Brian

26 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, it would not be redundant if you were away from your desk at home, or traveling away from home and not wanting to lug an eGPU through airports and such. The Intel HD Graphics is a waste and having it disabled helps keep the CPU cool when it is severely overclocked. Having the discrete GPU gives you a 24/7 badass beast at home or on the road. That's the whole point in caring, at least for me personally. Otherwise, I would just by a $150 Dell Inspiron or Chromebook piece of crap from Walmart, build a desktop  and call it a day. I would have no use for the eGPU in that scenario. A monster desktop would make the eGPU redundant. The downside to either one is the same (being tethered to a desk) and the discrete GPU eliminates any need for compromise. The main attraction of the eGPU, for me personally, is that it allows me to have the last laugh when I get screwed by an idiotic OEM that thinks it is OK to change proprietary MXM form factors for a GPU refresh on models that are still current.

 

I am sure you could have already guessed that I will not be wasting my money on trash from Razer and others that peddle thin and light BGA shitbooks for gamers. I won't have any part of that kind of garbagefest. From my perspective, compromises of any kind always suck and I will exhaust all other options before embracing the notion of paying more than $500 for BGA filthbooks of any kind.

 

Yes, we have the world-class resource on the subject right here. We are very blessed to have @Tech Inferno Fan genius on our team. I may need to tap into his vast knowledge and expertise for an eGPU setup if I cannot get what I want for my P870DM-G.

Fortunately for now the market for the 1% enthusiast like you that want what you listed still exists. But for how much longer is the real question? If Clevo begins to retreat from upgradeable notebooks then it should be a signal to everyone that the ship has sailed for those type of notebooks because we certainly can't count on the likes of Dell and others to deliver. Speaking of lugging around these powerbooks, I think it would be interesting to put up a poll that asks AW 18/Clevo/MSI Titan owners (if any exist) how often they take their notebooks away from their desks. 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I mostly agree... I definitely don't want the thin and light crap or integrated GPU part because that reminds me too much of an anemic turdbook, but having an eGPU on a TB3 port will be awesome. That way you can start with a healthy monster GPU like the 200W GTX 980 and not be stuck there due to circumstances beyond your control... never at the mercy of an OEM again, or a victim of their failure to deliver. There's nothing to not like about that. I love the bulk and weight, including the dual 330W setup. It's just part of the shock and awe factor that can be used to taunt the turdbook jockeys and their pathetic shitbooks. I'd prefer than the Intel Graphics crap stay disabled. Ideally, a CPU that does not even have that would be utilized. It's a waste of silicon on a high performance beast.

Well for example if the chipset utilizes skylake with 6700K you will get the integrated intel gfx. IMO adding in a discrete GPU would be redundant since the eGPU would be doing that job so it would just add to heat, bulk, weight and unnecessary cost. I do see Razer and others making a push for eGPU and I think it will go mainstream in the near future. Good thing Tech|Inferno is probably the best place on the internet to find information related to eGPU setups. @Tech Inferno Fan

Honestly, this is why I think in the long term e-GPU is a good thing for notebooks. You can buy a notebook w/a kick ass CPU in it equipped with an integrated GPU and then just dock it to an external GPU that is better than any MXM class card you could install in your system. The advantages are:

1. eGPU is cheaper and upgradeable 

2. eGPU is a full desktop card and will run cooler than an MXM solution

3. Your notebook will likely be thinner and much lighter

4. You aren't tied to a single brand of notebook

5. Your notebook won't sound like a jet engine

6. Notebook won't be hot as a furnace and roast your balls

Yeah the e-GPU is an external solution but come on let's be real here for a minute, many of you with these beastly rigs have 2 x 330W PSUs hooked up to them which are enormous. Those would also be eliminated as you'd have a small compact PSU for the notebook and one for the e-GPU. If you travel you may have to lug an extra piece of equipment around but that's not really a big deal considering these "notebooks" aren't exactly travel friendly in the first place. Personally, as a enthusiast, I want a thin profile notebook w/a desktop CPU in it and 120 Hz IPS display that has TB3 which is compatible with any eGPU I connect to it, I think that is the real future of laptop gaming.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think the only logical answer is we got Alienware'd by Clevo. They saw their chance to screw us and took advantage of it. As far as NVIDIA goes and no longer supporting MXM, those crooked bastards have been screwing us for years and the only reason I think they can get away with it is we put up with it because the only available alternative (AMD) is unacceptable.

