM LID is different from DM2/3.

Beam your knowledge of these things into my brain please =D

4 hours ago, sirana said:

I thought IPS are generally 8 bit, offering a full colour range of 16.7 million? If this does not apply to all notebook IPS panels, what is the point of getting one over a TN panel, aside of the viewing angle?

This... is exactly my point.

IPS panels offer better contrast, deeper black levels, etc. The colours are richer to the end user, but the actual range of colours is generally the same (though, please note that the range is not equal... 72% NTSC on one panel is not 72% NTSC on another panel, though both do cover 72% of the colours of the NTSC range).

It's why I've said it the entire time: 25ms response time, 60Hz (overclockable or not), 72% NTSC 6-bit colour panels becoming the only panel option for the high end notebooks is an absolute fucking joke. I mean, 120Hz 5ms 94% NTSC which is the new standard for the clevo 17" models (soon anyway; only P870DMx for now) is a really big step up, especially since it's IPS over TN but better specs than previous TN panels like mine (72% NTSC, 120Hz, 5ms, 6-bit, TN)... but I'm still waiting on a proper review for it (as MSI's "5ms 120Hz" turned out to be 25ms GTG). If the panel's specs turn out to be true, then great. Otherwise... the notebook IPS panels are all a joke.

1 hour ago, ajc9988 said:

I know the 4K AUO had the connection positioned lower which could effect the lid on some models, or at least that is what was told to me when I was looking at it when it first came out. Other than that, and without knowing the position on the 1080p 120hz display, I absolutely agree. I also had doubts when being told the ZN couldn't fit it, but haven't tested and found out first hand. But, as I said, other than that, I fully agree.

 

IPS are more consistent in color reproduction than NT displays. It is a question of accuracy and consistency over refresh rate and viewing angles. Also, I do not believe any of the very few displays offering 10-bit, 1.07B color are other than IPS or equivalent displays. Unfortunately, these displays use 50-pin eDP and Clevo uses 40-pin (and all that comes with that choice), so if more color is what you want over 16.7M, very few laptops can accommodate.

 

Edit: most of the newer panels, whether IPS or NT are 8-bit these days. Go to panelook to get the specifics on the display you have or want to verify...

Well the lid for the P870DM and P870DM2 is the same, but houses all 3 panels. So anything housing one of the panels should house all 3, is my judgement. But yes, we'll see. Clevo Extreme Gaming has stated that the P670RP6/P670RS should get the 120Hz as an official configuration around december or early next year as well, which stands in line with the lid housing the LP173WF4 panels (and thus being compatible with the 120Hz).

I don't think it's consistency. I think it's just better contrast and deeper blacks, which make the colours look better. See the colour range explanation above.

As for the panels being 8-bit or not, have you seen any new panels that are 8-bit colour on the laptops? Again I only know of the AUO 4K panel. The Gsync panels from the maxwell gen except that 4K AUO are all 6-bit.

3 hours ago, sirana said:

TN doesn't make it inferior, unless you overly care about the viewing angle + 8 bit colours, right?

Where do you see 8-bit IPS laptop panels? The only one I've seen selling in the mainstream is that AUO 4K panel (the gsync one).

9 hours ago, ajc9988 said:

What I do for compatibility is compare the physical dimensions and screw hole placements (as well as connector placements) with the original display our others known to work (changing this list on what works if the lid varies by company). If they are thinner than the original, but the outside is the same, shouldn't be an issue. You need as many matching screw mount points as possible and to make sure the connector and cord can attach without issue when closed. But I do agree, usually they can fit without issue, but connector position and cord length sometime means you have to do something to accommodate...

But see this is the whole point about it all.

LP173WF4 (1080p 60Hz IPS gsync-certed 17" panel)                       = x mounting orientation, x dimensions, x cord length, etc.

AUO 4K panel whose name I no remember                                     = fits in LP173WF4 LCD covers and laptops, plug & play = x mounting orientation, x dimensions, x cord length, etc (or close enough to it).

AUO B173HAN01.2 (1080p 120Hz AHVA Gsync-certed 17" panel) = fits in AUO 4K panel covers and laptops, plug & play = x mounting orientation, x dimensions, x cord length, etc (or close enough to it).

Therefore, if I skip the 4K panel... like dropping a known variable in a mathematical equation?

LP173WF4 size/mounting orientation/cord length/etc == B173HAN01.2 size/mounting orientation/cord length/etc

If they were truly different, that would be beyond surprising to me. It would mean that one of the existing panels was modified to fit in one of the existing laptops, possibly by its cord length. Which I highly doubt.

