The Zeitgeist Movement

[Bruna S]

Thanks Brian! I know a restaurant in the US that serves it. Locations*::*Fogo de Chao or you can try when you come visit us in Brazil

Edited May 7, 2011 by Bruna S

[Bruna S]

Yeah love the fractal elements site, I checked it out when I first joined here... it was in your profile Michael, great jewelry. Also thought it was interesting you called it Fractal Elements.

BTW Picanha looks delicous!

Thank you mw86, the name Fractal always brought us luck

BTW picanha rocks! LOL

[mw86]

Wow Fogo de Chao looks amazing too, I wish I could afford to travel to Brazil!

[Bruna S]

Wow Fogo de Chao looks amazing too, I wish I could afford to travel to Brazil!

Fogo de chao and Porcao are the 2 best restaurants in Brazil that serves picanha. I never tried in the US, but my dad did and said that it's decent! So it is already something!

Maybe we should do some T|I convention in Brazil! LOL

When we reach 1000 users!

[Michael]

Fogo de chao and Porcao are the 2 best restaurants in Brazil that serves picanha. I never tried in the US, but my dad did and said that it's decent! So it is already something!

Maybe we should do some T|I convention in Brazil! LOL

When we reach 1000 users!

I am in! Wife - you cook!

[Bruna S]

i am in! Wife - you cook!

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[vikingrinn]

I don't know how many of you heard of the Zeitgeist Movement.

They have produced three very interesting documentary movies that deal with the corruption of the world goverments, the outdated and corrupted monetary system and lots of other very interesting issues. I can't say i agree with all of their claims, but nevertheless i found their movies extremely interesting to watch.

You can access and download those movies for free here : The Zeitgeist Film Series Gateway | Zeitgeist: The Movie, Zeitgeist: Addendum, Zeitgeist Moving Forward

I strongly advise you guys to watch it and i would really like to open a discussion about it here.

I wanted to share an email i got from them couple of days ago.

Let me know what you think.

"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

TZM: Response to Media; Death of Osama bin Laden

On May 1, 2011 Pres. Barack Obama appeared on national television with the

spontaneous announcement that Osama bin Laden, the purported organizer of

the tragic events of September 11th 2001, was killed by military forces in

Pakistan.

Within moments, a media blitz ran across virtually all television networks

in what could only be described as a grotesque celebratory display,

reflective of a level of emotional immaturity that borders on cultural

psychosis. Depictions of people running through the streets of New York and

Washington chanting jingoistic American slogans, waving their flags like

the members of some cult, praising the death of another human being,

reveals yet another layer of this sickness we call modern society.

It is not the scope of this response to address the political usage of such

an event or to illuminate the staged orchestration of how public perception

was to be controlled by the mainstream media and the United States

Government. Rather the point of this article is to express the gross

irrationality apparent and how our culture becomes so easily fixed and

emotionally charged with respect to surface symbology, rather than true

root problems, solutions or rational considerations of circumstance.

The first and most obvious point is that the death of Osama bin Laden means

nothing when it comes to the problem of international terrorism. His death

simply serves as a catharsis for a culture that has a neurotic fixation on

revenge and retribution. The very fact that the Government which, from a

psychological standpoint, has always served as a paternal figure for it

citizens, reinforces the idea that murdering people is a solution to

anything should be enough for most of us to take pause and consider the

quality of the values coming out of the zeitgeist itself.

However, beyond the emotional distortions and tragic, vindictive pattern of

rewarding the continuation of human division and violence comes a more

practical consideration regarding what the problem really is and the

importance of that problem with respect to priority.

The death of any human being is of an immeasurable consequence in society.

It is never just the death of the individual. It is the death of

relationships, companionship, support and the integrity of familial and

communal environments. The unnecessary deaths of 3000 people on September

11, 2001 is no more or no less important than the deaths of those during

the World Wars, via cancer and disease, accidents or anything else.

As a society, it is safe to say that we seek a world that strategically

limits all such unnecessary consequences through social approaches that

allow for the greatest safety our ingenuity can create. It is in this

context that the neurotic obsession with the events of September 11th, 2001

become gravely insulting and detrimental to progress. An environment has

now been created where outrageous amounts of money, resources and energy is

spent seeking and destroying very small subcultures of human beings that

pose ideological differences and act on those differences through violence.