Yes unfortunately Always Manages to Disappoint (AMD) is absent in the notebook performance space and will continue to be seeing how Polaris 11 is low tier trash. Even Zen will be for servers and desktops first before they make an APU design. So I don't have any faith in AMD at all and neither should any other reasonable person. I've been accused of being nvidia biased but the truth is I knew a long time ago AMD simply could not compete. 

I really don't know enough about the board power requirements to know why they aren't exactly following the old standard though I'm sure khenglish or prema might. Regardless it does suck for existing power users and my suggestion to them would be to eBay their current ones and grab a new one.

I honestly can't figure out why nvidia abandoned mxm reference designs. They're the ones that invented it and put so much time into it only to screw everyone at the end of it. I guess they figured it was cheaper to shift the cost of maintaining a reference design to large AIB like MSI and Clevo rather than themselves. Unfortunately the notebook makers aren't known for agreeing on standards like desktop makers are and now a lot of people are screwed.

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47 minutes ago, Dr. AMK said:

Beautiful interior the Duel GTX 1080 inside the Eurocom X9E2, is the new cooling system is the same for other brands?

I wonder if that shared hsf will hamper cpu overclocking and possibly gpu boost consistency once it is heat soaked? I was never a fan of shared hsf designs. I had hoped they would try something new like a vapor chamber to cool these monsters.

Looks like our friends at EVOC have their product page ready to go: http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-p650rp6-15-6-custom-built-gaming-laptop-w-nvidia-gtx-1060-w-g-sync.html

@Ted-EVOC @paladin44 the price for the 1060 one seems reasonable enough. This is almost tempting me to get a nice and thin 1060 based notebook to replace my aging Sony. 

Here's some mobile Pascal benchmarks from Gamer's Nexus:

And frametimes:

Not Clevo specific but still relevant as it's about Pascal for notebooks:

A couple years ago NVIDIA did state that they would begin developing their architectures as mobile first and scale them up to the desktop level and I guess that started with Maxwell and really went full fledged with Pascal. You can bet the same will be true of Volta with desktop and notebook having roughly equivalent performance which is great for gaming notebooks. I doubt notebooks will get anything like a Titan X equivalent as that thing is just beastly but you never know. 

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So déjà vu, right? LOL... another year of AMD asleep at the wheel and coming to the table with a losing product only suitable for value shoppers. That's truly a shame. The shysters at NVIDIA do not deserve to win by forfeit year-over-year.

Have you seen the price of the new Titan X? Starting at a low price of only $1200..  I don't know why anyone even mentions AMD in the same sentence as NVIDIA anymore because they really aren't competitors, not at the high end of the video card spectrum anyway. Sure the RX 480 can compete with the 1060 but who really gives a shit about that? Vega will show up one of these days and probably still fall short of the 1080 let alone the Titan X and up coming 1080 Ti. AMD is doing the same thing with respect to notebooks, offering low end shit tier solutions for budget notebooks that nobody really cares about. Oh yeah, rumors have it NVIDIA has moved up Volta to May 2017, if that's true, AMD is truly fucked. 

Well there isn't even a 490 yet as AMD is waiting on Vega so their top card is Fury X which gets annihilated by Pascal. Now nvidia is rolling out Titan X 2016 which just adds insult to injury. Basically AMD is no longer in the game, they've been left in the dust by nvidia.

10 hours ago, Michael said:

Enjoying Preacher quite a lot these days

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Gonna check this show out, looks interesting.

37 minutes ago, Khenglish said:

IT WORKS!

 

2048 SHADERS!

 

980 DESKTOP DEVICE ID!

 

MODDING VBIOS NOW TO MAKE IT RENDER

12 minutes ago, Khenglish said:

So it actually works with the 980m vBIOS. I tried modding too soon. I just needed to reinstall the driver.

