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... You could run an AIDA test to confirm but I believe that your CL11 2T is faster than my CL12 1T. A bunch of performace results here.

Single and dual channel benches @ 2133 CL11 CR2

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Also it turns out that after a shutdown, there is no problem booting up, but restarting causes black screen, and problems even when trying to coldstart. iGPU has no artifacts, and everything is fine once i can get it to boot.

... Could you help me with something? Could you test if your i5-3230M has any unlocked multipliers?...

AFAIK none of the i5 bear with this capability, setting the 1C and 2C max multis to 33 (0x21) had no effect. (as visible on the benches above)

... Also, if you have some time. It would be helpful to investigate if we can OC the iGPU on an i5. You can check here how it worked with the i7. I tested with my i3 and it was a no go. Let's find out if it works with the i5s...

Yes, iGPU is overclockable in this i5. Although enabling GT OC Support does not enable manual tuning the clock and voltage in XTU (like with Haswell) but raising the freq. in the BIOS works. Interestingly modifying these settings resulted in that previously available turbo power settings are now greyed out in XTU, will investigate this issue further. Also i will try to raise the BCLK (by default, i can set it between 99.5 and 100, but it looks like it doesn't affect BCLK at all, as visible in TS), but i have to retrieve my SPI programmer, because i really don't want to mangle with the pinmodding method. Results will come next week.

UPDATE: The following post by me is my fist (but not last) contribution to the info-base in the first post of this thread. It contains all the memory configuration settings available in the BIOS, with EFI vars, and occasionally some extra info about the setting, and default values. Fiddling with EFI vars is very inconvienent, especially with the lack of scripting capabilities (efi/boot/startup.nsh does not work), so it would be a real ease to somehow unlock all the hidden menus in the Aptio bios. I will check the possibilities of doing that, but even if it is possible, a hardware SPI programmer is necessarry AFAIK.

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Finally, i reached "adult" status on this board, and now i can post by myself smile.png

I successfully upgraded the SB i3, to an IB i5-3230M for 15$. Since my HyperX 2133Mhz kit is already migrated to the Dell, the first boot revealed that the memory controller of the i5 cant cope with the PnP (JEDEC) 2133Mhz @CL11. I locked the memory speed down to 1600Mhz CL11 , replacing one of the kingstons with a samsung module, just to be able to check the new CPU is working properly. Yes it does, and a little bit of TSBench revealed that it does outperform my Haswell-ULV on the same clock not only with lower power consumption (15.1W thanks to the Haswells IVR and integrated PCH VS 10.9W) but a 32M TSBench completes almost a second faster. The Haswell system has a very lean w8.1 x64 install, and the Ivy has a bloated w7 x64. (no throttling occurs, both cpus are running @2.4Ghz during the whole bench)
The other thing which makes me very happy that when C-states are disabled in the bios, i can still toggle C1E using Throttlestop for the Battery profile(I was able to do the same on 1st gen. Core i anno, but unable to do it with 4th.gen.), and although it does not enable C3, C6 and C7, but still has a substantial impact in idle power consumption (3.1W vs 7.1W). And the advantages of disabled C states in my usage scenario is huge, so the ~+1W power consumption when idling is a fair trade-off for me.(This i5 idles around 2.5W with all C states enabled, although i have not tinkered with the settings so far to see if this can be reduced)

The next thing on my list is finding the limit of the memory controller, but i'll have to dig into the topic deeper... My kit is a Kingston HX321LS11IB2K2/16, if anybody with the same kit would share their settings that would be great.

UPDATE: Using EFI variables (Thanks timohour for the extract of A16 BIOS), i was able to lock the memory freq. to 1866, so my kit is running in dual channel 1866Mhz 10-11-12-30 CR1. This could be useful for some other folks too, when the automatic freq. configuration makes the system unusable, but one can get into the one-time boot menu (F12 during Dell logo). Unfortunately my machine wont even get to POST when the auto memory frequency configures the sticks to run @ 2133. Also, changing boot mode from Legacy to UEFI when one wants to mangle with EFI vars is unnecessary, because even in Legacy mode there is option to boot into the EFI shell from the USB drive. I guess SecureBoot still has to be disabled, but i will check.

