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24 minutes ago, TheReciever said:

best method is to probably make a stand for the panel of the laptop and connect to the GPU itself.

 

You mean disassemble my laptop and connect the gpu directly to the laptop screen? 

 

I couuld have that completely ass up. 

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Hi Babbler I've bought modular fanless XFX XTS, coupled with Radon Fury X fan, it fits quite well behind my 27" monitor. Unfortunately I think there is small chance that someone will find a method to send signal from eGPU to the laptop screen :( my wild guess is it should be possible with bios and drivers modding but there's not enough demand for that so no one's digging, its the same situation as with Nvidia Cards - it should be possible to unlock them as Lenovo showed with newer bioses  (which have AMD cards also blocked) that its software not hardware block but I guess its too much work for such small demand. So for now we are condemned to using external monitors only. But if we could build up solid community around this eGPU and collect enough money then we would probably be able to find someone advanced enough to help us with those problems.

Unfortunately Gerlad makes those adapters just as a side job or even for fun and he neither plan to expand production nor want to improve them so its not very likely.

 

The Reciver with all due respect ;) that idea don't make much sense - its better to buy graphic card with multi monitor support and add smaller cheap used screen - when you disassemble laptop like that you lose all mobility and it would be much more convenient to buy small desktop on Mini or Nano ITX, probably it would be cheaper also. Actually even Your external fan mode is close to loosing all advantage of eGPU coupled laptop and that's why I didn't "got" the idea right away when you mentioned it. For me Gerald adapter is great because it allows me to have a cheap, small, light, efficient laptop that I can carry when needed, with very powerful graphic card for playing at home and all of it quite close to price of comparable Mini ITX desktop.

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I dont know what it is with you but I have provided context to my plan like 2-3 times now and every time you miss certain pieces along the way.

 

Ive already stated multiple times that this will be the stay at home computer as I already have another laptop that I have also mentioned before that I would use for mobility. This is a full on efficiency of current parts machine into a desktop that I will keep until retirement, something I believe I have already mentioned before.

 

Having the laptop on the desktop with adapter, GPU, and PSU is a mess, and a terrible waste of space. Thus began my brainstorming of how to get that crap off the desk. Using the Coolermaster U3, you can use a couple of nails to hang the cooler on the wall, use the strap provided to keep it flush. Using a PCIE riser, you can extend the GPU to the opposite side of the pad and have it flush as well, you can also have a DA-3 (or PSU of choice) there as well.

 

If I recall correctly, you can still use the panel from the panel and onboard GPU but if you move a window or application from the panel to the external monitor computer will crash. I believe this was mentioned earlier on in the thread. If this is the case then while at the desk the panel is useless. With my scenario the panel is already useless to begin with. I dont waste components that are easily put to use. So, remove the panel altogether and make it a usable panel, been done for sometime and specifically with laptop panels too since they are dirt cheap.

 

I do NOT care about mobility on this laptop, I never mentioned that I have or ever will. This is only confounded because I have another laptop. Then if my fiance upgrades I have a 14" laptop with a stronger GPU anyways and this machine will continue to not be used.

 

I hope I have made this perfectly clear to you. Even though are interests align in terms of CPU grunt in relation to eGPU it does not imply that our interests are aligned to the same conclusion.

 

So yes, it makes no sense, to you. To me, its just properly using what I have available to me. Its not like someone needs a disclaimer to understand that if they remove their laptop panel then it will not be as useful away from their desk.

 

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2 hours ago, Zwierzak said:

Hi Babbler I've bought modular fanless XFX XTS, coupled with Radon Fury X fan, it fits quite well behind my 27" monitor. Unfortunately I think there is small chance that someone will find a method to send signal from eGPU to the laptop screen :( my wild guess is it should be possible with bios and drivers modding but there's not enough demand for that so no one's digging, its the same situation as with Nvidia Cards - it should be possible to unlock them as Lenovo showed with newer bioses  (which have AMD cards also blocked) that its software not hardware block but I guess its too much work for such small demand. So for now we are condemned to using external monitors only. But if we could build up solid community around this eGPU and collect enough money then we would probably be able to find someone advanced enough to help us with those problems.

Unfortunately Gerlad makes those adapters just as a side job or even for fun and he neither plan to expand production nor want to improve them so its not very likely.

 

I don't need the egpu going to my laptop screen. I game on my monitor connected to the egpu and use the laptop screen as a secondary monitor. I've already done some streaming with a game running on my monitor and using the laptop screen for obs and chat and that's worked perfectly fine.

