PASCAL-MXM & P-SERIES REFRESH

[Sekence]

Guys, should I make a donation to Prema for having access to his P651RS-G Bios ? Or it's free ...or will become free soon ? 

(This question is linked to the fact  I have seen few resellers with Prema mod preinstalled...so I suppose it does exist and work already).

 

thanks 

[Papusan]

17 minutes ago, Sekence said:

Guys, should I make a donation to Prema for having access to his P651RS-G Bios ? Or it's free ...or will become free soon ? 

(This question is linked to the fact  I have seen few resellers with Prema mod preinstalled...so I suppose it does exist and work already).

 

thanks 

I would donated some money anyway. Although it is free, or firmware is not available now. <Will become free soon> is not the same as using other man's work, without giving something back in return

[ajc9988]

Guys, should I make a donation to Prema for having access to his P651RS-G Bios ? Or it's free ...or will become free soon ? 

(This question is linked to the fact  I have seen few resellers with Prema mod preinstalled...so I suppose it does exist and work already).

 

thanks 

If you didn't/couldn't buy from a partner shop, I guarantee nothing as I'm not the person with any say in the matter. But there are two ways to donate. 1) through PayPal (the link is on PremaMod.com). 2) there is a thread on nbr contributing to Prema's new laptop, a worthy project to give him one of the highest end laptops on the planet... If you appreciate his work, those options for donating are there. Check out his site for partner shops. Those are the ones that carry his bios... Otherwise, while donating, send a message to ask. This doesn't mean you will get what you want, nor that the gift is a transaction or conditional (conditioned upon receipt of the modified bios, which makes it like a transaction (I won't bore you with the legal and philosophical arguments of whether or not conditional gifts exist or whether they are transactions based on the occurrence of specific conditions))...

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[Guest]

6 hours ago, J95 said:

 

Let the Comedy Begin!

 

So yeah, that's the MSI 1080 SLI without external power connection.  

Will add clean shots shortly...

Again a changed DIE position compared to its solo counterpart. Also keep in mind that (just like their 980s before) MSI SLI versions are lower powered than their solo model counterparts.

Now that little bit extra there is just their style of humor...what a royal waste of space on an otherwise perfectly good board.

[wersuss]

Donated, if he will make p775 bios and gpu vbios, of course we have to donate more.

[Ashtrix]

OK, a full noobie question here, didn't this video of Mr. Fox and having talks with Unclewebb back then, the current limit throttle that's on Skylake was just a left over kinda thing and the video also states that Prema's BIOS update fixed that ? Couldn't find the posts, as it was long back.

 

Edited September 1, 2016 by Ashtrix

[johnksss]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I know a lot of people are really sold on G-sync. I really don't understand why. To me it is an absolutely worthless gimmick that I have never realized any benefit from. It seemed worthless to me on the Sky X9 and it was included on the machine I just sold at no extra charge. I would never wait for it to become available as part of my purchasing decision,and I certainly would not entertain the idea of paying extra to have it because it did nothing whatsoever at any point to enhance my experience. NVIDIA is the master of gimmicks.

 

The more I think about this, and how much pure joy I get from overclocked number-chasing, the more I am inclined to believe option A or B makes far too much sense for me to seriously entertain option C. Plus, option C is the least affordable of the three. Since playing games is a distance second place behind the pleasure I derive from benching, those numbers are very hard to ignore. And, while we are closer than ever to closing the gap between desktop and laptop, that really only applies to the P870DM3. Even so, the gap is still massive and it is VERY, VERY far from being true for any machine less than a P870DM3... which is basically everything. The P870DM3 totally eclipses everything else available anywhere in a notebook.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11426953/3dm11/11495374/3dm11/11528240

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9846237/fs/9873275/fs/9954310#

 

The gap is massive because of ln2, you will never ever ever catch a desktop that can run ln2.

And as long as the voltage is capped 1.5V, you wont fully catch desktop cpus either...Even if you had ln2

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, johnksss said:

The gap is massive because of ln2, you will never ever ever catch a desktop that can run ln2.

And as long as the voltage is capped 1.5V, you wont fully catch desktop cpus either...Even if you had ln2

Those examples are using LN2 on the video cards? It looks like there is a pretty massive gap in the graphics scores alone between 1080 mobile and 1080 desktop, while there is hardly any difference in GPU core and memory clocks. I suspect the far more powerful CPUs are contributing to some extent.

 

And, for the CPUs clocked at only 4.4GHz and 4.6GHz they are using LN2 in those examples in my links? Why would they need to use LN2 at such a low core clock?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Those examples are using LN2 on the video cards? It looks like there is a pretty massive gap in the graphics scores alone between 1080 mobile and 1080 desktop, while there is hardly any difference in GPU core and memory clocks...