Setting: Memory Frequency, Variable: 0x1E6 {05 A6 12 04 13 04 D1 01 02 00 E6 01 10 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BA3             Option: Auto, Value: 0x0 {09 0E BE 02 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BB1             Option: 1067, Value: 0x1 {09 0E 14 04 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BBF             Option: 1333, Value: 0x2 {09 0E 15 04 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BCD             Option: 1600, Value: 0x3 {09 0E 16 04 00 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BDB             Option: 1867, Value: 0x4 {09 0E 17 04 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BE9             Option: 2133, Value: 0x5 {09 0E 18 04 00 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60BF7             Option: 2400, Value: 0x6 {09 0E 19 04 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C05             Option: 2667, Value: 0x7 {09 0E 1A 04 00 00 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}


There is another EFI var that for DIMM2 (the top slot) but it does not need to be modified if running dual chanel, because the freq, and timings will be determined by the module with the worst capabilities. I've also noticed that there is something wrong with the values, because this should be only 8 bit, instead of 12 (?!)

Setting: Memory Frequency, Variable: 0x1E7 {05 A6 12 04 13 04 D2 01 02 00 E7 01 10 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C3B             Option: 1067, Value: 0x42B {09 0E 14 04 00 01 2B 04 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C49             Option: 1333, Value: 0x535 {09 0E 15 04 30 01 35 05 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C57             Option: 1600, Value: 0x640 {09 0E 16 04 00 01 40 06 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C65             Option: 1867, Value: 0x74B {09 0E 17 04 00 01 4B 07 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C73             Option: 2133, Value: 0x855 {09 0E 18 04 00 01 55 08 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C81             Option: 2400, Value: 0x960 {09 0E 19 04 00 01 60 09 00 00 00 00 00 00}
0x60C8F             Option: 2667, Value: 0xA75 {09 0E 1A 04 00 01 75 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00}


UPDATE2: I was also able to boot into windows @2133 CL11-12-13(factory) , when manually setting EFI var 0x1EF (Nmode) to 2N instead of auto. Using 2N mode improves stability, but 1N offers the maximum performance. Memory bandwith R/W/C was around 28k/30k/28k Mb/s. Before running a GFX bench to check for iGPU instability, i've restarted the system. Tried to restart, to be exact, because this functionality is lost, but there are some other settings available in the bios at the memory section, so maybe this could work out better than loosening the timings. I will continue to experiment tomorrow, until then i've reverted back to 1866, which is stable with the factory (tight) timings.
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...If it's okay, I linked your content on the first post for future reference.

Of course, I intended that post to be embedded in Your first post :) Thanks for the advices. I have a hard time getting accustomed to this board's formatting options, that's why i embedded it as "code". I wrote that post in text editor, and indented it to be easy on the eye but when copy/pasting it into the text editor of course the indention got messed up.

I will continue to update that post in the next few days with additional info, as i'm experimenting with memory settings.

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So it turns out my ME firmware was already modded, by the previous owner i guess, with the exact same settings as the one provided by Khenglish. Too bad, that the slider has a range of 99.5-100, and does nothing in practice, i guess because my CPU is only an i5. Interesting that the decsriptor was locked back.

RAM is low priority, because i got it stable at 2133@cl11 CR2 (still no reset tho but i haven't actually tried anything since), but i tinkered with the BIOS a bit, and there is no documented way to unlock the hidden menus. Its an AMI Aptio, customized by Dell. At least i can be sure that advanced settings are only hidden from the user, not that DELL does not even implement them in the setup module. I will try my best but i have not much time on weekdays. In the worst case i could get a tree-like structure with all the options, and info, wich is more clean then the raw extracted var list currently provided by timohour, but essentially contains the same info already available..

