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And no full voltage socketed CPU's in portable business machines. Only Clevo but their overall build quality is sub par to Elitebooks, and no NBD warranty. Looks like for the next few years there's really no reason for us to upgrade...

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ZBook 15 and 17 got EB and TB, but they are huuuuuge :) like old, good Elitebooks ;) So now with haswell we'll be given more hot CPU's, limited to U versions and apparition like silly probooks... I'm afraid there won't be need to swap laptop for next 2,3 generations of Elitebooks, Probooks.

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And no full voltage socketed CPU's in portable business machines. Only Clevo but their overall build quality is sub par to Elitebooks, and no NBD warranty. Looks like for the next few years there's really no reason for us to upgrade...

Disappointing Haswell round from HP. They've taken several steps back.

HP's 12" "820 G1", the replacement for the 2570P is yet another take on thin-and-light ultrabooks with some business cred thrown in. Like the marketplace doesn't have enough ultrabooks already. So they'll give us a 15W U soldered CPU, no EC port, no ODD but you get a UWVA (IPS-like) panel option. Specs read like what Lenovo's X230 Haswell replacement will be. Same 15W U CPU in HP's 14/15" 8470P/8570P replacements too.

It's only the pricey 15/17" ZBooks that give near-desktop i7-quad performance along with a EC and TB port. The ZBook naming leveraging off the Sony Z-series, reknown for high quality and performance.

So I too will be keeping my trusty 2570P for several future generations. Only performance upgrade I'll consider is a Ivy Bridge i7-quad, twice faster than the Haswell 15W U parts. Maybe consider RAID-0 SSDs too. After such upgrades it could be named a ZBook 12, or EXtremeBook as Aikimox has ingeniousy named his i7-quad upgraded 2570P.

The market has spoken, steered along nicely by NBR countless Lenovo X230 WNSIB recommendations. There's foot-and-mouth disease and then there's head-up-Lenovo's a** disease. The symptoms of the latter has affected individuals only seeing and recommending Lenovo notebooks. Someone should put NBR out of business for their diseased anti-competitive lobbying behavior that's helped kill off 2570P-style notebooks.

LENOVO = NOLOVE

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Yep, check out this review. I ran the same tests on my machine and got a better IGP and more than 2x higher CPU scores. And these are their new 14"ers....

The tested system has 1x4GB RAM installed. It needs a second 4GB module to give dual-channel VRAM access, greatly improving iGPU performance. Still, the CPU sucks compared to your i7-quad. No EC or TB port. Another dud. Let's start counting how many more we'll be getting.

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IVB ZBook 12 = i7-quad upgraded 2570P ??

@All, should we tag the name IVB ZBook 12 to i7-quad upgraded 2570Ps? It will mean Google searches will start having hits on that. HP have leveraged the Sony Z-name for the near-desktop level 14/15/17" Haswell i7-quad notebooks. i7-quad upgraded 2570P are in the same performance category so that tag applies there too.

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Hm, the point is vivid but in my opinion it'd be better to call it like @Aikimox did. HP ExtremeBook 2570p. Let the "Z" to the Haswell's HP shit. But on the other hand, our 2570p is the last 12,5" laptop in the world which handle i7 QM so we could connect it to the Z because of i7 QM... Hmm...

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Haswell 35W parts are coming but looks like HP have soldered CPUs

Hmm.. those new Haswell Elitebooks are currently specced with 15W U parts. I believe that's because the 35W Haswell's are scheduled for release in Q4-2013.

Someone leaked the cpumark of a i5-4200M 2.5Ghz, which would be a low-end 35W i5 Haswell dual-core part. It's performance sits between a i5-3360M 2.8 and a i7-3520M 2.9. Not bad. Substantially better than the i5-4200U 15W parts that are being specced on those systems now.

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The bad news the CPU is probably soldered. The 430 G1 M&S Guide (13" Probook 4340s Haswell update) has a unique systemboard part numbers for each variation of CPU. In addition pg 75 shows the CPU as being attached to the board with no white socket to host it. From this we can be 100% sure the 430 G1 uses a soldered board. The 2570P M&S Guide has one systemboard part number with various CPU part numbers for each variation of the socketted CPU.

