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  1. On 2017-6-7 at 6:23 PM, decool said:

    so is there a way to bypass this control or at least increase the power limit (let's say to 90W).

    None so far. We need a Vbios mod, which no one has cracked for pascal cards yet. 

    There isn't a Vbios for an mxm 1060 that exceeds 80W. I don't think you can flash any other Vbios on it either.


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  2. Okay. FS test done. Looking at the last two tests that ran (Physics and Combined) matched your results almost perfectly. I guess you launched EGVA before the physics test ran right? Take a look at my screenshot on the right hand side of the graphs where the two tests happened.

    I got an overall score of 9.3K in firestrike.

    All hardware and fan settings were on default settings.




    For an apples to apples comparison, I'm not convinced that you have a power supply issue from these results. Those power limit spikes are for the GPU only, where the 80W limit is reached. When this happens, GPU boost automatically adjusts clocks to stay within 80W. It oscillates a little as with any control system but that is no where near enough to cause any frame drops. (For some reason EVGA won't log the framerate for me. Sorry!).


    I've done a little overclocking on the GPU after. I can reach just over 10K in FS. Comparing it to current gtx 1060 laptops with i7 6700 and 7700 with similar clocks, I'd say that both of our setups are capable of competing with new 1060 powered laptops.


    http://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.81616535.141054231.1496849796-1121285817.1496849796#/?mode=basic&url=/proxycon/ajax/search/gpuname/fs/P/NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (Notebook)&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (Notebook)


    Again, at this point, I can't see a power supply issue here. Elder scrolls online as a game is CPU bound to one core and I wouldn't say it's very graphically demanding for a gtx 1060. Maybe this explains the low GPU usage in that game? Official system requirements only ask for a 560ti as "recommended". A gtx 1060 has at least double the performance of that so it doesn't need to run full tilt.


    In regards to your CPU overclocking, I too tried to overclock my i7 3820QM and found benchmarking results to be lower with passmark. A modded BIOS could unlock power settings for the CPU that might remedy this. I can't really help you with that as I have not modded my BIOS.

  3. 22 hours ago, decool said:

    I don't think so, there is clearly a power throtteling


    that was captured with EVGA when FS is on




    also i can't find why should i change my CPU, I compared it with other newer CPU and they pretty the same




    I'm going to install EVGA to see if my readouts are the same with FS.

  4. 23 minutes ago, Zoldago said:

    Looks like that is the power draw of the system, including the CPU. Look at the Furmark benchmark for the Aspire VN7 and compare to the witcher 3 one (Furmark is less CPU intensive).


    If the gtx 1060 really draws 135W, then we would see thermal throttling on our systems and high temps (m17x r4 is designed to cool 100W cards). Hwinfo shows a power draw of up to 80W.

    I'm on a 240W power supply with no problems just for reference

  5. Before buying a new Power supply, is there any way you can measure the power draw from the wall? I'm a little sceptical when a 45 watt CPU and an 80 watt in combination with other hardware could draw over 240 watts. A link here reviews the m17x r4 with a 45 watt CPU and a 100 watt GPU at release.



    A maximum peak of 166 watts was recorded, leaving plenty of head room for the CPU turbo mode, overclocking and charging the battery and other peripherals. Even with a 120 Hz screen, lots of USB powered devices plugged in and overclocking shouldn't exceed 240 watts. Anyway have a go at finding software or hardware that can measure the power draw from the power supply, just in case.

  6. What you are seeing is the GPU reaching its power limit. Using HWinfo or equivalent, can you find out what the peak power draw is? 

    If it's in the realm of 80W then that's normal. All mobile gtx 1060s are limited to 80W. Until someone mods the bios or finds a hardware mod to bypass this, this is the best you can get. You can overclock it to 2000 MHz, but in reality the power limit reduces the core clock under load (more than stock still!).


    Heaven benchmark shows a frame rate gain when overclocked, even though it's drawing the same power. You can try this for yourself if you want. I got +150 MHz on the core and +94 MHz on the memory without artifacting.


  7. On 2017-1-9 at 8:27 AM, andrzejz78 said:



    1060 OC and 4940MX OC 4x 4.3GHz (no TDP lock) :80:

    No TDP lock?! Is that on the GPU or CPU?