What i have discovered in the last days is that the flash descriptor doesn't get locked back by a bios update, and the BIOS region write protection can be sucessfully disabled by setting EFI var 0x40 to 0x0. I read somewhere in this thread that there were some problems regarding this.

Also my HDD caddy arrived (3.5$ from eBay), and i'm very happy that the latch/ejector thingy can be placed on it from the DVD, along with the faceplate. So basically the cheapest available 9.5mm caddy from eBay is as good as the more expensive ones. One little difficulty is that the 2 fixing screws are too short (At least fot this caddy) and has to be replaced. I had compatible screws, but anyone who doesn't can buy them from an optician shop for example.

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So it turns out my ME firmware was already modded, by the previous owner i guess, with the exact same settings as the one provided by Khenglish. Too bad, that the slider has a range of 99.5-100, and does nothing in practice, i guess because my CPU is only an i5. Interesting that the decsriptor was locked back.

RAM is low priority, because i got it stable at 2133@cl11 CR2 (still no reset tho but i haven't actually tried anything since), but i tinkered with the BIOS a bit, and there is no documented way to unlock the hidden menus. Its an AMI Aptio, customized by Dell. At least i can be sure that advanced settings are only hidden from the user, not that DELL does not even implement them in the setup module. I will try my best but i have not much time on weekdays. In the worst case i could get a tree-like structure with all the options, and info, wich is more clean then the raw extracted var list currently provided by timohour, but essentially contains the same info already available..

What i have discovered in the last days is that the flash descriptor doesn't get locked back by a bios update, and the BIOS region write protection can be sucessfully disabled by setting EFI var 0x40 to 0x0. I read somewhere in this thread that there were some problems regarding this.

Also my HDD caddy arrived (3.5$ from eBay), and i'm very happy that the latch/ejector thingy can be placed on it from the DVD, along with the faceplate. So basically the cheapest available 9.5mm caddy from eBay is as good as the more expensive ones. One little difficulty is that the 2 fixing screws are too short (At least fot this caddy) and has to be replaced. I had compatible screws, but anyone who doesn't can buy them from a spectacle shop for example.

Regarding your ME FW OC: There is no difference if it is an i3 or a i5 or a i7. I had successfully OCed my i3-3120M @2.62 using BCLK OC. The problem is most probably that in your modified ME FW the clock range definition record has not been changed. I had made the same mistake the first time I modded and @Khenglish helped me fix it . Could you provide your ME FW dump to check?

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I checked the one provided by Khenglish, and my dump side by side, but have not identified any differences. maybe i was too tired. I have also sucessfuly flashed the one provided by Khenglish, but then there isn't even a slider :D Of course i followed the instructuons so cold started the machine, reinstalled (the newest) XTU but no slider.

The dump, wich has slider but bad range

Interestingly, i have "updated" from A16 to A16 just bc curiousity, and compared the vanilla bios region with the dump from my flash, and they are not identical.

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Left is the one I made for badbadbad and right is yours... Do you see the difference??? ;)

The Clock Div Min is what sets your upper limit. Khenglish set this 0x0180 which is huge. If you want you can set it 0x0A00 (~120MHz) or closer to 0x0C0E... Happy OCing!!!

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OK, so still no success overclocking BCLK. I have experimented a lot, bricked the machine a dozen times. I will share my experiences, but basically it will be a wall of text regarding how buggy the dell BIOS update mechanism is, there is something fishy with the contents of my flash, and that i tried every possible combination of bios version, modifications, ME FW, but the best i could get is a 0.5% slider, which has no practical effect (and it is the same as i got the machine). Before everything, could You please upload me a complete dump of Your flash contents with FPTW? My last hope is to check how does that work out if i use a full copy of the contents of your flash.

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Nice thread with impressive findings. Especially the UEFI variables are great. Used it aleady for other E6XX0s.

I've had a couple of spare E6530's (i7-3740QM+dGPU) at work and discovered that I'd need more cpu power at home.

Finally I found some good offers for E6430 + CPU as replacement for my E6330 (i5-3360M).

