Bugii

Hello,

I'm thinking of getting SSD as 3rd drive for my GT780DXR

From my research I've found there is a ODD caddy bay available - this will allow me to remove DVD drive and plug in 3rd hdd.

Anybody tried it?

My concerns are: - is the ODD port SATA 2 or SATA 3 ?

Is it possible to keep the two HDDs in raid0 while having SSD as boot drive ?

It seems that I have to turn on AHCI mode in bios for SSD, but this will break my raid obviously.

Anybody played with raid config utility ?

Is it possible to config it this way ? (SSD as single boot drive, 2xHDD in raid 0 as secondary partition)

Thx for any suggestions and tips.

[Edit:]

getting a bad feeleing about this...

the more I read about this "fake intel raid" in MSI notebooks...

Looks like this RAID does not support TRIM on SSD.

So its either SSD+2XHDD in AHCI or RAID.

guys I don't think it's the temps.

I've got the exact same card(blue clevo), in GT780 (2630qm) and I dont have any drops.

Using 150W acad.

I'm using throttlestop - Not tunred ON, just running in background (it says "Monitoring only" - I know this sounds stupid but I had drops every now and then When turned ON in performance mode... maybe because the cpu is not xtreme edition.) And I'm using Afterburner - not OC'd anything, just running in the background and set FPS cap to 60 (got 60Hz LCD so no point getting more than that.)

My card is running 65-75 C in load depending on the game... So I think your fps drops are not related to temperature.

I don't have a wire soldered to motherboard (this was supposed to help with GTX580M cards back in those days)

One thing that might be important - I'm using external screen. - always. If you can, try using external screen and see if this helps. I know, I don't understand either.

One thing is that Internal LCD backlight is managed by GPU bios (flashed wrong bios and backlight didnt work)- so these things might be somehow related.

Try throttlestop in monitoring only and try fpscap in afterburner.

It was a Video Message but it stated error on it. Something to do with AMI UEFI hence why i did the MSI Stock Vbios and then modded that.

Well I used sv7's but the bios was strange.

It couldnt recognize my Dell Ultrasharp LCD in VGA port. It was recognized as "standard vga monitor" and I couldnt run anything in fullscreen on it.

Maybe because it was clevo card.

I'll test yours and see...

thx.

Also according to eGPU users NB use only pcie 1.1 not 2.0 - sandy bridge cpu (mean 2gen cpu core i) have 2.0 pci-e in NB

this basically explains everything.

THANK YOU!

and thats with the i7 2670qm boosting at its full turbo boost for all 4 cores.

You cannot get full turbo boost on ALL 4 cores at once on 2670QM.

Or am I missing something ?

AFAIK you can get full boost an all cores only on extreme edition cpus....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2vzetjckqgqdoc/11E0-MSI.zip

Very much appreciated

Thank you.

Thank you very much guys for your comments and help!

I will buy the video card, maybe I will ask you later for the procedure for update to the MSI vbios and this way use the nvidia drivers without the modified .inf file.

just waiting for the advise about:

"I think I must buy some or alot of thermal pad, which brand or place to buy do you recommend? how should I put the pad to cover the important components?"

Thanks again!

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Hi Again

I forgot ask about the HDMI and VGA connectors, after the upgrade to the gtx770m will work these connectors without issues?

Thanks for your comments.

I bought the first one I could find.

Didn’t care about any brand… just got some 0.5mm and some 0.7mm

I used two stripes – 2x10cm and cut how much I needed…

Regarding how to place it… have a look at the card and heatsink.. slowly try to fit the heatsink while holding the card in one hand and heatsink in another.

All out of the laptop – without thermal grease… just to see which part is touching which…

And then just place the pads to the card so that no part of card is touching heatsink directly. Except for core ofc.

Most important are memory chips and the big square capacitors… but again, make sure nothing is touching directly the heatsink.

Then just place it into laptop, apply grease on core and fit the heatsink.

HDMI and VGA works great with stock clevo bios.

