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  1. Memory won't be an issue until after the eGPU is detected if you have error 12 appearing. If none of the methods listed got the eGPU detected then it would likely be a hardware problem. Either the PE4L, video card, mHDMI cable or power/PSU or expresscard. If you have another system with an expresscard slot handy I'd connect it up and see if it's detected. Another highly likely issue is the mHDMI cable if you have a PE4L 1.5 or older. I had a few mHDMI get faulty after repeated uses/bends. Swapping at least the ends might get some results but better would be swapping with a complete new mHDMI cable.
  2. Moved to <A HREF="http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/7476-%5Bguide%5D-dsdt-override-fix-error-12-a.html#post102517">DSDT override</A> post.
  3. [Posted 6-7-2011 in DIY eGPU experiences (NBR). Relocated to T|I due to being banned by Lenovo fan ZaZ] <a name=bplus-updates></A><span style="font-size: large">Thunderbolt, MXM, USB 3.0, PCIe 2.0 eGPU update (Series-6+ chipsets)</span> <span style="font-size:large">Updates from BPlus</span> Future x2 2.0 eGPUs via M.2/NGFF (mSATA) slot 6-15-2013: Masaharu about the new Gen2 compliant PCIEMM-060B detachable cables 03-27-2013: Masaharu's reply requesting MXM3 product 12-14-2012: Masaharu's reply to x1 jumper request on next TH05 revision 12-14-2012: Masaharu on new product that mixes best of current PE4L 2.1 and PE4H 2.4 feature set 11-25-2012: Masaharu on x4 2.0 Thunderbolt device ETA 10-01-2012: Masaharu on x4 2.0 Thunderbolt TH05 device 9-26-2012: Masaharu on PE4L-L060A being pci-e 1.x only! > has just used a PE4L-PM060A to do the first mPCIe 2.0 DIY eGPU > implementation here. > I can ask if he'd like to do testing and writeups with this KZ-B26 but > I'd only ask if it was pci-e 2,0 compliant. Unfortunately, PCIe 2.0 is not successful in our lab, probably because using PCIe-mPCIe adapter on desktop PC. So, when KZ-B26 is directly attached to laptop mPCIe slot, it may be still chance to work properly. > KZ-B26 questions > 1. Is it pci-e 2.0 compliant end-to-end? So far, it is not successful. However, similar product KZ-B21 using equivalent cable works fine with PCIe 2.0, so we suppose KZ-B26 should work fine with PCIe2.0. KZ-B21 (Flexible x1 PCI Express Extender) Also, shorter cables (10cm or 20cm) have much more chance for PCIe2.0 than present (30cm/12inch) cable. > 2. I can see the ZIF cable is flexible. Would the cable be durable enough > to be threaded out of the chassis, be wrapped under the chassis and > taped down when not in use? Then when required just undo tape > and connect to the ZIF-expresscard connector? We suppose KZ-B26 can work the kind of use. However, it's a kind of "drip injection", it can not work well hard mobile work. > 3. Would it be possible to go one step further and create some form of > double-adapter allowing a wifi card and the ZIF-PM3A adapter to occupy > the same mPCIe slot, similar to your MM3U? So when the ZIF cable was > attached to the expresscard-ZIF adapter, it would detect it and disengage > the wifi card from working? It's interesting idea! We will think about it in the next version. > Thunderbolt details with TH05 questions > 1. It is mentioned on your facebook page that it is 2 channel pci-e 2.0 link. > That is x2 2.0. Yes, TH05 support PCIe2.0 x2. > The concern me since Sandy/Ivy Bridge expresscard is x1 2.0 which > approximates to x2 2.0 with Optimus' pci-e compression (requires iGPU + > NVidia Fermi/Keplar card and a x1 link). So x2 2.0 Thunderbolt isn't > offering us any more performance. We can understand the situation, PCIe2.0 x2 is not large leap from PCIe 2.0 x1. > What I'm wondering is whether x4 2.0 and/or x4 3.0 Thunderbolt will > be available with the TH05? We have very little detail on the Thunderbolt > controllers other than the Series-6 chipset has a x4 2.0 link for the > Thunderbolt controller and the Series-7 chipset is x4 3.0 capable. Unfortunately, x4 can not be supported by TH05, because we use IC with Thunderbolt x1 channel and PCIe 2.0 x2. In 2012, and early 2013, we will keep using the IC, though there are TBTx2+PCIe2.0x2 ICs. First we will develop all product with TBT IC with TBTx1+PCIe2.0x2. After we get experience of TBT, we will use TBTx2+PCIe2.0x4 for higher performance. Step by step and tick-tock. > So that link needs the right matched components (Thunderbolt > mux/demux controllers and cabling) to get full performance out of it. > Finding the right candidate machine may require figuring out if they > have x2 2.0 or x4 2.0 or x2 3.0 or x4 3.0 TB links. > THe manufacturers of course are not telling us any of that detail. We suppose PCIe2.0x4 (5Gbps x4) is reasonable, because TBT I/F is 10Gbps x2. So, TBT I/F itself will be