 

DM3 will also be able to do that 54k 3DM11 GPU score , no worries.

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Those examples are using LN2 on the video cards? It looks like there is a pretty massive gap in the graphics scores alone between 1080 mobile and 1080 desktop, while there is hardly any difference in GPU core and memory clocks. I suspect the far more powerful CPUs are contributing to some extent.

 

And, for the CPUs clocked at only 4.4GHz and 4.6GHz they are using LN2 in those examples in my links? Why would they need to use LN2 at such a low core clock?

They are not on ln2 my friend.

I have been benching against menthol for a while now and he is not n ln2 guy

http://hwbot.org/user/menthol/

And neither is the other score. using a 6900k

And Menthols 3dmark11 run is higher because of Windows 7. While the other guys is because of flashing a better factory vbios.

Which brings me to....Where did you get LN2 from? Technically I didn't even have to look up Menthol because I already knew, but wanted to post for verification purposes.

My 3dmark11 with desktop 1080's

http://hwbot.org/submission/3289339_johnksss_3dmark11___performance_2x_geforce_gtx_1080_38710_marks

So once this thing with our cards is figured out, I'm pretty sure there will be a bunch more gpu scores falling by the wayside.

2 hours ago, Prema said:

 

DM3 will also be able to do that 54k 3DM11 GPU score , no worries.

The 1080N SLI has already caught the 1080 SLI(2) And that is without being flashed to a higher profiled card.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9846237/fs/9100118/fs/9954310

 

So with the added goodness, things will look that much better indeed.

Edited September 1, 2016 by johnksss

[Guest]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

They are not on ln2 my friend.

Where did you get LN2 from? Technically I didn't even have to look up Menthol because I already knew, but wanted to post for verification purposes.

Well, you had me confused because you replied to my post and said, "The gap is massive because of ln2, you will never ever ever catch a desktop that can run ln2."

 

So, that's why I asked you about it. I thought you were saying those scores that I linked were higher because they were cooling with LN2, which did not make any sense since they were not overclocked that much and should not need LN2 cooling to run at those clock speeds.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, you had me confused because you replied to my post and said, "The gap is massive because of ln2, you will never ever ever catch a desktop that can run ln2."

 

So, that's why I asked you about it. I thought you were saying those scores that I linked were higher because they were cooling with LN2, which did not make any sense since they were not overclocked that much and should not need LN2 cooling to run at those clock speeds.

 

I think what John meant to say is that you have a real chance in the Notebook world to lead the way while the Desktop world is dominated by 'insanity'.

[johnksss]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, you had me confused because you replied to my post and said, "The gap is massive because of ln2, you will never ever ever catch a desktop that can run ln2."

 

So, that's why I asked you about it. I thought you were saying those scores that I linked were higher because they were cooling with LN2, which did not make any sense since they were not overclocked that much and should not need LN2 cooling to run at those clock speeds.

Ah, it's because you haven't started benching desktop stuff.

That was a reference to the whole total picture.  Right now you have to put in way to much work on the 10 series cards to gain anything. That's why it's easier to get a bunch of on water and air results.But with these on air results you will find cpus under ln2/dice/ss/casscade/chilled water, which will push scores higher.
"The gap is massive because of ln2, you will never ever ever catch a desktop that can run ln2."

http://hwbot.org/submission/3266743_smoke_3dmark11___performance_2x_geforce_gtx_1080_46488_marks

His cards are on air and i have him beat, but because of the ln2+6950 he has me beat over all. And at the end of the day, it's over all scores that win.

Technically speaking we could run ln2, but that would be very very risky

So using 2 1080's and a 6700k. A system benching both of these on ln2 you will never ever catch is how that comes about, but anyone basically on air is catchable. We seen this with @Papusan 6700k score. And my own scores in firestrike.

 

Sorry for the confusion. 

 

4 minutes ago, Prema said:

 

I think what John meant to say is that you have a real chance in the Notebook world to lead the way while the Desktop world is dominated by 'insanity'.

Yes, this is a perfect answer!

 

And that's why I do both.

Edited September 1, 2016 by johnksss

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Prema said:

 

DM3 will also be able to do that 54k 3DM11 GPU score , no worries.

Sounds good. 

[D2ultima]

So, what have I missed? Did Prema magic up a holy grail of notebooks with his Phoenix powers yet? Has Mr. Fox led a charge on Clevo and MSI by surfacing from the water on psychic humpback whales with an army of pufferfish-poison-tipped spear-wielding flying fish? Has anybody managed to CLU everything in a P870DM3 and achieve sub-70 degree temperatures with a 4.7GHz CPU and 2GHz GPUs? DID WE ALL SHARE A PIZZA?