When I updated to MSI vbios.. it worked but VGA couldnt recognize my Dell Ultrasharp... It worked as "standard vga monitor"

So I flashed it back to clevo vbios... everything runs great but I have to use modded inf.

This however, depends on your laptop.. Ive got MSI GT780R... MSI vbios might work excellent on the GT70 and newer models.

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known from personal testing on i3-380m and 920xm

that's strange... because intel says even 380m has PCIe rev. 2.0 [url=http://ark.intel.com/products/50178/Intel-Core-i3-380M-Processor-3M-Cache-2_53-GHz]ARK | Intel® Core[/url]

PCI Express Revision	2.0
PCI Express Configurations ‡	1x16
Max # of PCI Express Lanes	16

May the motherboard be the limit ? I think northbridge is in cpu..so it shouldnt be a mobo issue, however im not sure if first gen. i-Cores features northbridge as well.

Anyway, since you tested and it didnt work, I guess intel is listing wrong data...

I'll try i7 then.

Thank you.

Guys do you have stock MSI GTX 770M vbios to share ?

I'm thinking to flash MSI vBios on my Clevo card - I'm too lazy to use modded inf every time I fiddle with the card.

I've found svl7's OC edition unlocked vbios - But I'd like to have the stock one. Don't wanna mess with voltages as I'd like to keep this one card for a while...

Thx.

Hello, It's me again

I found two cards that mokkin sell on ebay, one stand "New, Pull from Brand New MSI Laptop" and the board is green and the other one say "New, Pull from Brand New Clevo Laptop" with the board blue, I think that the first could be the better for me because was taken from a MSI and could be "more" compatible with my gt683DXR, is this correct or I'm wrong?

the pulled from msi laptop is this(green board):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-770M-3GB-DDR5-MXM-3-0-Type-B-for-MSI-Alienware-/271324814030?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3f2c381ace

the pulled from a clevo laptop (blue board):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-770M-3GB-DDR5-MXM-3-0-Type-B-for-Clevo-Alienware-MSI-/271237279139?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3f27006da3

Could you advise me wich one should I buy?

I think I must buy some or alot of thermal pad, which brand or place to buy do you recommend? how should I put the pad to cover the important components?

Thanks again for your comments and advises.

Clevo (blue board) is confirmed to work in sandy bridge (MSI 780/783/683)

I know it sounds stupid but I wouldnt risk the MSI card (green)

Get the blue one - clevo, it will work for sure.

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hi guys, i'm totally a newbie. i'm really interested to upgrade my gt780dx gtx 570m to clevo gtx 770m. so my question is do i need to do any solder? or i just need to flash the vbios? thanks a bunch.

You don't need to flash anything.

Just replace the card.

Make sure to buy Clevo version GTX 770m - blue board. That one is confirmed to work in gt780dx.

Replace card and thats it. (of course, add thermal grease etc.) But nothing else is needed.

I'm still running on stock vbios - i didnt flash bios, it is working as it is.

I'm currently with the i7 720QM ^^

What exactly do you mean with heatsink? (sorry my english is a little bit buggy ^^), do you mean a cooling plate?

Okay and where can i buy the GTX 770M?

card:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-770M-3GB-DDR5-MXM-3-0-Type-B-for-Clevo-Alienware-MSI-/271237279139

heatsink:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Heat-Sink-nVidia-GTX570-GTX580-GTX670-GTX675-E31-0405765-Y31-/271394658082?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item3f3061d722

Hello,

Thanx for the reply.

The CPU,

1. okey, so its not possibly or better said its not worth to by an Intel over first Generation into my gx660? :/

2. Is it worth to upgrade from an slower i7 1st gen to a 'faster' i7 1st gen?

The GPU.

So its realy possible to insert a nvidia card Boot up install the right driver and everything works?

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And whats with the temp. Control fan and so in, even HDMI will work after upgrading to an nvidia card?

THX in advance for reply

it is not possible to get anything else than 1st gen i-core CPU working - 2nd gen has different socket.