 

8 hours ago, TheReciever said:

yeah, need a controller for it but yeah essentially.

 

Then that way you can move the laptop off the desk

 

I like having a intact laptop that I can move in 5 minutes if I wanted to so I probably won't be dissembling it.

 

1 hour ago, TheReciever said:

If I recall correctly, you can still use the panel from the panel and onboard GPU but if you move a window or application from the panel to the external monitor computer will crash. I believe this was mentioned earlier on in the thread. If this is the case then while at the desk the panel is useless. With my scenario the panel is already useless to begin with. I dont waste components that are easily put to use. So, remove the panel altogether and make it a usable panel, been done for sometime and specifically with laptop panels too since they are dirt cheap.

 

 

 

I can drag applications from one screen to another and it works.  I'm constantly doing it with chrome tabs and other programs. Just then to make sure it worked with something beefier, I started a game in windowed mode, dragged it over to my laptop screen, and it ran perfectly fine.

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I kind of managed to fit everything on my desk though cable management is a bit of a nightmare at the moment especially because of the non-modular psu (please excuse the image quality I took it with a potato).

 

The only problem I'm having right now with regards to the egpu setup -other than needing a bigger desk- is that the adapter won't seat very well in the connector at all so if I move anything I get an hard lock and have to reboot. Taking that picture I tried to see if I could move that cord that is sticking up behind the gpu into a different position and it was enough of a jostle to lock my computer up. I have the adapter pushed in as far as it will go.

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My adapter isn't under pressure or stress from anything, it just doesn't seat well.  I wish it seated better but the only reason it's annoying for me is that my girlfriend broke her monitor so she's been using mine and I've been disconnecting and reconnecting it to the egpu over the last couple of days. Once she gets another monitor/hdmi cable it's a non-issue since it's not going to happen very often that I'm fiddling with it or moving things while it's running.

 

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Babbler I have exactly the same problem with the adapter so I'll try to fit it into additional ultrabay 750/755m chassis. I'm currently looking for broken card but if I can't find it ill use my working one and post the results.

 

TheReciver firstly could you lessen a bit on your causticity ? I don't try to be hostile in my statements so you don't have a reason to be either. Secondly the reason for your setup is purely fun - it has no reasonable application as using mini or micro ITX would done the same job easier and simpler, if You would sell your Y510p also cheaper and with proper parts on parr with it considering electrical efficiency . Most of people who are interested in Gerald eGPU adapter have more practical approach. And about moving laptop from the desk surface - the simplest thing would be to set it below desk - like many people do with custom computers. Setting it in on the wall with additional raisers and external fans will only create more unsightly mess or maybe I totally don't have a proper picture of your placement idea. And pleas don't get me wrong I find your idea interesting, its obviously your choice what to do with your hardware, money and time, and I'm quite interested in what results you achieve, but  as you posted your intentions on forum I have a right to discuss it and express My opinion about it. 

 

Now about the 4930mx overclocking, I've talked with electronic specialist and he claims (and probably rightly so) that 85A limit is built into VRM surrounding circuit as a safeguard and not soft coded into EC. So to get 4930mx to its full potential we would need a rather hefty hardware mode including exchanging mosfets  and meddling with VRM.  Right now I need fully working motherboard to test limits of 4930mx oc on 85A although from what he says going up to 95A allows using around 100w by CPU so those 10amps less should still be able to give us more than 3800mhz with 57w TP. Ill try to fiddle with hardware mode later on after Ill check what I can get with normal hardware configuration.

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19 hours ago, Dangerous D said:

Anybody have the adapter they want to sell?  Like to try one.  Thanks

 

I have two adapters. If you need one I can sell it.

You can pay it by PayPal.

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2 hours ago, Zwierzak said:

TheReciver firstly could you lessen a bit on your causticity ? I don't try to be hostile in my statements so you don't have a reason to be either. Secondly the reason for your setup is purely fun - it has no reasonable application as using mini or micro ITX would done the same job easier and simpler, if You would sell your Y510p also cheaper and with proper parts on parr with it considering electrical efficiency . Most of people who are interested in Gerald eGPU adapter have more practical approach. And about moving laptop from the desk surface - the simplest thing would be to set it below desk - like many people do with custom computers. Setting it in on the wall with additional raisers and external fans will only create more unsightly mess or maybe I totally don't have a proper picture of your placement idea. And pleas don't get me wrong I find your idea interesting, its obviously your choice what to do with your hardware, money and time, and I'm quite interested in what results you achieve, but  as you posted your intentions on forum I have a right to discuss it and express My opinion about it. 

