Dabeer

I know new clevo's p750 and 770zm will come out with deskto CPU, but can they also run desktop memory?

he said "desktop like" not "desktop" They'll still be SODIMMs (small-format, laptop).

Here, just a few:

Clevo Resellers in the European Union -V1

Yeah, I'd seen that thread... I'm not finding a similar list for the US?

Also, when I'm searching for "Clevo P650SE" I don't get hits for whatever Mythlogic or Eurocom or even Sager might have named their version of it (unless someone posted it on a forum like this).

There are hundreds of Clevo re-seller worldwide. Most of them if not all will offer the new models sooner or later. Wouldn't be fair to just name a few...

i guess that makes sense, but for those customers like me who are new to the world of Clevo/Sager, it might help increase business at some of the lesser-known sellers - we can't buy from them if we don't know they exist, after all...

Would creating a list of known vendors (and model names) of these beautiful systems be beneficial?

Different cable, not different connector...Clevo just usually uses propitiatory cables with making used of the normally unused reserved PINs on 30PIN connector they don't need the regular 40PIN ones...

That's understandable. So there would have to be differences to the chassis to allow the thicker cable? Is that something that couldn't be cut away at a later date? Then again, I could always just get the 4k glossy and go the ViewGuard route...

Corrected your post.

Ok, so I know that pretty much any RAM will work, but will run only at the 1600MHz rate. I guess what I'm wondering is whether any actual performance differences are possible (I'm including both practical differences like FPS increases and synthetic differences like benchmarks) and whether the higher CAS latency on the higher speed RAM would actually result in lower performance when running at only 1600MHz?

There are no different motherboards regarding M.2, spec is for all of them. Only SG models support 9mm + 7mm 2.5" drives, while the SE only two 7mm or a single 9mm (because of hight)

Cool, good to know. Thanks so much!

how abouuut...go for the SE with a 4K display and a 970M and oc the crap out of it (at least so it reaches 980m levels)

That's definitely an option, if I can fit it into my budget... although I don't think I will, because of the glossy screen. I usually sit with a window behind my head, and the reflections would kill me. I guess I was hoping that in the future a matte 4k screen would be available.

The question about putting an SG mobo into an SE chassis, and thoughts of upgrading to a 4k screen, these are all just hypothetical questions for my future with this machine. I'm almost 100% locked into getting the 970m with the 1920x1080 matte screen. The M.2 question was important, though - if I order it with no SSDs and end up with a motherboard that has a single PCIe M.2 slot, then putting 2 M.2 SATA drives in RAID 0 won't be an option, and that would be bad.

Since I'm flooding this thread already, is there any point to putting in DDR3-1866 CAS 10 RAM instead of DDR3-1600 CAS 9? As I understand it, the CPU won't do more than 1600 anyway... but there's only a $5 price difference between the Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600 and the G.Skill Ripjaw 1866 RAM, so I'm really tempted.

with models like these where upgradeability is limited due to soldered components i wouldnt take any risks and just go for the maximum config right away (which i did )

Problem is, portability is one of my main considerations. The SE is already pushing the limits of the thickness and weight I'm willing to consider. Unfortunately, thinner and lighter models (looking at you, GS60) are too expensive.

P6x0SE and P6x0SG have a few differences due to the thickness...also LCD cable depend on the screen ordered.

Better get what you want right away.

What I want is the 980m in the SE chassis

But seriously - the 4k screen has a different connector than the FHD? They're not both eDP? Not sure if I ever would actually do it, but it would have been nice to have the flexibility to upgrade that screen later. Oh well.

Another question that Prema might be able to answer - if we buy the P650SE today, and in the future want to upgrade the CPU and/or GPU by replacing the entire motherboard, would the motherboard from the P650SG fit into the SE case? Is the added thickness only due to a heavier heatsink and/or thicker heat pipes, or is there something else leading to that extra thickness? It seems to me that if the GS60 can cope with either a 970m or a 980m, then the already beefier cooling in the P650SE should be able to handle the 980m, too...

Edit: seems I was mistaken - the GS60 doesn't have a 980m option. Still wondering about an SG mobo in the SE chassis, though.

u understood me wrong concerning the 2.5" drives. i was actually talking about 2.5" SSDs, not mechanical drives. also pointing to 4KB write/read speeds (important for everyday system speed) not 4K display

LOL my bad I'll have to take a look at prices and speeds for those, although my 750GB mechanical is still a factor.

Edit: looks like for the Crucial M550, the speeds for the M.2 are identical to the 2.5".

just keep in mind that raid 0 has a higher risk of data loss when compared to using one single drive.