bottle neck for PCIe3.0x4. PCIe3.0x2 may possible, however, we do not see PCIe3.0 on intel road-map so far. > 2. Are you going to re-route the eGPU's Displayport output back via > Thunderbolt to the system? That would mean that if the system had > a muxed internal LCD it could display output to the internal LCD > without incurring any bandwidth penalties as we are seeing with > NVidia Optimus. It would require a mDP connector on the TH05 > to attach to the video card's HDMI/DP connector. So far, we do not have plan to add DisplayPort to our products, because TBT IC we use does not have the option. After we use another IC with PCIe2.0 x4, we will add DP port. > 3. Obviously people want to get their hands on these TH05 > Thunderbolt-to-pcie adapters. How far are we realistically away > from seeing a publically available product? Is there any NDA > preventing beta/engineering samples being released? Yes, intel's NDA is very strict. We suppose intel wants to control TBT market strictly because it's very high speed and the market should not be messy with low quality products. So only intel certified products can be released, and hopefully TH05 should be certified in the end of August. After that we can release samples for limited quantity. 6-07-2012 BPlus Computex 2012 Thunderbolt/eGPU products 6-05-2012 NEW! US$92-shipped PE4L-PM060A (mPCIe 2.0) 5-29-2012: Masaharu on PE4L 2.1b product listing and mPCIe PE4L-PM060A 2.1 availability We are very sorry about this, and thank you for your proposals. We know PE4L v2.1a issue because we got RMA from customer and confirmed CLKREQ# pin needs rework for some of released v2.1a. There are some ways to tell v2.1a or v2.1b; - Shipped after March 23rd. - Version Silk on PCB We will update our web site of PE4L v2.1b to see this information. Also, MiniCard version of PE4L 2.1 (pci-e 2.0). We got samples of PE4L-PM060A. Please refer attached jpg file for the product image. 5-22-2012: Masaharu Thunderbolt, mPCIe products and pci-e 3.0 compliant cables One is TH03, ExpressCard 54 Thunderbolt Adapter. TH03 ( ExpressCard 54 Thunderbolt Adapter) The other one is TH05L/M. PCIe X1/X2 - Thunderbolt adapter. It looks like PE4L. Sorry no photo at present. > 2. Any pics/photos of the pci-e 2.0 mPCIe product with the detachable cable extender. This would help the users visualize the solution. Unfortunately, sample is not arrived yet. When we got them, we will send the photo to you. > Series-7 chipset (Ivy Bridge) is a x4 3.0 capable Thunderbolt interface. Meaning I'd recommend ensuring pci-e 3.0 compliance of your cabling solution as soon as possible. So far, PE4L v2.1b achieved PCIe3.0. As mPCIe-PCIe solution will be same configuration as PE4L v2.1b, we hope it can also support PCIe3.0. Thank you for your information. We will develop other product lines, such as enhanced PE4H or mPCIe solutions as you suggested. 5-18-2012: Masaharu - mPCIe pci-e 2.0 product with detachable cable available KZ-B21 (Flexible x1 PCI Express Extender) and front-end changed to mPCIe. So, we should make PCIe-mPCIe type product, and we think it probably satisfy your request. As KZ-B21-30 (30cm) achieved PCIe 2.0, we hope PCIe-mPCIe one also will be PCIe2.0. 5-02-2012: Masaharu - mPCIe pci-e 2.0 product sample available > could also benefit from a PE4L-PM3N 2.1. Regarding that kind of product, we already developed samples, after we asked my boss. The product name is "PE4L-PM060A V2.1b". PE4L portion is same as PE4L-EC2C v2.1b?and PM060A stands for Pcie Minicard (Half size) and 60cm cable. We hope we can test in the middle of May. 3-11-2012: Masaharu responds to PCI-E 3.0 compliance request > Means the dGPU link into the CPU (x16 port), that's used by Thunderbolt > by at x4 only, will be able to transmit at 8GT/s. I am also curious for PCIe 3.0. We would like to buy PCIe3.0 M/B and video card to try them. > Can you make the cabling/connectors on the PE4L/PE4H to be PCIe 3.0 compliant? We will test first with PE4L v2.1a can be capable for PCIe3.0. Also, not only 60cm cable but also longer and shorter cable how the PE4L can do with PCIe3.0 3-7-2012: Masaharu on PE4L 2.1 manufacturing improvements > One confirms he too ran his PE4L and video card in a perpendicular > arrangement, so there was 'slight' twisting around the EC2C point. > He, like me, did believe the device was resilient enough to handle > that minor force. First 50 units run with enhancement of current design. Double of heat shrink tube and glue inside of EC2C point. Please attachment. > Regarding bottom plate for PE4L v2.1, we will have similar one as PE4L v1.5. Regarding bottom plate for PE4L v2.1, please refer attachment. 