    I have a 1060 installed on my laptop (non gsync mxm) and I am limited to 80W on the card. I get a graphics score of around 13K compared to your 15.8K. Did you flash a certain Vbios or something?

    What wizardry did you do? 

  8. On 2017-5-15 at 4:42 PM, ulq1517 said:

    So i did both and its no longer 6 beeps but 8 beeps

    the computer boots if im using the hdmi out to a monitor but without the hdmi i get 8 beeps no post

    I had an 8 beep issue with the old card if I fully screwed the card into the mxm slot. I fixed it with a few thermal pads underneath the card to put the gpu at a slight angle.

    Does your old card work with the 120Hz screen?


  9. I have a query about the thermal options. Are the fan settings for the CPU only? I installed this modded bios in the hope I can reduce my GPU fan speed without forcing the CPU fan speed down too. My GPU sits at 66c, were the GPU fan goes full throttle (installed a new 80W GPU). What do the options for TC1, TC2 and TSP do? I have used HWinfo to control the fans but it can only control both fans at once. 

  10. That's the same as mine. The protrusion on the top centre of the heat sink is the one that could get in the way. If it does, remove any thermal pads. You can use a dab of thermal paste if you really want to. If it still causes problems in contacting the GPU die, you will need to sand the protrusion down (I was lazy and bent the heatsink very slightly to add a thermal pad on that spot. No thermal performance issues at all!)

  11. On 31/12/2016 at 7:05 PM, Zoldago said:

    thanks for the replay 

    I just bought a 1060 from ebay that's why a need your help :)

    did you used any special tool to modify the heatsink, or just an 0.5 mm thermal pad on that part ?

    It depends on what heatsink you have. The one that came with my m17x r4 had a copper corner segment. I didn't need to modify my heatsink as this "tacked on" corner piece rose higher than a completely grey heatsink and gave me a slight height difference which cleared the R.22 resistor.

     I'm guessing the completely grey coloured heatsink does not.


    See Zoldago's picture of the GPU heatsink below. If it has a copper [brown] corner piece [right of the red square] then you won't need to do any trimming :)


    GTX1060 Heatsink 1.jpg


  12. Both. The new pascal card don't support LVDS. That's a card limitation.

    DELL could not of foreseen this, then again they made two connectors for two screen options. I don't know if that was a hardware limitation with the 3D screens, but DELL also did not expect people to install cards beyond the 7xx series (as of course they wanted to push the new Laptop models).

  13. This is true for the NEW Alienware models designed for Pascal cards. Their displays are made to run in eDP mode. The M17x, M15x etc. series was never designed to run Pascal cards and used LVDS displays with the exception of 3D models. Zoldago explains that you need to install a 120Hz panel (i.e. the 3D screen) for it to work. It's not the refresh rate that is the issue here but the physical innards of the screen and connectors, which unfortunately cannot be resolved. I can run the gtx 1060 at 60Hz if I wanted to with my 120Hz screen. So there are two options:


    - Get a 120 Hz screen for the laptop + up to a pascal gtx 1060

    - Stick with the 60Hz screen and opt for a gtx 9xxm card (Typically cheaper)


    Or wait for a guinea pig to try it out. If you are that guinea pig, make sure the seller accepts returns due to incompatibility! Good luck :)

  14. Hi,

    I have doubts with a 60Hz screen. As far as I know, the 60Hz and 120Hz screen have two connectors. I recently took my laptop apart and noticed two screen connectors. One must be the LVDS connector and the other eDP (Pascal only supports eDP). Seeing as my screen is 120Hz then I must be running in eDP mode. I would enquire with any sellers about compatibility and returns if the card does not work.


    With all cards above the gtx 7xx series, you need the custom driver. I did post link to a thread for the gtx 980m, which supports both screen models. I think that is the highest card you can get for your model (it's only ~15-25% slower than the 1060 and you can overclock it. I can't atm with my 1060). Have a look above for the link.