The Haswell ZBook 15 part locator shows the CPU is socketted. The disassembly guides there show the ZBooks look like an update of the IVB Elitebook. They have the same chunkier chassis.

So does look like the HP 2570P is the last user i7-quad upgradable 12.5" Elitebook. Deservedly then a "IVB ZBook 12".

Noob-friendly 2570P performance upgrade guides

Consequently, the i7-quad upgradability and RAID-0 storage performance potential of our 2570P's we may well see renewed demand for them. With that may come demand for documents on how to implement such upgrades.

We've had a stack of recent activity exploring 2570P performance potential by pioneers in this forum. The pertinent posts shown below and linked on the first page. If you have authored any of these then consider editting them to be as much of a noob-friendly recipe as possible. Any other submissions are most welcome :)

2570P "The Anarchist" Heat Sink Mod (jacobbson) & Aikimox heatsink mod - improve heat transfer so can host a 45W i7-quad CPU comfortably

Bjorm's holey bottom cover mod - improve cooling

2x1N4004 diode mod to quieten fan (bjorm) &

Khenglish's 2570P BCK OC ME FW - allows increasing BCLK by 5% using XTU, eg: i5-3360M 2.8 -> 2.94Ghz

2570P RAID-0 SSD guide (jacobbson) - get 1GB/s sequential transfer rates and superfast boot times

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Tried a few more tools just to make sure I didn't miss anything: RMClock, Throttlestop, CrystalCPUID, CPUGenie, etc. All in vain, the CPU is completely locked down in BIOS. So is that it? Is 200mhz via BCLK all we can really do? I read about recent attempts to flash HP (RSA signed) BIOS but even those who succeeded had issues afterwards with random lockups.... I wonder if it's possible to completely rewrite the system BIOS (using the stock one as a reference) without invoking the RSA checkup? I wouldn't mind paying for the job. Would even spend some time to learn BIOS programming (have some basic knowledge of C/C++, PDP-11),...if there's a hope.... What saddens me is the fact that we could probably get an extra 600-700mhz@8threads out of our quad cores with a right combination of unlocked multipliers, undervolting and other power settings while having similar temps to what we have now! Not to mention the ability to use third party Wireless and WWAN cards like Bigfoot Killer and Intel's latest 811.ac... *sigh* You can't really have it all, can you? :(

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Disappointing Haswell round from HP. They've taken several steps back.

HP's 12" "820 G1", the replacement for the 2570P is yet another take on thin-and-light ultrabooks with some business cred thrown in. Like the marketplace doesn't have enough ultrabooks already. So they'll give us a 15W U soldered CPU, no EC port, no ODD but you get a UWVA (IPS-like) panel option. Specs read like what Lenovo's X230 Haswell replacement will be. Same 15W U CPU in HP's 14/15" 8470P/8570P replacements too.

It's only the pricey 15/17" ZBooks that give near-desktop i7-quad performance along with a EC and TB port. The ZBook naming leveraging off the Sony Z-series, reknown for high quality and performance.

So I too will be keeping my trusty 2570P for several future generations. Only performance upgrade I'll consider is a Ivy Bridge i7-quad, twice faster than the Haswell 15W U parts. Maybe consider RAID-0 SSDs too. After such upgrades it could be named a ZBook 12, or EXtremeBook as Aikimox has ingeniousy named his i7-quad upgraded 2570P.

The market has spoken, steered along nicely by NBR countless Lenovo X230 WNSIB recommendations. There's foot-and-mouth disease and then there's head-up-Lenovo's a** disease. The symptoms of the latter has affected individuals only seeing and recommending Lenovo notebooks. Someone should put NBR out of business for their diseased anti-competitive lobbying behavior that's helped kill off 2570P-style notebooks.

LENOVO = NOLOVE

The scary thing is that I almost made the mistake of purchasing the X230 because of those exact NBR posts. Thank goodness for Tech Inferno and Nando's comparison thread. My friend has the X230 that he purchased for $1200 USD and I have the 2570p i7 that I purchased for $450 USD and (despite my bias) ignoring price alone, I would pick the 2570p. Although I guess one benefit of having some many people in the market for ultra-portables look towards the x230 means that I can pick up really nice deals like the i7 for just $450.