I'd be using it for the OS and game installs, so the only thing I'd be risking is having to reinstall, or losing any game config or state, and I'm not really worried about that. I will have a mechanical drive for actual data, plus external backups.

there definitely are several mainboard revisions since cpu and gpu are both soldered in, so in order to account for all possible hardware combos there will be different mobo revisions

I get that, I'm just trying to figure out if the M.2 configuration is one of those changes that requires a different motherboard.

concerning the m.2 slots: one of them is a combo sata/pcie slot, the other one exxlusively sata. m.2 ssds have either two gaps (sata only) or one gap (more pins, thus sata/pcie) in their connectors, thus the machine automatically detects which kind of m.2 ssd is plugged in.

what id also like to know though, is if i could still use the pcie ssd in combination with a second, separate (i.e. non-raid) m.2 ssd in sata more or is it really fact that one u install the pcie ssd the second slot is deactivated?

I get the key gaps on the M.2 card, I'm more worried about the motherboard supporting both kinds in the same slot - which it sounds like it will, for the first slot, at least.

edit: btw, why not go for 2 2.5" drives instead? afaik those are still way faster than pretty much all m.2 drives, especially when it comes to 4K speeds

I'll have to look up the real-world tested rates for M.2 SATA, I guess. I was looking at the advertised speeds of 550/350 MB/s read/write for the Crucial M550. According to Tom's Hardware, the mechanical drives I'd be getting do under 100 MB/s (unless, of course, I'm reading these charts (read, write, drives under $100) wrong), and aren't that much cheaper than the M.2s anyway. Also, I'm going with 1920x1080, not 4k, although DSR still renders 4k I think?

Other factors include power use, heat generation, weight, cost of getting 2x 7mm mechanical drives while losing the ability to use the 9.5mm 750GB drive I already have, not fully utilizing the storage capabilities of the platform...

Storage:

• Two changeable 2.5” 7mm(H) HDD/SSD (RAID 0/1), or One changeable 2.5” 9.5mm(H) HDD/SSD, SATA interface  (15" SE model)

• Two changeable 2.5” HDD/SSD, 1st 7mm(H), 2nd 7mm(H) / 9.5mm(H), SATA interface (RAID 0/1) (17" SE/SG and 15" SG model)

• (Factory Option) Two M.2 2280 SSD, SATA interface (RAID 0/1) or One M.2 2280 SSD. PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 interface

I'm a bit confused about the M.2 options. Does this mean there are two different motherboards? One with a single PCIe M.2 slot, and one with 2 SATA III M.2 slots? Or does it mean that there are always 2 slots, and the first slot supports either PCIe or SATA III (Is that even something that's possible with M.2? Sorry, I'm a bit new to SSDs), but if a PCIe card is present the 2nd slot is inactive?

Edit: After reading up on M.2, it seems likely that there's only one motherboard and that if you use a PCIe card in the first slot, the second slot will be disabled, but this raises an additional question - if the port also supports SATA, doesn't that mean it's connected to the SATA controller and that the PCIe device would be limited to SATA speeds?

The reason for asking is so I can know which kind of card to order separately (Newegg is about $50 cheaper than the system builder).

Edit: It seems that ordering 2 128gb SATA drives and putting them in RAID 0 will give faster performance and be less expensive than 1 256gb PCIe board, so I guess that's the way I'll go.

Both: CPU OC via BIOS or Intel XTU, GPU via NVIDIA Inspector etc...

Cool, I thought we were out of luck with the HQs.

CPU has one FAN, GPU has two.

And they're not shared? No connected heat pipe?

(It's not MXM, those P6xxSx have everything on board)

Boo. Kinda annoying that different sites give different info - at least one has said they were MXM. Oh, well.

If I would have to guess the P6xxSx Clevo models will be the better OCer with their....cough...3....cough...FAN system.

Nice! Cheaper than GS60, too... I'm almost sold, just want reviews, especially of the keyboard, before I commit. Can't buy until Friday, though.

How do you OC an HQ? Or is it the 970m that you're talking about OCing?

If I do get this system, I'll probably be annoying the heck out of you (prema) - this will be my first Clevo/Sager, and first MXM.

That MSI has only a 3GB onboard GTX970M...

There's an -064 config that has 6gb.

The 1080 screens are matte everywhere.

They're listed as glossy at mythlogic. If that's wrong... good! Maybe the P650SE is an option after all.

Those who already voted can PM or post their LCD preferences. (we will try to add them manually).

I wish there were a 3200x1800 option, but if i can afford it i think I'd might go with the 4k screen.

Also wish the screen were matte not glossy...

Added LCD options to the poll...

Can't add an LCD vote if we've already voted on the CPU/GPU

EDIT: Updated the rear picture to reflect production version.

Thanks. Still not exactly pretty, but I feel a lot better about potentially making this my new laptop now.