 

Ive already mentioned that i am in korea, and that selling this is unreasonable as not everyone speaks english, nor wants to change the connector to fit the standard here (power). The chances of explaining the mods are low, as I dont speak korean either.

 

These are things i have mentioned already here. Its basically a case in point that your still missing points and that I have to repeat myself over and over and over again. It gets old, fast.

 

I dont care if you discuss it, the problem is your discussing something that only exists in your head because what your discussing is not what I am planning, but you make it out to be and its just annoying as hell having to correct again and again and again. misrepresenting someones position is one of the more annoying things people can do, and you offer no hedges of possibility in misunderstanding.

 

Basically your whole response are things I have already addressed here. Which makes it just that much more irritating. The highlighted portion is your first hedge, without them it sounds like your speaking in full understanding when for a while that has not been the case. So then I have to rewind, re explain the same thing, and also correct where your incorrect. Which is fine the first couple of times in discussion, it happens.

 

Im just getting tired of you stating my position makes no logical sense, and seeing your reasoning not back up that statement in the slightest, all the while offering little to no hedges. If you dont think you have a clear understanding that state as much and ask me to explain in a different way or provide a picture or something.

 

Assuming things makes and ass out of u and me

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Zwierzak said:

Babbler I have exactly the same problem with the adapter so I'll try to fit it into additional ultrabay 750/755m chassis. I'm currently looking for broken card but if I can't find it ill use my working one and post the results.

 

 

I never thought about that. That's a good idea. It be great if it sat more firmly and it could be easily inserted and removed. I wonder if an hard drive ultrabay caddy might work.

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@Zwierzak and @TheReciever just stop it please. That discussion is unhealthy. From my POV, you are both right. I understand both positions. Just drop it, ok?

 

Lets keep this discussion a bit less personal and a bit more professional, because I (and others) had LONG pages to read, but no substantial info to go forward. 

 

Soo.. @gerald whats the difference between v1 and v2 adapters? Was hard for me to find any differences between the posts..

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Then accurately argue a point, misrepresentation is something no one appreciates, If I have to be firm to make it clear then Im sorry that rustles your feathers.

 

Im pretty sure a lot of forums dont like intermember policing, just report if you feel something is breaching ToS is the usual policy

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TheReciver you are creating a problem when non exist - I didn't have a problem whit your intentions until you started to  answer like a jerk - You remember when I asked you for unlocked  bios and you 3 or 4 times directed me to bios download files even when I clearly stated that I cant use bios backup program - and it didn't have anything to do with me editing posts as I've asked you directly about already unlocked one and you assumed I don't know what I'm doing? That got old really fast but I didn't start to behave like an offended 5 year old. English is not my native language either so sometimes I have problems with understanding some concepts right away but you clearly don't want to understand that other people have different views. From practical point of view making y510p in weaker more problematic PC don't have much useful application - people were making such builds at least from time of Pentium 2 CPUs (at least I remember such attempts from that time) probably earlier, and it was always "for fun and knowledge" as you are loosing both PC and laptop virtues but keep vices of both of them (no mobility, high price, complicated build etc)  and most users just want to get best part of those worlds.  Although  I support your approach as I'm as curious as You are how it will come out I tend to accept more practical direction and dismantling laptop screen and making it another stationary monitor don't fit with that, - but I have never claimed that your idea don't have sense, its just not very practical.

 

We can be hostile towards each other or we can work together to squeeze as much of that laptop as we can manage - I would prefer the second outcome and I think our misunderstandings might be caused by language and cultural barrier/differences so I would ask You for a bit more forgiving approach to my comments - I really try not be aggressive in my statements but its hard to "feel" that in foreign language.

 

From what we learned so far we know that we can use Gerald adapter with windows 8 and that we can use internal and external displays together -  its possible that it was mended in newer AMD drivers or its specific graphic card related, from what I know no one has made extensive tries with this adapter and different AMD cards. I also started to look in to 4930mx OC and maybe I will get some solid results - If someone could provide full NCP81103 VRM integrated circuit  datasheet it would help us immensely as without it I cant find out if it is able to withstand larger currents and what elements need to be changed on mobo to get rid of 85A limit from it (thou mosfet replacement would be a must as current high side ones have 85A limit). Thou we have different approach and we have various builds in mind we can definitely benefit from cooperation so if I can ask you  that You would try to relax and just assign the things that annoy You in my posts to my language inaptness I would be really grateful.

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Well thats like, your opinion, man.