The switch over was pretty easy... just replaced the CPU, inserted my hdds, lowered the tolud and everything was up and running.

specs:

  • E6430 (iGPU model)
  • i7-3610QM
  • RAM: 8GB Hyundai Default PC3-12800
  • SSD: Crucial M500 240GB
  • HDD in DVD bay: WD Red 1TB
  • eGPU: ZOTAC GeForce GTX 670 AMP! Edition via PE4C 2.1a

planned mods:

  • replace screen (currently hd)
  • replace broadcom wifi with Intel Ultimate N 6300

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Nice thread with impressive findings. Especially the UEFI variables are great. Used it aleady for other E6XX0s.

I've had a couple of spare E6530's (i7-3740QM+dGPU) at work and discovered that I'd need more cpu power at home.

Finally I found some good offers for E6430 + CPU as replacement for my E6330 (i5-3360M).

As a E6330 user I would like to ask you if the E6330 is much lighter to carry around compared to the E6430...

The switch over was pretty easy... just replaced the CPU, inserted my hdds, lowered the tolud and everything was up and running.

specs:

  • E6430 (iGPU model)
  • i7-3610QM
  • RAM: 8GB Hyundai Default PC3-12800
  • SSD: Crucial M500 240GB
  • HDD in DVD bay: WD Red 1TB
  • eGPU: ZOTAC GeForce GTX 670 AMP! Edition via PE4C 2.1a

planned mods:

  • replace screen (currently hd)
  • replace broadcom wifi with Intel Ultimate N 6300

Nice you find these helpful... you got some great specs and you can see at least 10% more CPU power with an OCed i7-37x0QM...

There is no documentation for upgrading the screen on the first post but you can find some potentially useful info here. Too bad there is no 1080p or bigger 14" option for our laptops (1CH or 2CH LVDS)...

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As a E6330 user I would like to ask you if the E6330 is much lighter to carry around compared to the E6430...

Sure, I did a small comparison, since I have the complete E6X30 series at home smile.png

The E6430 still fits in my favourite bag, as the E6330 did. Especially if you have the large battery in the E6330, it's deeper than the E6430 with the regular battery. The E6430 is about 1.7cm wider.

This are the specs:

  • E6330, iGPU model, 65Wh battery
  • E6430, iGPU model, 60Wh battery
  • E6530, dGPU model, 97Wh battery

1) I've put them on a body scale (bad precision):

  • E6330: 2.0kg
  • E6430: 2.4kg
  • E6530: 3.0kg

2) Pictures:

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I really like that carbon-effect foil on the e6430. DIY?

It's at least 2nd hand... but it looks very professional. I guess it's no factory option, since I didn't find anything on the part list.

Perhaps the cover was scratched and the seller applied it to increase the value.

I'm still trying to decrease the battery wear with training, but nevertheless it's not yet time to replace the battery (~25-30%). In conrast my E6330's battery is almost in mint condition (0,1% wear). It was in a good shape when I got it last year and I turned off Express Charge...

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I managed to boot a i7 3630QM on bios A07 of my iGPU E6430, but the bios does not let me enable all 4 cores. I want to give it a shot before switching back to the i5.

I'm new so I haven't checked the IFR to see if it is possible to make the bios let me use all the cores

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I have a question about dynamic TOLUD.

Doing everything as described in nando's thread about his 6230, I get no effect. TOLUD is unaffected and what's more, I get a black screen (Windows is starting however, I hear sounds).

Here's what I do:

- setting the two switches on my EXP GDC in "zero" position (I am pulling them away from HDMI port)

- plug all the cables (power and ExpressCard)

- power on the laptop

If I set the second switch in the middle position, laptop starts and my eGPU i recognized but I get error 12. Do I have to tweak UEFI variables?

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I managed to boot a i7 3630QM on bios A07 of my iGPU E6430, but the bios does not let me enable all 4 cores. I want to give it a shot before switching back to the i5.

I'm new so I haven't checked the IFR to see if it is possible to make the bios let me use all the cores

What do you mean you can't enable all 4 cores.. You don't have to change anything. It will work OOB.