    Notebookcheck's review on the m17x r4 with a 100W 7970m+ 45W 3610qm i7 only draws ~170W, even less with a gtx 1060! You should be fine with a 240W power adapter. Only if you plan to do some extreme overclocking with a 55W CPU amongst other power intensive things at the same time (charging, using all USBs, max brightness and speaker volume etc.) should you upgrade the power adaptor.


    Unfortunately you must convert to GPT format, which means reinstalling windows and formatting the drive. UEFI mode in the boot options is needed and fast boot disabled. I'm on the stock A12 BIOS, so no mod needed.


    Use DDU to remove the current driver, reboot, install modded driver with driver signature enforcement disabled. 

    Nvidia will try to update the driver but will fail. Laptopvideo2go.com will have the modded .inf file you need to install the driver. The driver itself isn't modded, just the compatibility check. Just download the latest official driver and plonk the .inf file  into <extracted driver files>/Display.Driver. Then just run the setup.exe in the extracted driver files.

  15. On 01/02/2017 at 8:55 AM, Zoldago said:

    I've tried a 60Hz screen, just to know if it works and got 8 beeps (no Display found).

    Did you ensure that in your BIOS, you set the boot option to UEFI mode? If you can't do that, you need to reinstall windows on a GPT partition (format can be done in Windows installer)

    Also windows fast boot must be disabled too.

  16. Both the GTX 1070 and 1080 require additional power pins. They are larger which means they won't fit and even if they did, the TDP is far too high for the stock cooling solution. A GTX 1070 can output up to ~120W, which the m17x r4 was designed for 100W cards.

  17. I'm guessing you're on a 2D screen right?

    You need to buy an MXM version of the card. In the BIOS you need to run in UEFI mode (which may require your windows to be installed on a GPT partition)

    Since you have optimus, you may end up having to disable the iGPU completely for the gtx 1060 to work.


    I recommend checking out this thread as I used the same procedure, just with a gtx 1060 instead: https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/8103-installed-980m-in-m17x-r4120hz-3d/

    I got my card from here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1060M-6GB-DDR5-MXM-3-0-Type-B-for-Alienware-Clevo-MSI-/272476008046?hash=item3f70d5ee6e:g:jsIAAOSw-0xYRnVe


    I would keep your old thermal pads for the VRAM on the current card, as you need wafer thin pads when installing the GTX 1060 card. Also make sure your GPU fan and heat-sink are good. You need to have a triple heat-pipe heat-sink and the GPU fan should read on the label something like 11.4 CFM marked on it. I'm not sure if lower end cards had smaller heat-sinks and fans.

    Good luck!

  18. Hi all,

    This is just to report the success of installing a gtx 1060 on my M17X R4. Mine is the 3D version and as far as I'm aware, you need a screen in eDP mode (120Hz 3D model) for it to work (confirmed) on top of UEFI support to boot up. See here for the gtx 980m install which is the same for this card, but the 980m works on 2D models too:  https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/8103-installed-980m-in-m17x-r4120hz-3d/


    HDMI in and out works but it does raise the question if the gtx 1060 will work on the 2D model via HDMI out. It should do as it's the eDP connector for the laptop screen is the issue here. Also 3D mode will no longer work (like anyone cares about 3D anymore :P ). The cards above the 8xxm series have no 3D support.



     A 120Hz screen is needed to pascal GPUS as only the 120hz connector in the laptop supports eDP mode.


    Keep your current card, in case you try modding your Bios or something like that, if settings become reset, UEFI is usually off by default. That means in this situation the GTX 1060 won't work without changing the Bios settings. Install your old card as it supports non-UEFI and UEFI modes.


    UEFI mode: This is must for the reason above. Windows needs to be installed on a GPT partition to use this feature. As this laptop origianlly came with windows 7, GPT and UEFI originally was not used. However Bios updates and windows 8+ could use it so UEFI was enabled. Install a fresh copy of windows on a GPT partition. The windows installation menu can help you with that. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/dn336946.aspx


    Bios settings: In the boot options, set to UEFI mode, disable fastboot and legacy options. This ensures that your old card and the Pascal card both work when you swap them out.