On a side note, I just purchased the G.SKILL 4GB 204-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) stick from Newegg and it works fine. I haven't run any performance tests yet, but my 2570p seems a lot faster. I most likely could have gotten another stick of 4GB for a lot cheaper, but I didn't want to be stuck with a bad product and bad customer service.

Also, there has been something odd that I have been noticing and is bothering me to no ends. I wiped my drive and installed Windoze Ultimate 64 bit to accommodate the RAM upgrade. I am not very sure when it started (because I use a USB keyboard for most of the time), but whenever I am typing on the built-in keyboard, I get a series of beeps (that sound like a mix between the click sound you get from Windows and a blip, so a hard mechanical sound) followed by a Beep-Boop sound (sounds when you disconnect a device but less harsh and more electronic). I have tried several system restores to see if anything I installed might be the problem, but so far no dice. Through experimentation, I have verified that the problem only occurs when I'm TYPING on the built-in keyboard although there might be a slight lag time. I can use the computer with a mouse or an external keyboard without evoking the wrath of the Random Beeps but when I begin typing on the built-in keyboard the Random Beeps rears its ugly head after a variable amount of keystrokes. Has anyone had a similar type of issue to mine? I don't want to have to go through the hassle of a fresh install and all those drivers installations and restarts.

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Tried a few more tools just to make sure I didn't miss anything: RMClock, Throttlestop, CrystalCPUID, CPUGenie, etc. All in vain, the CPU is completely locked down in BIOS. So is that it? Is 200mhz via BCLK all we can really do? I read about recent attempts to flash HP (RSA signed) BIOS but even those who succeeded had issues afterwards with random lockups.... I wonder if it's possible to completely rewrite the system BIOS (using the stock one as a reference) without invoking the RSA checkup? I wouldn't mind paying for the job. Would even spend some time to learn BIOS programming (have some basic knowledge of C/C++, PDP-11),...if there's a hope.... What saddens me is the fact that we could probably get an extra 600-700mhz@8threads out of our quad cores with a right combination of unlocked multipliers, undervolting and other power settings while having similar temps to what we have now! Not to mention the ability to use third party Wireless and WWAN cards like Bigfoot Killer and Intel's latest 811.ac... *sigh* You can't really have it all, can you? :(

RSA checking would be done on the BIOS component. To mod the bios requires dismantling it with PhoenixTool, then reconstructing it. There are no simple byte fixes to get around simple checksums which means getting around the RSA protection is near on impossible.

The best you can hope for is the bios uses other areas of the flash eeprom to store variable data (eg: 35/45W power limits), something that a comparison of the 2570P bios dump versus a 8570P one would reveal. If the power limits are being set by bios code then would need to risk flashing the 8570P BIOS to get that code, the reward for the risk being 200Mhz over what you currently have.

Did you get the Russian 8570P BIOS dump? I see you are making enquires there.

pci-e wifi may have three potential workarounds (i) engineering samples that the bios allows to work but with an 'engineering sample' boot message (ii) wiring up those 4 disconnected WWAN slot tracks (23,25,31,33), giving an electrical pci-e link hopefully without whitelisting, though it could alternatively be mSATA (iii) get BPlus to make a interposer ribbon cable to give delayed PCI assertion on bootup so non-whitelisted wifi will pass BIOS boot, then use Setup 1.x to enable that slot.

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HP EliteBook 850 G1 (8570P Haswell replacement) notebook spotted in Hungry. Has Core i5-4300M, 4Gb of DDR3 RAM, matte 15,6" FullHD screen, no ODD, no expresscard slot. :Sigh:

It takes after Spectre/Pavilion more than Elitebooks :) what a disgrace...

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I tested modded and lifted 2570p in FarCry3. Everything on High settings, FullHD. During 50 minutes of play, CPU didn't even reach 70C, most of time there was under 65C on cores, with average 70% of CPU usage. Very goood results.

I assume, with i7-3632QM max temps will be around or even under 80C.

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I tested modded and lifted 2570p in FarCry3. Everything on High settings, FullHD. During 50 minutes of play, CPU didn't even reach 70C, most of time there was under 65C on cores, with average 70% of CPU usage. Very goood results.

I assume, with i7-3632QM max temps will be around or even under 80C.

You might see similar results with your 3236QM since you probably will apply some HQ thermal paste. Is this without any extra copper to the heatsink?