 

I only ran a very lightweight render test because right now the card is only running on 2 phases. I'm pulling the phase driver from my 980m now to get the 3rd phase back up.

Congrats man, I knew you could pull it off. Super curious to see if it OC's better than the 980m after you get those power phases added in. 

Fingers crossed...

1 minute ago, drunkenninaj said:

Been registered here a while it seems but never had the chance to check the place out fully until today...

 

This place is pretty cool, I was deep into the Reflow and Reball scene of all BGA chips until around 6 months ago when I got bored of it, I know quite a bit o the subject and have helped may people start-up and repair boards over the years on other forums.

 

The software side has always intrigued me as a failed student of programming, if you guys have any questions about reballs or reflows hit me up.

Hey @drunkenninajwelcome to the community and I think @Khenglish @Mr. Fox and @johnksss would definitely be happy to have another hardware enthusiast on board that can help w/projects they come up with. Khenglish as you noticed is embarking on core swaps so if you have any tips that could assist him, definitely get in touch here on the forums. 

Damn @Khenglish that's really impressive, good job! Going to promote this to a front page post. I'll update the front page post with your results once you have them but looking good so far. 

On 7/8/2016 at 5:08 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't seen a compelling reason to purchase anything from AMD yet, and considering their track record I would want to see more that theoretical marketing hype and specs. I'd need to see a mountain of evidence produced by overclocking enthusiast end-users that I know are reliable before I would spend any money on an AMD product.

 

But, 1060 would not be an option either. I've never cared too much about cost to performance ratio, just want the best and baddest even if the ratio is poor. I generally stick with the 'go big or go home' and 'all or nothing' approach. I've never been interested in owning a second fiddle budget gamer GPU, but that's just my personal preference.

The 1060 will be one of those GPUs featured in BGA notebooks that some may find compelling because they are thin and light. Probably good for college students and business people on the move but not really built for hardcore enthusiasts.

3 hours ago, TBoneSan said:

 

Brian do you know if that's meant to be the flagship for desktop mobile?

I don't think the 1060 is the flagship model. Pretty sure they will still have 1080.

For those of you wondering whether the 1060 will come to the notebook, the word is it will and it will be unchanged from the desktop version. The clocks may be somewhat lower but the ROPs, CUDA cores etc should be unchanged. 

@Vitaliy Jungle welcome to Tech|Inferno!

And some leaked FireStrike numbers for the 1060 vs 480:

NVIDIA 1060:

Sapphire RX 480 Stock:

RX 480 undervolted to 1.1v with 1300 MHz core and 2200 MHz memory:

AIB 1060 cards:

NVIDIA announced it's newest Pascal based GTX 1060 today that is expected to go on sale July 19th for $250 and $300 for the Founder's Edition. The GTX 1060 will feature 1280 CUDA cores, 6 GB DDR5 memory with a boost clock of 1.7 GHz which NVIDIA claims can easily overclock to 2 GHz. In addition, NVIDIA claims the 1060 is on average 15% faster and over 75% more power efficient than the closest competitive product at stock speeds which would be the AMD RX 480. 

The following is their PR release: 

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NVIDIA today added the NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 to its Pascal™ family of gaming GPUs, complementing the GTX 1080 and 1070, which have set records for speed and power efficiency following their launch two months ago.

 

Like the entire Pascal architecture GPU lineup, and with a starting price of only $249, the GTX 1060 has been crafted for speed and optimized for performance per watt. Manufactured on the leading-edge FinFET 16nm process, the GTX 1060 delivers GTX 980-level performance and twice the energy efficiency in VR. It consumes only 120 watts of power while driving the latest VR and DirectX 11/12 PC games at blistering speeds.

