svl7 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yeah.... another "M15x with *enter GPU here* " thread That makes it the ninth GPU model I had working in this system... (the 10th is already running tests now... *hint* *hint* ) Soo... anyway. The card I got is from MSI, it works fine, but only with the proper vbios, else you'll end up with a black screen. The board is identical to the 7970m, at least I couldn't spot a difference, check the pics... However it didn't work with the 7970m vbios at all, it ended up with a complete brick, no way to recover with blind flashing, so I have to advise anyone against trying this. Word has it that the 7970m works with the 8970m vbios, haven't had the chance to test this so far, but in case this is true you'll have to watch out, people could sell 7970m as 8970m. (Right side: 7970m, left side: 8970m) Compared to the 7970m AMD increased the core clock by 50MHz to 900MHz for the 3d profile. In addition to this they lowered the 3d voltage by 0.05V to 1.0V, which results in lower temperatures at load. During the short time I spent with this GPU I didn't a lot of differences to the 7970m cards I ran in my system. The card idles at a very low voltage, resulting in a cool and quiet system when browsing the web and similar. AMD overdrive is activated by default and allows you to overclock the GPU from within the Catalyst Control Center to a max of 1050MHz core / 13750MHz memory, the limits can be extended by modifying the vbios. Unfortunately the memory of the card I got overclocks extremely poor, even +10MHz resulted in a crash, which is simply bad luck, it can be caused by a single memory module. No issues at all at stock, so nothing to complain, it just shows once more that overclocking is just a bonus, and one can get unlucky with certain cards. In the end that's why I didn't manage to beat my best 7970m runs. I benched the 7970m with the memory at 1.5GHz, which definitely makes a difference in certain applications. The card can certainly be pushed to whole different levels, unfortunately the M15x mobo can't handle the power draw if I really crank up the voltage. I think this card can do 1100MHz in certain systems with no issues, at least provided you don't get a dud, just as my card with it's memory overclocking incapabilities. Here's a run at 1GHz core, memory at stock (). All settings in the CCC are default and untouched: I didn't have a lot of time and since the card is basically a 7970m with a revised firmware and a higher core clock you can expect the performance of a slightly overclocked 7970m. It's definitely a nice card and if I had had an M17x R4 or a similar test bed for it I'm sure it would have been possible to push it much further. And for those interested... What do you need to get this running in the M15x? Check this thread, that's basically all you need... backplate, make sure the heatsink fits... yeah. I got automatic fan control with the MSI card, no need for HWiNFO to control the fans, but this might be different with the Clevo as we know from the past. Just as with the 7970m the M15x won't be able to handle certain combined loads, you can't crank up an XM CPU and the GPU, you will have to find a good balance if you want to optimize the performance. The 7970m is a great choice when it comes to the price / performance ratio, the 8970m is currently too expensive, but it will probably come down in price when it gets available through the usual resellers as it replaces the 7970m which is EOL and no more being produced. You will still be able to grab a 7970m from mxm-upgrade for a reasonable price. In the M15x the 680m definitely works better, as it needs less tweaking due to it's slimmer voltage supply circuits on the MXM board, but it's really expensive, same goes for the rest of the Nvidia cards, while you can get a 670mx for a distinctly lower price than a 680m or 675mx you will have to overclock it like crazy in order to get in the regions of 7970m / 8970m performance. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pau1ow Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Well done for the testing mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboyslimerr Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Did you find the extra memory made much difference in games/benchmarks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share Posted June 26, 2013 Extra memory?All I can say is that I could have scored a lot better with memory overclock, which unfortunately wasn't possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboyslimerr Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 gpu-z indicates it has 4GB DDR5 instead of 2GB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 Ah right, forgot that the 7970m "only" had 2GB. Nope, you won't notice a difference at 1080p, at least in like 99% of the games I dare to say. You would have to really crank up the resolution, and then you'd suddenly notice a huge difference.Keep in mind that the 8970m has great computing capabilities, way superior to any mobile Nvidia card. So if you're gonna use it for professional applications then the 4GB might help a lot as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genetics Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Nicely done geeky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrateMike Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Hi svl7, any idea on flashing the 7970m to the 8970m bios? I'm interested in whether there was better power management in the bios or whether these are just higher binned cards. I've tried a very small overclock on my 7970m @ 1v but I experience throttling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 