Check into your device manager under Processors how many Intel® Core i7-3630QM CPU @ 2.4GHz do you see? If there are 8 you are OK!

I have a question about dynamic TOLUD.

Doing everything as described in nando's thread about his 6230, I get no effect. TOLUD is unaffected and what's more, I get a black screen (Windows is starting however, I hear sounds).

Here's what I do:

- setting the two switches on my EXP GDC in "zero" position (I am pulling them away from HDMI port)

- plug all the cables (power and ExpressCard)

- power on the laptop

If I set the second switch in the middle position, laptop starts and my eGPU i recognized but I get error 12. Do I have to tweak UEFI variables?

In order for the dynamic TOLUD to work you should set the BIOS boot mode to thorough. If this doesn't work you can always set your TOLUD manually with UEFI variables. What are your specs? iGPU/dGPU/eGPU?

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In order for the dynamic TOLUD to work you should set the BIOS boot mode to thorough. If this doesn't work you can always set your TOLUD manually with UEFI variables. What are your specs? iGPU/dGPU/eGPU?

Yeah, I did that and it did not work. But nevermind, I managed to changed TOLUD using UEFI and it's fine now. However, that's not the end. I can't keep 1.2OPT. Yes, it sets initially to 1.2 (when starting a render test in GPU-Z) but after few seconds it goes down back to 1.1 :/ I have no idea why. I've been trying to modify UEFI variables to force Gen 2 PCI but it didn't help. I also used Setup 1.3 - still nothing. I really don't know what to do next.

Maybe it's my shitty GPU - GT 730, 2GB GDDR5 64 bit ?

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What do you mean you can't enable all 4 cores.. You don't have to change anything. It will work OOB.

Check into your device manager under Processors how many Intel® Core i7-3630QM CPU @ 2.4GHz do you see? If there are 8 you are OK!

In order for the dynamic TOLUD to work you should set the BIOS boot mode to thorough. If this doesn't work you can always set your TOLUD manually with UEFI variables. What are your specs? iGPU/dGPU/eGPU?

I have the iGPU version. It actually didn't work OOB and in my BIOS I can only pick either All, 1 or 2 cores. I left the setting at 2 cores and booting and verifying showed I was only on 2/4 possible cores on my 3630QM. I got around the issue after I enabled trusted execution and it works now.

Temps after thermal paste swap with the single-heatpipe cooler goes up to 88 deg C after turbo. I am keeping turbo off and it goes up to 75 deg C after Intel XUT stress test. Upgraded from A07 to A12 with no issues.

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Yeah, I did that and it did not work. But nevermind, I managed to changed TOLUD using UEFI and it's fine now. However, that's not the end. I can't keep 1.2OPT. Yes, it sets initially to 1.2 (when starting a render test in GPU-Z) but after few seconds it goes down back to 1.1 :/ I have no idea why. I've been trying to modify UEFI variables to force Gen 2 PCI but it didn't help. I also used Setup 1.3 - still nothing. I really don't know what to do next.

Maybe it's my shitty GPU - GT 730, 2GB GDDR5 64 bit ?

Try something that puts more load on your GT730. Furmark for example and monitor. If it shows x1.2 even for a little it is enabled and it goes down to x1.1 to save power. Does this happen on the internal screen or external? do you have an iGPU or dGPU model?

I have the iGPU version. It actually didn't work OOB and in my BIOS I can only pick either All, 1 or 2 cores. I left the setting at 2 cores and booting and verifying showed I was only on 2/4 possible cores on my 3630QM. I got around the issue after I enabled trusted execution and it works now.

Temps after thermal paste swap with the single-heatpipe cooler goes up to 88 deg C after turbo. I am keeping turbo off and it goes up to 75 deg C after Intel XUT stress test. Upgraded from A07 to A12 with no issues.

Why set this 2 cores and not All? Setting this to all or better restoring the BIOS to your defaults would solve any issue.