    It seems the laptop just about supports it. One Major thing to be aware of is the installation. For at least the MSI model of the GTX 1060, you need to use very thin heat pads as the core only just makes contact with the heat sink otherwise. I have found that on the core side are some new resistor blocks (Labelled R.22) that weren't in my old GTX 680m and thankfully they are the exact height of the core, so it isn't impossible to mount the heat sink. It's a very fine mark but provided you use thin pads (stock GTX 6xxm cards have nice thin ones) and a tightly screwed X bracket, you can get good cooling performance. The top R.22 blocks also do not need thermal pads (may benefit from thermal paste though) as you need as little height as possible.


    I'm aware of two types of heatsink used in the m17x r4. Both will work but there is a protrusion (in red) that can prevent proper contact with the core. If on a copper cornered heatsink (second image), you may not have to file this bit down. If you seriously have no tools to do this, you can very carefully bend this section VERY slightly to provide a little more clearance. To ensure good contact with other components in this case, use thicker pads or more paste on this section. 


    GTX1060 Heatsink 1.jpg &key=b62e6303297a5a5a293a6f770961a7a1db8

    (Top) Taken by Zoldago

     (Bottom) Taken by Decool



    Drivers are fine, just go to laptopvideo2go and get the latest drivers with the modded .inf files. Remember to use DDU before installing .

    Simple guide for drivers:)

    - uninstall any graphics drivers, including ones automatically downloaded by windows (disable windows update if need be). Using DDU ensure every trace is wiped clean to avoid any problems

    - Disable driver signature enforcement (Shift + restart button in the start menu -> troubleshoot -> Advanced options ->  Startup settings) OR f8 at boot screen (windows 7)

    - Run official installer, quit once the driver files are extracted.

    - Place the modded .inf file into "display.driver" of the extracted files

    - run "setup.exe" from extracted folder. Done!


    Bios + screen

    Generally, a modded bios is not needed as all necessary options are already available. Some scenarios may need a display type change or the iGPU cannot be disabled the usual way.

    To convert from a 60hz to a 120hz screen, you need to ensure that when booting up on the 60hz screen to disable the iGPU (FN+ F7) (Check BIOS settings to ensure it stays off). Once in dGpu only mode, you can go ahead and install the 120hz screen. 120hz screens do not support optimus as the iGPU is incompatible.


    Performance wise it's pretty close to a desktop 1060, hitting a score of ~3600 in time spy and ~12,000 graphics score in Firestrike (desktop scored ~14,000). Temps settle at 75C as the card is limited to ~80W (so very limited OC for now :( ). First Screenshot below used the stock paste that came with the card. Highly recommend a different paste such as mx-4 paste which I used (second screenshot).


    I doubt it will work on a M17X r3 due to the lack of UEFI support.





    Performance 1060.jpg


    Fan control and monitoring

    I use MSI afterburner for monitoring temps. You can also use HWinfo to control the fans, seeing as the 1060 is an 80W GPU compared to the 100W that the laptop is capable of cooling. If you're interested in lowering the fan speed for the sake of noise, use HWinfo. I'm aware that a system lock up can occur when using the fan control feature. However, so far I may have a solution.

    - Remove the main battery. A fix for many users and easy to implement

    - Alternatively use the settings provided in my screenshot. I know that the ACPI features are likely to be the main cause of lockups, but to be sure copy my settings and only monitor the sensors needed for fan control (e.g. CPU package temp and GPU temp). the  author of this program is aware that the battery monitoring is the cause for lock ups (which uses the ACPI in windows)




    Remember that you can only control both fans at the same time! Be sure to stress your CPU with a program prime95 to ensure your CPU does not overheat with your new fan settings. Also use both fan tables, one for the CPU and the other for the GPU so the fans spin up under loads from either.

    A final note. I would set a re-spin period on the fan control menu to reduce fan pulse. I found 2-3 seconds ideal. In my machine at least, the BIOS sets the fan speeds higher than needed before settling down to their target speed. E.g. at 4000 rpm, the fans spin up to 4600 rpm and in around 10 seconds slow down to 4000. Below is my preferences, although you may not want to run components quite as hot. Under max load, the CPU hits 90c and GPU 78c.




    Good luck and enjoy! :)

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