I can't tell for sure whether it works. A while ago I read a post of someone who claimed to have done it, but no idea whether that was true. Only way to find out is to flash.The 8970m doesn't work with the 7970m vbios, I tried that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrateMike Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Thanks svl7. You don't have a bios for that card do you? Done a bit of Googling but haven't been able to turn anything up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Yes I have, why? Do you have a 8970m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Pedro Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Sorry if I'm jumping in on this thread inappropriately, but I am wondering if you think I'll be able to basically just drop an 8970m into my m17x R3. Would really like to not have to do a blind flash.This is what I've bought:Alienware M17x M18x VGA Upgrade Kit AMD HD8970M 4GB DDR5 MXM 3 0B | eBay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 It is sold as compatible with the AW systems, so it should come with the proper vbios, else you simply have to complain.Please let me know which vbios version you have once you get the card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Pedro Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 It is sold as compatible with the AW systems, so it should come with the proper vbios, else you simply have to complain.Please let me know which vbios version you have once you get the card.Thank you, and I will certainly let you know. It'll be a couple weeks before the card gets here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Pedro Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 It is sold as compatible with the AW systems, so it should come with the proper vbios, else you simply have to complain.Please let me know which vbios version you have once you get the card.Surprise visit from the post man! Looks like my bios is BR44450.007I'll reserve the happy dance until I am up and running.Thanks for your help.[EDIT]No happy dance. Can't display anything to my LCD using the card. I started a thread in the Alienware 17 section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rslatara Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 HiI bought a 2gb 8970m (green) on eBay for my m15x it says compatible with alienware, can i ask what BIOS you used? and what are the temperatures like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rslatara Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yes I have, why? Do you have a 8970m?Hi what BIOS did you use? I bought the MSI based on this thread and i have less performance than a 240m as I am stuck at 300mhz, it is ok after restart but eventually goes to 300mhz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshey791 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 hello svl7 were you able to get the 8970m working agan by soldering a new pre programed Vbios chip to the msi 8970m? did you try it ? or was it compleatly bugged and unfixable after flashing the 7970m? was it the clevo hm7970m enduro off vbios that you flashed the 8970m with?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozdawney Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hi svl7 did anyone find a way to get the 4gb clevo card working in m15x? or have you any ideas worth experimenting with to get one working? There's a bunch of beers in it for you if you can save me the time selling it and buying another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozdawney Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hi I am sure that replacing the chip with a new pre-programmed one would do the trick just fine. I have bricked a bunch of cards with failed flashes... and got every last one back up and running by replacing the vbios chips on them. As far as my experience goes... it's a sure fire thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotmilk70 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I ordered this: AMD HD 8970M 4GB GDDR5 for Alienware 17 18 M17XR4 M18XR2 New Kit | eBay should receive it today. I will install it and see how it goes. I hope I get at least something on the screen. I don't know how I would be able to flash a bios on a black screen :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 I don't know how I would be able to flash a bios on a black screen :/The same way you flash it usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotmilk70 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Sweet. Apparently the card didn't come with the thermal pads like the description said it would. I ordered some thermal pads and will try it tomorrow. It seems like I also need to file the bracket because when screwed in, there is a bit of a gap from the gpu die to the heatsink. Would you recommend me using electrical tape to seal up the transistors on the GPU die from the heatsink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svl7 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share Posted June 26, 2014 You don't need new thermal pads, just use the ones you have. No tape needed either, it just have to fit, else something's wrong anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotmilk70 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Okay, upon checking the installation guide for the 7970M and 8970M they say to add thermal pads to the other components, not just the ram chips. I will add thermal compound to the GPU die though. You are saying I don't need thermal pads on the other components that everyone else seems to suggest? Thank's in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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