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You might see similar results with your 3236QM since you probably will apply some HQ thermal paste. Is this without any extra copper to the heatsink?

I usually use Zalman STG2, but for i7-3632QM I will have to use MX-4 which is still good paste. I run my 2570p with modded heatsink since I created it (after this I didn't add anything):

http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2537-12-5-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge-10.html#post64705

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I usually use Zalman STG2, but for i7-3632QM I will have to use MX-4 which is still good paste. I run my 2570p with modded heatsink since I created it (after this I didn't add anything):

http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2537-12-5-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge-10.html#post64705

Damn dude, I missed your mod, really nice!

How thick copper did you use for this?

I really think you gonna do good with the 3632QM.

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Damn dude, I missed your mod, really nice! How thick copper did you use for this? I really think you gonna do good with the 3632QM.

Heh, thanks :) This plates has something about 1,5-2mm in vertical height. Next weekend I plan to add some extra flattened heatpipes, to the bottom side of original heatpipe. On my first attempt I put only this two plates and short additional, flattened heatpipe to the top of original heatpipe. After this I realized there is a space between 2570p heatpipe and mainboard. There is also a small amount of space near end of heatpipe, behind the radiator, Im just wondering if there is a point to add copper in this place, cause I reckon the most important places are the nearest to the CPU.

I believe 3632 will have idle temps under 50C (acceptable for me, but i prefer nearer a 45C ;) ) and max temps under stress (prime95) not higher than 85C (very good) and something around 80C during eGPU playing games (very good) but whether I am able to play FarCry3 on FHD and High settings on i5, is there any point to wasting 3632 potencial If i play games few times per week and Im not ultimate graphics settings entusiast?

I need to consider ;)

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Heh, thanks :) This plates has something about 1,5-2mm in vertical height. Next weekend I plan to add some extra flattened heatpipes, to the bottom side of original heatpipe. On my first attempt I put only this two plates and short additional, flattened heatpipe to the top of original heatpipe. After this I realized there is a space between 2570p heatpipe and mainboard. There is also a small amount of space near end of heatpipe, behind the radiator, Im just wondering if there is a point to add copper in this place, cause I reckon the most important places are the nearest to the CPU.

I believe 3632 will have idle temps under 50C (acceptable for me, but i prefer nearer a 45C ;) ) and max temps under stress (prime95) not higher than 85C (very good) and something around 80C during eGPU playing games (very good) but whether I am able to play FarCry3 on FHD and High settings on i5, is there any point to wasting 3632 potencial If i play games few times per week and Im not ultimate graphics settings entusiast?

I need to consider ;)

Well, if you really want a cool running machine at 3632QM level of performance, - go for a 45W quad and reduce the clocks. When I don't need the full power I simply set the max CPU to 99% in advanced power settings. That way it performs equal to a 3632QM running at full load but the temps never reach 70c. In fact my idle temps are around 35-40c and I almost never hear the fan, like... never, unless running benchmarks or games.

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Also, there has been something odd that I have been noticing and is bothering me to no ends. I wiped my drive and installed Windoze Ultimate 64 bit to accommodate the RAM upgrade. I am not very sure when it started (because I use a USB keyboard for most of the time), but whenever I am typing on the built-in keyboard, I get a series of beeps (that sound like a mix between the click sound you get from Windows and a blip, so a hard mechanical sound) followed by a Beep-Boop sound (sounds when you disconnect a device but less harsh and more electronic). I have tried several system restores to see if anything I installed might be the problem, but so far no dice. Through experimentation, I have verified that the problem only occurs when I'm TYPING on the built-in keyboard although there might be a slight lag time. I can use the computer with a mouse or an external keyboard without evoking the wrath of the Random Beeps but when I begin typing on the built-in keyboard the Random Beeps rears its ugly head after a variable amount of keystrokes. Has anyone had a similar type of issue to mine? I don't want to have to go through the hassle of a fresh install and all those drivers installations and restarts.

Has anyone else had this problem or any clues as to what might be causing it? It is driving me bananas :Banane47:.

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<span style="font-size:large">INFO: BIOS dumps at hpfocus.com</span>

hpfocus have an extensive library of full BIOS dumps here . Very useful if want to say compare the 8570P BIOS to a 2570P one to see where the code is that's setting 35W/45W power limits. Only problem is you need to register and need to accumulate 10 points in order to be able to download them.