 

the problem with your BIOS is that you didnt want to take the needed steps to do it correctly from scratch, while i was crunching for physics (Im on the clock). During which time you insulted my intelligence a few times but I let that slide even though you were being all pushy about it. you can clearly state all you want but the fact of the matter is, you wanted the short cut and after some prodding I finally took the time to give it to you. English may not be your first language but you obviously know how to insult with it, Im sure it would be no surprise to learn that people will be short with you afterwards.

 

I think your opinion towards my actions are worthless not because its your opinion but because you cant seem to grasp the why I am doing what I am doing even though I painstakingly provided context several times over.

 

Ive got what I wanted from this thread, I will continue with my project and post its results elsewhere, I dont need your approval or a positive reception. You keep taking my ideas and compare them with your own, its no wonder why you think its not practical, my scenario is NOT your scenario and never will. I will repeat again, our interests aligned temporarily but the problem is your assumption that we are desiring the same end result. I mean, I dont know how many times I need to state that I dont need this laptop to be mobile, I have 2 other laptops for that if the need arises. All I want is raw power.

 

Anyways, best of luck everyone with your projects. Im done sharing here.

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14 hours ago, lil kim said:

@Zwierzak and @TheReciever just stop it please. That discussion is unhealthy. From my POV, you are both right. I understand both positions. Just drop it, ok?

 

Lets keep this discussion a bit less personal and a bit more professional, because I (and others) had LONG pages to read, but no substantial info to go forward. 

 

Soo.. @gerald whats the difference between v1 and v2 adapters? Was hard for me to find any differences between the posts..

 

I have never sold v1 adapters because they didn't worked.

 

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TheReciver I guess I've deserved that  last answer :D my own for your previous one was a bit too passive aggressive :whistle: shouldn't have wrote it after few beers. But I really didn't mean to insult You, again about unlocked bios - fptw64 dost want to work under WIN 8.1 and installing windows 7 would take a lot of fuss (I'd had to download it install it get all the drivers etc) especially that it allegedly don't work with Geralds adapter (that remain to be check thou because it might work after all since windows 8 works) so it was much faster and easier to ask someone for his already unlocked one - its not a short cutting just common sense.

I'm fully aware You don't care about that laptop mobility - its juts that I and I think most of people plying with eGPUs do. That's the reason eGPUs were devised in the first place, to enhance laptop capabilities not to turn them into desktop PCs. Your project is quite interesting from scientific point of view and I would like to see how it will turn out to look in the end but what You have in mind is very specific application.

My opinions and my views are just "my own" and I wouldn't even bother with stating them in length if You wouldn't insist that I don't get your idea - it took me around 2 posts to get it but at this point you already started to be angry " I dont know what it is with you but I have provided context to my plan like 2-3 times now and every time you miss certain pieces along the way" etc. I think You take this whole thing much to seriously but as everything else its Your choice.

I would prefer to "work" alongside your project development as Your help, thou a bit "bitter", was quite valuable but as we clearly have problems with communication without  unnecessary  stress  all I can do Is wish you best of luck with your endeavour - ill try to find it when it will be completed but I wont say a word about it ;)

   

 

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Hi all, I need some advise to get my y510p tuned.  I'm pretty interested to get the adapter. But my main concern is about compatibility, I Have the y510p with the 750M SLI version, WIN10 64bits, migrated from Win 8.1 , 

 

I'm aware that must be an AMD card, so I will buy this card

GPU

https://www.pccomponentes.com/sapphire-nitro-radeon-rx-480-oc-4gb-gddr5

 

PSU

https://www.pccomponentes.com/tacens-mars-gaming-vulcano-750w-80-plus-silver-modular-rojo

 

Do you think that the y510p will manage this card? Anyone with compatibility issues? My main concern is about compatibility, because I need to do some invest in the GPU, the eGPU adaptor and the PSU. Of course, my long term invest is to build my new computer. My other concern is related to the CPU temp, the y510p withstand such power? My concern is the overheating issues, I see some people removing the keyboard, a NO option for me. I will not tweak the CPU fan curve, voltages and removing the 4700MQ from the hood.

 

In regards with the PSU, I will buy something around 600W power. My bios version is the V2.07 stock.

 

Any comment will be appreciated, the specs are on the file bellow. Thank you and best regards.

specs y510p.JPG

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I run an XFX RX 480 with the laptop CPU at stock. The adaptor will not add any extra heat to your laptop CPU if anything it will reduce it as the embedded graphics cards will no longer be running. You could also buy a cooling pad if you are really worried.

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