Fastest you can get is 920XM - however I'm not sure if it's worth the price. I dont think it is, you should be fine with the i5 460M you got right now.

Yes you can get nvidia working without problems.

I have tested:

GTX 560M(this is not an upgrade to your current gpu)

GTX 675M,

GTX 770M (clevo version)

and AMD HD7970M

All of them wokring fine - yes exactly in gx660R.

The only thng youwill need, is to buy or make a heatsink. You can use any of the GT60/GT70 series - they are the same.

675M ~75-80C HDMI depends on vbios - works with dell vbios doesnt work with msi vbios. (dell card tested)

770M ~65-70C HDMI works

7970M temps same as 675M, didnt have a chance to test HDMI.

2.0 on 1st core i is available only on quad cpu not i5/i3/ pentium

Can I have a link ?

Or where did you find this out ?

I've looked at ark.intel.com and couldnt find anything like this.

It does actually make sense.. So that's one mystery solved...

best cpu you can get is i7 1st gen. Only 1st gen cpus fit into motherboard.

GPU, ... I've tested with GTX 675M, GTX 770M and HD7970M - all working fine.

So yes, it IS possible with nvidia card. I've tested exactly on MSI GX660 - stock card was HD5870M

I'm thinking that the reason you are never hitting 2.0 is because the utilization never gets high enough for the driver to decide to double the PCI-E speed, so once you figure out why your utilization is low, I think you'll get pci-e 2.0 working as well.

Hmm, this is actually very clever!

I will try somehow...

Thank you!

When the card is running at idle (desktop) it should be running at 1.1, when opening 3d application or games it will automatically\force to run at 2.0.

Well, thats the problem here, it will not.

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No, PCI-E 1.1 will not cause the card to not run 100% load. You will have a hard time finding anything that results in even a 1% performance drop in 1.1 vs 2.0.

Okay, so the problem is elsewhere...

Thank you anyway guys.

Hmm this is weird since synthetic stuff like gpu-z shouldn't be cpu dependent. I clocked my cpu down to 1.5ghz and still had 98% gpu utilization in the gpu-z test.

I assume that fps is low as well?

Well, ..define "LOW" ...

it's 80% of what it could be

By that, I mean that the same card runs at full load and performs better in different laptop.

That different laptop is MSI 1761.

This one (16F1) has HM55 compared to HM67 chipset.

It has 1st gen i5 @2.9GHz compared to 2nd gen [email protected]

Same amount of ram tested in both, raid0 in both.

So yes, the overall config is slightly worse, it's just... the CPU is not stressed at all so it shouldnt be a bottleneck.

The only difference I see is that it runs at PCIe 1.1 copared to PCIe 2.0

So I was wondering if THIS can cause the card not to get 100% load.

So let me ask the question in a different way:

Can PCIe 1.1 cause that the GPU is not fully utilized comparing to the same card running PCIe 2.0 ?

HM55 and i5 should support PCIe 2.0 so I don't know... maybe its defective mobo or CPU.

Maybe it's the "PCIe slot" itself...

I will try GTX 770m in 16f1 when I got the chance...

Well I've tried many games and benchmarks.. even the "render test" in gpu-z wont get the card loaded more than 80% and CPU is literally idle.

Maximum temperature I've seen on the card in this laptop was ~75°C (I know the card can get up to 86 when running at full load, but thats the problem, it wont get higher than 80% load ever.)

150W acad - the card was running @pcie2 using the same 150W acad in a different laptop (MSI 1761)

I do admit CPU is quite weak, but I cant believe it will behave this way if it was bottleneck...

I will try the "trick" in control panel tonight...

Hello,

I've run into a problem, hping someone would have any idea what to try...

basically some time ago I've upgraded GT660R (16F1) machine with a GTX 675M card.

Card is working but its not fully utilized. At first I thought it was i5 CPU bottleneck but I have noticed its running at PCIe 1 all the time.