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Well, if you really want a cool running machine at 3632QM level of performance, - go for a 45W quad and reduce the clocks. When I don't need the full power I simply set the max CPU to 99% in advanced power settings. That way it performs equal to a 3632QM running at full load but the temps never reach 70c. In fact my idle temps are around 35-40c and I almost never hear the fan, like... never, unless running benchmarks or games.

You're right. But if I clockdown 3632 it should be more cool than 45W CPU, shouldn't it?

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<span style="font-size:large"><font color="darkred"><b>INFO: obtaining an expresscard blank</b></font></span> via plastics kit p/n 651376-001

If you've missplaced yours then the replacement can be obtained by ordering the <b>plastics kit</b>, pn <b>651376-001</b>. Included is the expresscard blank, optical drive weight saver and a modem port insert. It's not possible to get the blank on it's own with HP even shipping this kit out if (for whatever reason) your 2570P didn't come with one. The part details have been obtained from the <a href="http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c03559419/c03559419.pdf">2570P Maintenance and Service Guide</a> and are shown below:

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/44qNJcr.png">

<b>Warning: insert the expresscard blank the right way!!</b>

Also recommend being careful about how you insert the expresscard blank. I've been advised that if you insert it upside down and push it fully in then the only way to get it out is to disassemble the notebook or drill a hole into the blank, hook into it and fish it out. There are no markings on the expresscard blank to indicate which is the right side up and it does slide in when upside down. The only difference being it's a tighter fit when upside down. So if you not sensitive to the pressure being applied it would be easy to jam the blank in and not be able to eject it.

<b>Purchasing the expresscard blank</b>: <a href="http://partsurfer.hp.com/search.aspx" target="_blank">Partsurfer.hp.com</a> has the plastics kit (651376-001) listed for <b>US$16.76-delivered</b>.

<a name="caddyfaq"></a><span style="font-size:large"><font color="darkred"><b>INFO: FAQ about the optical drive weight saver</b></font></span>

<a href="http://i.imgur.com/1LWPb9V.jpg"><img width=200 src="http://i.imgur.com/1LWPb9V.jpg"></a> <a href="http://i.imgur.com/mMtj6aY.jpg"><img width=200 src="http://i.imgur.com/mMtj6aY.jpg"></a> <a href="http://i.imgur.com/7bhyxNj.jpg"><img width=200 src="http://i.imgur.com/7bhyxNj.jpg"></a> <a href="http://i.imgur.com/IISNDyR.jpg"><img width=200 src="http://i.imgur.com/IISNDyR.jpg"></a>

<i>Above: pictures of the 2560P optical drive weight saver. 2570P one will either be the same or a functionally identical equivalent.</i>

<i>1. Can the weightsaver's faceplate be removed and installed on a replacement 9.5mm sata optical drive purchased from ebay so don't need to order a matched, pricier one from HP? </i>

No, the weight saver is a single molded piece of plastic with no removable parts.

<i>2. Can the faceplate be cut off and glued on an optical bay caddy or optical drive?</i>

Yes. The faceplate part of the weightsaver is a sold mass of plastic and could be cut off with the right cutting equipment. If the optical drive or optical bay caddy has a nice and flat mating surface then that part could be glued on for a perfect appearance. This is exactly what SimoxTav did with his 2560P caddy implementation here.

Before attempting such a modification AND if you already have an optical drive then consider removing it's existing faceplate and mounting it onto either one of the following 9.5mm sata optical bay caddies with a removable faceplate:

US$39 <a href="http://www.newmodeus.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5&products_id=455">newmodeus' 2570P/2560P caddy with mountable faceplate</a>

US$20 <a href="web.archive.org/web//http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/469244-z11-replace-dvd-hdd-working-solution-18.html#post6869886" target="_blank">Fenvi caddy with mountable faceplate</a>. Good detailed photos are available in <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/598980-replacing-optical-drive-hard-drive-guide-sa-sb-sc-sd.html#post7758033">this</a> thread.

Unfortunately the only other known source of a 2570p optical drive faceplate is to purchase a PN US$51-shipped 2570P DVD (685502-001) from HP. Not an economical way of obtaining a faceplate.

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