 

I've only skimmed the recent developments in... well... everything. Except for that video where the Razer Blade 2016 with a 1060 in an A/C showroom with superloud fans sat at 93c constant at 1080p playing Overwatch locked to 70fps. I had a good, long, hearty laugh at that.

[Guest]

Nope @D2ultima. Just another day in paradise. We're all waiting to see what happens next. Until @Prema gets his DM3 monsterbook and starts exorcising the Clevo and NVIDIA firmware demons, there's not too much to get overly excited about. Nobody knows how great the DM3 is going to be until the chains are cut and it's able to run wild and free.

 

No doubt that it's going to be a total blood bath for the owners of lesser products; and, that much I think we can count on since the DM3 already utterly destroys everything else we have seen with Pascal notebooks.

 

Kind of like what Hulk does to Loki here...

 

 

 

 

[D2ultima]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nope @D2ultima. Just another day in paradise.

 

We're all waiting to see what happens next. Until @Prema gets his DM3 monsterbook and starts exorcising the Clevo and NVIDIA firmware demons, there's not too much to get overly excited about. 

Your usage of the word "paradise" confuses me.

 

I also imagine Prema exorcises in full-on anime style complete with unreasonable power ups and general all-around badassery. He's like Hackerman xD

 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Your usage of the word "paradise" confuses me.

 

I also imagine Prema exorcises in full-on anime style complete with unreasonable power ups and general all-around badassery. He's like Hackerman xD

 

That is a very common sarcastic expression used by Americans, generally when things could be better than they are.

 

So, considering that everything for sale in a notebook except for a few Clevo systems are BGA shitbooks and basically every pre-Pascal notebook owner on the face of the planet just got royally screwed by MSI and Clevo, especially those with brand new super-expensive dream machines that cannot have their MXM GPUs upgraded... it is "just another day in paradise" LOL

 

Hope that helps. 

[D2ultima]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is a very common sarcastic expression used by Americans, generally when things could be better than they are.

 

So, considering that everything for sale in a notebook except for a few Clevo systems are BGA shitbooks and basically every pre-Pascal notebook owner on the face of the planet just got royally screwed by MSI and Clevo with brand new super-expensive dream machines that cannot have their MXM GPUs upgraded... it is "just another day in paradise" LOL

 

Hope that helps. 

Ah yes. THAT way. I wasn't too sure, but better to ask xD

[Guest]

So...DID WE ALL SHARE A PIZZA?...

Yeah we had a bunch of those and got a little fatter, older and wiser...

[johnksss]

hummm, didn't take the video files...

Edited September 3, 2016 by johnksss

[johnksss]

 

 

Edited September 3, 2016 by johnksss

[Guest]

John setting the record straight, I like that!

@ MSI , Asus and Acer (huh?NICE!) 1080 SLI, that's Clevo with stock firmware for you!

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/index.php?/profile/62-mr-fox/" rel="">@Mr. Fox we need you in the DM3 family!!!

Let the games begin while we prepare the Mods... [emoji85] [emoji86] [emoji87]

 

[Brian]

Something that future owners of these SLI notebooks should keep in mind is that it is a complete fail so far in dx 12 with virtually no titles supporting it or crossfire since that duty now falls to developers. You will still do fine in most dx 11 titles but with dx 12 taking over, don't get your hopes up about mgpu and SLI support. If you're a benchmark chaser, well carry on

 

As a regular gamer, I ended up with a single desktop Titan X Pascal for that very reason. It's the first time I skipped SLI in years as its future for now seems questionable outside synthetic benchmark software.

 

Something worth reading: http://www.babeltechreviews.com/sad-state-crossfire-sli-today/3/

 

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The (sad) State of CrossFire and SLI Today

JUN 05, 2016by MARK POPPINin BTR NEWS

Conclusion

Conclusion:

We are not sure that we can recommend either SLI or CrossFire based on our testing with 25 modern games.  And it will be very hard to recommend the next dual GPU Polaris video card for $500 to take on a single GTX 1080 or GTX 1070 based on what we see today.  If you play mostly older games, CrossFire and SLI both scale decently, however, many older games do not need the extra performance that multi-GPU scaling provides.

We noted that 8 out of 25 games from Nvidia, and 9 out of 25 games from AMD – about one-third of the games in our benchmark suite, and making up mostly the latest games – either scaled poorly or negatively compared with using a single GPU.

 

[johnksss]

And this would make for a good argument on why they wanted to put desktop type gpus in notebooks instead of mobile. They could cut out sli/crossfire and just set the power to match that of the desktop counterpart. Although I don't see them matching the pricing any time soon though.