3 minutes ago, wersuss said:

Hello guys, there's an option now to choose P775 with QHD IPS 120hz screen, should it look nicer and better than FHD 120hz AHVA display?

What;s the difference AHVA and IPS panels?

Don't know the specs on the 1440p screen, can't say.

Different manufacturers. Tech is the same, basically.

2 hours ago, Prema said:

 

P775DM2/3 are going to receive official 120Hz g-sync panel options, just like the P870DM2/3.
P6 models use different LIDs for each screen, so there maybe a problem in certain cases.

 

I see. Interesting. I'm still sure it should work, though... the LP173WF4-SPx1 is the 1080p 60Hz Gsync panel for 17", and those covers hold the same AUO 4K 100% Adobe RGB panel that the P870DM held, which the P870DM3 holds, which also holds the AUO B173HAN01.2

So I basically do it like this:

1080p 60Hz = can hold 4K

4K = can hold 1080p 120Hz

1080p 60Hz == 1080p 120hz

I wish I had someone willing to actually test.

But great news that the P775DM2/3 is getting it as an official config =D

Hey @Prema do you think you could get the 120Hz AUO panel into a P670Rx or P775DM3 with Gsync enabled using one of your BIOS mods? Assuming a gsync GPU/license is purchased, of course. I sincerely believe that it'd benefit those machines and I'm wondering why it wasn't Clevo's new standard, honestly.

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

No, that won't do it. It needs more voltage to go past 1500ish on core. Around 1535 or so the driver crashes (TDR) about 5 to 10 seconds into a benchmark due to lack of core voltage when the GPU is still around 30°C. It's not having black-screen issues or lockups or anything like that.

Hmm... maybe it does. Maybe the lack of voltage only happens under LN2 temps. But okay. That's too bad though.

Question, does it happen with memory at stock as well?

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Around 62°C.

Mmm... you needing more voltage goes against what I know about Maxwell, though. Think you can try getting the card down to the mid 40s? Kill the CPU overclock (or lower it to a lesser number just for the testing), turn off the machine, remove the back cover, shove a 15°c A/C vent into the heatsink portion for about 15 minutes until it's COLD, boot it, instantly apply the OC and run the benchmark with maximum fans? See if you manage to get the card rolling with the lesser voltage?

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like 1500 or so on GPU core is my max with a 1.250V limit (driver crashes due to lack of voltage). @Prema I think it will take 1.275V or 1.300V to hit 1600 on core.

What was the 980M's temps?

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

I guess that depends on whether you have that much spare time. If one does, sure... might as well. Since my spare time is limited I have to decide how to spend it and still get in 3 to 6 hours a day for sleep.

What is this thing you say called "sleep"?

Jokes aside though, I am indeed currently unemployed, and thus I do have quite a bit of time.

Edit: Truthfully, the SINGLE reason I do not overclock or bench much is because it's simply too hot and humid and has extremely little airflow in my room. It's on average 90F per day and if it drops to 77F by midnight, I consider that very cool. It also has very little airflow, so when the area around me gets hot, it generally remains that way for a long time. Mythlogic was able to tell in an instant that I was in an extremely hot and humid environment the first time they got my notebook; simply six months after I had it. Anything beyond the 1006/6000 above is instantly non-useful for pretty much anything that isn't firestrike, just due to temperatures, unless it's a particularly cool night and I run benches at around 4am when it's about at its coldest.

If I get access to a cooler room in the day, preferably one with an A/C, I would pretty much keep daily driver overclocks in general. I've used some A/C rooms before, even large ones at university, and I was able to hold LONG periods of overclocking in even Crysis 3 without thermal throttling or crashing.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Oh, I understand that 100%. Overclock and bench more and game less and you'll probably find even more weird questions like this.

Why game less? Why not overclock and bench more AND continue gaming as much? =D

Besides, gaming has a lot of even weirder questions too. Also, anybody has any idea why the combined test for firestrike only scales 50% on SLI? At least for me. Single GPU was generally 11-14fps, and multi-GPU was 17-20fps. It's basically 50% boosting. But the graphics tests were over 95% scaling?

Eh but the minute I notice something being weird, I INSTANTLY want to find out why. How do you think I've learned so much already? xD

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Physics is for the cpu. No GPU involvement.

 

I'll let you guys figure out the tech aspects of it. I'm just going to bench it and move on.

Yes it is, but while the CPU does the calculations, it still has to feed to each GPU to display. I.E. each GPU ought to have a VERY slight load during the Physics test, and just feeding the extra GPU should theoretically take away an ever so slight amount of compute power from the physics test.

But this doesn't happen for Maxwell/Pascal and it makes no sense to me as to why.