Even when stressed (both game and gpu-z render test) shows the card runs at PCIe v1.1 x16

When idle, it drops to PCIe v1.1 x1

The card never reaches more than 70-80% load and CPU is not stressed.

Any ideas why ? In other laptop the card runs at PCIe v2.0 x16 and load goes up to 99%

Accordng to intel - 1st gen i5 460M should support PCIe v2.0

Mobo has HM55 chipset I think.

Tried reseating the card, flashing different vbios and bios, completely reinstall system.

Okay, I found the right .inf files and played a bit of War Thunder. I do see the frame drops you noticed, although they are not as bad the GTX 675m. I'll look into it.

for the fps drops - run throttlestop guys.

I had the same issue on 675m. Havent had the issue on 7970m which is also 100W card. ???

No idea whats going on. I just run throttlestop (monitoring only) and the drops were gone.

Again - I did nothing in throttlestop - I didnt even turn it ON, just run the app and minimized. (i7 2630qm)

however 770m is working perfectly without it. Even 7970m was good without TS.

Hello

I have a similar story. Bought from eBay green card.

What are the chances that will work in my GT683? Or even trying to install?

I had two completely new dell cards (770m) neither of them worked. Stuck at bios splash screen. Cards worked in alienware.

Clevo card (blue board) worked perfectly.

However, in this post http://forum.techinferno.com/msi/3810-upgrading-gt780dx-277us-ms-1761-gtx780m-3.html

BigKid states he bought green (dell) card and it worked.. hes struggling with drivers but the card booted. I'm confused now. Looks like hit'n'miss

modded inf is bad.

It happened to me as well.

Try different.

I'm using 331.65 drivers with modded inf from some older version (not the one for 331.65) simply download more of them and try.

Regarding the 675mx, sell it, that card wont work in MSI.

Bugii thanks for make it clear. Now I understand what you mean. But cpu-z shows this with my wonderfull new ram:

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So my new memory can't run slower than 1333? Imho it can or cpu-z not show me the truth ;p.

BTW - Hyundai Electronics

Strange. This one should be fine.

I had exactly the same issue as you do on msi 16f1 - 15" version of your laptop (i5 460m PM55 chipset) and the problem was the memory modules as I described.

Try to get unlocked bios and set memory frequency manually to 1066MHz.

Also, make sure you are using just 2 memory slots! My GT660 has 3 memory slots but I can use only 2 of them (doesnt matter which 2 of the 3 I have, but as soon as I stick a memory into 3rd slot, its crashing - i5 460m supports only 2 slots) 3x 2GB leads to BSOD, 2x 4GB works OK.

Ok, but my old memory is 10600S too and windows works properly. So what?

Maybe I didnt write it clearly.

Open CPU-Z and look at memory profiles. there are several profiles for each memory.

Here you can see pc3-8500 - because its in the motherboard that support only 1066MHz

If you stick this same module into newer mobo, it will run at 1333MhZ - PC 10600

Now this memory module was sold in box with a sticker saying pc3 8500 - who cares? in fact its 10600 memory! Yes it can run at 8500 speed. - beause it has the low freq. profile.

But - your memory module has JEDEC #1 = 609MHz, JEDEC#2= 685MHZ, ....

So it is 10600 memory - but the lowest profile is 609MHz = this memory can NOT run at 533MHz (1066Mhz) - it's not stable. The one o the picture can.

That means - you bought 1333MHZ memory. Yes it can run 1333MHz, unfortunately it cannot run lower, but it is possible that it can run even 1866Mhz!

The statement that faster memory can always run at lower frequency is a MYTH! - usually it can, but not always

Look at this one:

It's PC 12800 - but lowest it can run is 10600 - this one cannot be used as 1066MHz memory - you will get blue screens, crashes etc.. (Probably your case.) - its not stable on freq. lower than 1333Mhz. The very same module on this second picture can be sold as 10600 if they want to sell it that way. In fact it's 12800 memory.

you can use nvwin.inf from any older modded drivers.