 

The GTX 1060 features 1,280 CUDA cores, 6GB of GDDR5 memory running at 8Gbps and a boost clock of 1.7GHz, which can be easily overclocked to 2GHz for further performance. Across the top gaming titles, GTX 1060 is on average 15 percent faster and over 75 percent more power efficient than the closest competitive product at stock speeds.(1)

 

GTX 1060 for Every Gamer, Everywhere -- Starting at $249

GTX 1060 custom boards will be available starting July 19 from NVIDIA GeForce Partners, including ASUS, Colorful, EVGA, Gainward, Galaxy, Gigabyte, Innovision 3D, MSI, Palit, PNY and Zotac. The NVIDIA GeForce Partners represent a global network that will deliver GTX 1060 to gamers in 238 countries and territories. The MSRP will start at $249.

 

SMP Technology Integrated into Top Game Engines; More Than 30 Titles in Development

The GTX 1060 supports NVIDIA VRWorks™, a software developer kit that allows developers to intertwine what users see, hear and touch with the physical behavior of the environment -- convincing them that their virtual experience is real.

 

Included with VRWorks is NVIDIA Simultaneous Multi-Projection technology, which allows the GTX 1060 to seamlessly project a single image simultaneously to both eyes, yielding a 3x VR graphics performance improvement over previous generation GPUs. This allows GTX 1060 users to play VR games with higher levels of detail, without sacrificing performance or quality, for a more realistic, immersive experience.

 

Simultaneous Multi-Projection is being integrated into the world's biggest game engines, Unreal Engine and Unity. More than 30 games are already in development, including Unreal Tournament, Poolnation VR, Everest VR, Obduction, Adr1ft and Raw Data.

 

NVIDIA Ansel Integrated into 'Mirror's Edge: Catalyst' and 'Witcher 3'; Available this Month

The GTX 1060 also supports NVIDIA Ansel™ technology, a powerful game-capture tool that allows gamers to explore, capture and share the artistry of gaming in ways never before possible. With Ansel, users can compose the gameplay shots they want, pointing the camera in any direction, from any vantage point within a gaming world, and then capture 360-degree stereo photospheres for viewing with a VR headset or Google Cardboard.

 

Gamers will be able to experience Ansel for themselves with Mirror's Edge: Catalyst next week, and Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, later this month. Many more Ansel-enabled games are in development, including Epic Games' Fortnite, Paragon and Unreal Tournament; Cyan Worlds' Obduction; Thekla's The Witness; Boss Key Productions' Lawbreakers; Ubisoft's Tom Clancy's The Division; and the highly anticipated No Man's Sky from Hello Games.

 

VR Funhouse Available This Month on Steam, Adds GTX 1060 Support

NVIDIA VR Funhouse -- the company's VR carnival game -- will be available for free later this month from Valve's Steam digital distribution service. Developed on Epic Games' Unreal Engine 4, VR Funhouse will work on GTX 1080, 1070 and 1060 GPUs and HTC Vive VR headsets. It will also be open sourced to developers and artists so they can create their own VR Funhouse attractions.

 

Special Limited Founder's Edition, Direct from NVIDIA

The GeForce GTX 1060 Founders Edition board -- designed and built by NVIDIA -- will be available starting July 19 for $299 at www.nvidia.com only. The GeForce GTX 1060 Founders Edition is crafted with premium materials and components, including a faceted die-cast aluminum body machine finished for strength and rigidity and a thermal solution designed to run cool and quiet.

 

Like the GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 Founders Edition boards, a dual-FETs power supply is used to improve power efficiency, along with a low impedance power delivery network and custom voltage regulators.

 

The NVIDIA Flickr page hosts the entire lineup of GeForce product photos. - See more at: http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-for-every-gamer:-nvidia-unveils-the-geforce-gtx-1060#sthash.30QRCTvF.dpuf

 

(1) Game list includes BioShock Infinite, Crysis 3, Grand Theft Auto V, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Star Wars Battlefront, Witcher 3, Ashes of the Singularity, The Division, and more. All games tested at 1080p resolution. GTX 1060 was tested with driver version 368.64 with a TGP measured at 120 watts. As of July 5, 2016, AMD RX480 competitive product was tested with driver version 16.6.2 across the same games and resolution with a measured TGP of 185 watts. - See more at: http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-for-every-gamer:-nvidia-unveils-the-geforce-gtx-1060#sthash.30QRCTvF.dpuf

 

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