88 C is not very high. These chips thermal throttle by themselves @ 105C. I have had turbo enabled for more than 6 months and @ full load I saw temperatures of 95C (Prime95), but in everyday work I never saw such high temperatures. You can either use Throttlestop to set profiles (Gaming / work / web) or better I installed the Dell Enhancement Pack which provides extra power options. I would use each power option when I needed it (full power, cool or extreme powersaving).

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Try something that puts more load on your GT730. Furmark for example and monitor. If it shows x1.2 even for a little it is enabled and it goes down to x1.1 to save power. Does this happen on the internal screen or external? do you have an iGPU or dGPU model?

This is exactly what happens - 1.2 is shown just initially, for a little and then goes down to 1.1 but there is no FPS drop. I've been trying Skyrim, GPU-Z render test and Furmark.

This happens both on internal and external screen. The difference is, that on internal screen bus load shows ~80% for 1.2 / 99% for 1.1 and for external these values are halved.

So, does it mean that I have nothing to worry about? My theory is, that eGPU is so weak that there is no need for 1.2 speed, it can't make any use of it anyway.

Is there a way to - let's say - modify VBIOS and change power management?

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On 6/12/2015 at 11:09 AM, Orson said:

This is exactly what happens - 1.2 is shown just initially, for a little and then goes down to 1.1 but there is no FPS drop. I've been trying Skyrim, GPU-Z render test and Furmark.

This happens both on internal and external screen. The difference is, that on internal screen bus load shows ~80% for 1.2 / 99% for 1.1 and for external these values are halved.

So, does it mean that I have nothing to worry about? My theory is, that eGPU is so weak that there is no need for 1.2 speed, it can't make any use of it anyway.

Is there a way to - let's say - modify VBIOS and change power management?

Can't say for sure. But your theory could be valid.... Do you have a desktop you can test if the card has the same results there? Also did you try to set the EC port @ Gen2 (either with setup 1.30 or UEFI variables)?

Sorry for the late reply but I couldn't reply ;)

The new forum may have some things out of place but it is certainly better... I thought it would never come up.

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Do you have a desktop you can test if the card has the same results there?

 

Not at home but I am planning to test it at work :)

 

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Also did you try to set the EC port @ Gen2 (either with setup 1.30 or UEFI variables)?

 

I did, I tried both options (UEFI & setup 1.3). Every time i get the same results.

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Hi,

 

I had the same problem using the standard power brick from the E6430 while using my 3740QM cpu and the 39 multi @ 4 cores. Using Throtlestop I could't get any higher than the 34 multi and the cpu was limited to 46W max. I then used a universal 90W power brick and was able to maintain the 39 multi threw out the test and was able to go up to 59W.

This got my attention due to the situation first described by the user Dewos on page 13 of this post.

If this is confirmed. In my opinion it is a serious limitation to using the quad core cpus with unlocked turbo bins with the standard 90W Dell power brick.

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17 minutes ago, Tempest said:

Hi,

 

I had the same problem using the standard power brick from the E6430 while using my 3740QM cpu and the 39 multi @ 4 cores. Using Throtlestop I could't get any higher than the 34 multi and the cpu locked as if it was limited to 46W max. I then used a universal 90W power brick and was able to maintain the 39 multi threw out the test and was able to go up to 59W.

This got my attention due to the situation first described by the user Dewos on page 13 of this post.

If this is confirmed. In my opinion it is a serious limitation to using the quad core cpus with unlocked turbo bins with the standard 90W Dell power brick.

 

Is this with the long and short duration limit set to higher values or defaults?

 

I have been using my E6430 with i7-3720QM @ full multipliers withouth issues with both 90W and 130W Dell PSUs. Only problem was that after a few minutes of full load it will throttle from time to time as discussed here.

 

I could test on an E6530 I recently grubbed for a friend too but I don't think it will make any difference.

Most of the times the standard power brick shipped with E6430/E6530 is 65W. Could you check if your Dell PSU is 90W or 65W?

Could you provide your BIOS version too?

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