Yet, in the United States alone each year, roughly 30,000 people die from

automobile accidents, the majority of which could be stopped by very simple

structural changes. That's ten 9/11's each year... yet no one seems to pine

over this epidemic. Likewise, over 1 million Americans die from heart

disease and cancer annually - causes of which are now easily linked to

environmental influences in the majority. Yet, regardless of the over 330

9/11's occurring each year in this context, the governmental budget

allocations for research on these illnesses is only a small fraction of the

money spent on “anti-terrorism” operations.

Such a list could go on and on with regard to the perversion of priority

when it comes to what it means to truly save and protect human life and I

hope many out there can recognize the severe imbalance we have at hand with

respect to our values.

So, coming back to the point of revenge and retribution, I will conclude

this response with a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., likely the most

brilliant intuitive mind when it came to conflict and the power of

non-violence. On September 15, 1963 a Birmingham Alabama church was bombed,

killing four little girls attending Sunday school.

In a public address, Dr. King stated:

“What murdered these four girls? Look around. You will see that many

people that you never thought about participated in this evil act. So

tonight all of us must leave here with a new determination to struggle. God

has a job for us to do. Maybe our mission is to save the soul of America.

We can't save the soul of this nation throwing bricks. We can't save the

soul of this nation getting our ammunitions and going out shooting physical

weapons. We must know that we have something much more powerful. Just take

up the ammunition of love.”

- Dr. Martin Luther King, 1963 -

~Peter Joseph

The Zeitgeist Movement

"praising the death of another human being"

a human being?!?! that is very insightful, as is the remaining [sic] diatribe, to the mindset of the author. also, while the superficial equating throughout the [sic] diatribe boggles the logical mind, it's purposefully right in line (evocative) with the deeper agenda of the author...

it is one thing to express elation at the news of quick end to a vile heinous creature, such as americans did upon learning the fate of bin laden, and quite another to celebrate the death of countless thousands of innocent humans (from every country, ethnicity, and religious background imaginable) as displayed throughout the middle east after 9/11. for that matter, it is also quite different than the recent celebrations in palestine over the gruesome murder of the fogel family in itmar...

unfortunately yes, i’ve witnessed the first so-called 'documentary' zeitgeist (good lies always contain elements of truth), and i do believe goebbels (and the author's unsurprising friend/associate michael moore) would be proud (always exploit natural fears and apprehensions) of new age mystic/communist (and 9/11 'truther', amongst other things...) peter joseph merola. at the onset, my recommendation for anyone bantering about spaceship earth having ‘limited seating’ (aka population control) as does merola, they should be first to 'jump ship'…

merola seems ambitious to become the next relevant cult leader with marketing of his 'new world order'. people have flocked/gotten lost (albeit ironically seeking to 'find themselves'…) to group think like that (for one reason or another) throughout the ages. curiously enough, jared lee loughner found merola to be most inspirational...

as for myself, i’ll stick with locke, hume, rousseau, kant, smith, etc. for enlightenment. i’m amazed how students graduate from universities without even general exposure to the works of these individuals for which the cornerstone of post-feudalistic thought is based. the concentration seems to be on putting the genie (of liberalism) back in the bottle, and regression (ie: socialism and communism, both societies of subjects led by elite oligarchs) paramount. one might wonder what the purpose is in that? (rhetorical) in addition to merola himself, as an ardent objectivist/libertarian, i also personally detest the very premise of merola's collectivism at its core...

"those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" -george santayana

edit: for anyone taking time to consume 'TZM' material, be sure to also checkout:

The Zeitgeist Movement

Edited May 9, 2011 by vikingrinn

[mw86]

Controlling, trickery and persuasion are not qualities of a good following, but society growing as a loving world is important and if we expect others to do as we'd hope they would as an intelligient being, then we can't act as if we are not intelligient beings. Let's not go backwards as a world.

[Stevenxowens792]

I will say this... my family, for generations has been a part of either the Us military or Us reserves. Almost all the wars after the civil war... I think my family has earned the title of being Americans.

With that said, I really do wonder... Is the United States of America, The Empire or The Rebellion?

[Brian]

I will say this... my family, for generations has been a part of either the Us military or Us reserves. Almost all the wars after the civil war... I think my family has earned the title of being Americans.

With that said, I really do wonder... Is the United States of America, The Empire or The Rebellion?

I'd like to think the Rebellion at heart but we've got a few Palpatines that are pulling the strings at the moment.

[ant1fr1z]

Wife, you just got pink!