3-2-2012: Masaharu RE EC2C end reinforcement of PE4L 2.1/PE4H 3.0 > Hmm.. a bit distress this news. I had hoped some interim workaround could be > put in place to secure the EC2C point in place. We found enclosure below, it's for ethernet ExpressCard and generic to obtain easily. mHDMI cable can go through the ethernet connector, so we can use it somehow and production will have running change if it is available. > I'll give another warning about RMA/return units. > There is also at least two other users who are having problems > with their first-release PE4L 2.1a units detecting their video card. > One confirms he too ran his PE4L and video card in a perpendicular > arrangement, so there was 'slight' twisting around the EC2C point. > He, like me, did believe the device was resilient enough to handle > that minor force. Thank you for your advice. At first, we enhanced power line in mHDMI cable soldered at ExpressCard to apply heat shrinkable tube so there is little possibility to have short circuit to contact to ExpressCard enclosure. > All usual troubleshooting has been exhausted to diagnose the problem. > Which leads me to believe those users too may have faulty PE4L 2.1 units. > Should they be advised to seek a RMA for their 'faulty' units? It is the way the engineering sample is. At present, they may have same issue with the present product version, because it is a little bit improved from your version. So, if they need RMA, we recommend after this issue is comprehensively solved and become mature. 3-1-2012: Masaharu RE socketted mPCIe pci-e 2.0 product desired > You can see an excellent Lenovo Z570 Series-6 mPCIe DIY eGPU implementation at > DIY eGPU experiences - Page 867 > The flat cable allowing easy insertion/removal from the PM3N when has a nice cutout like shown. This rework is great. > Now the upcoming PE4L-PM3N 2.1 won't be able to be inserted in that same way since it's a > PE4L+mHDMI cable + PM3N all soldered together. We suppose cutout still work for soldered PE4L-mHDMI-PM3N, and also cutout area will be smaller because fat connector portion will be removed. > Is there no way you can investigate other connectors to try to achieve pci-e 2.0 signalling > so that at least the EC2C/PM3N end can be socketted? Inserting the whole PM3N is not > such a practical solution and causes wear on the mPCIe socket. We also wondering if there were connector to realize it. We suppose any connectors do not have so much difference such as about contact impedance. At this time, we have to think about cable characteristics, such as impedance 100ohm and maximum frequency. After that, we have a few options, such as HDMI, miniDisplayPort or Thunderbolt cables. At present, mHDMI is the most reasonable finally, so we are not able to switch to other cables. 2-19-2012: Masaharu RE mPCIe products and PE4H 3.0+enclosure Yes, we have a plan to have mPCIe-PE4Lv2.1, maybe in April. Probably we can release mPCIe-PE4H v3.0 after releasing ExperssCard version. > Would be useful to know ETA of the PE4H 3.0 and enclosure products as well. We will release PCB version of PE4H v3.0 first. Enclosure version will be after a few month later of the release, so we hope we can release it in May or June. 2-10-2012: Masaharu RE Pictures of sample PE4H 3.0 We just got the PE4H v3.0 sample. Please refer attached JPG pictures. We hope you like it. 2-2-2012: Masaharu RE PE4H 3.0 features, REQUEST higher power PE4L jack (no go) > Does that mean you can provide some photos of it? When we got samples from Shanghai, we can provide them. > As to the features list. > - Direct ATX power connection: 300W available > Do you mean there is a 24-pin ATX connector on the PE4H 3.0 > so can plug directly into it? Yes, 24pin female connector is on PE4H v3.0. > While that might be handy consider that the a pci-e 1.x slot > only needs 75W. A pci-e 2.0 slot is rated up to 150W > but I've never seen one uses that much power.. > I believe they still adhere to 75W. Power supply from PCIe slot is 75W. 300W is available 6pin and 8pin PCIe power connectors are connected from ATX power to VGA board. > The other benefits of the ATX connector on the PE4H 3.0 would be: > 1) you can add circuitry to power on/off the ATX PSU via the PS_ON pin. > 2) many ATX PSUs are dual rail, though there are single rail ones. > Having the ATX connector allows access to the one 12V rail. > The molex/pci-e power connectors tend to be one another 12V rail. PE4H v3.0 power is controlled by the hardware power switch and ExpressCard 3.3V power. Power from ATX power and 19V AC adapter are controlled by ExpressCard 3.3V power, external PS_ON is not necessary. > - PCIe2.0 x1 capable > - Enclosure available > Pictures/pricing of the enclosure please. > We have a new eGPU logo you can create as a sticker: See here. Unfortunately, we are not able to see the picture even though we registered. We will check it again later. > - Power & Reset timing switches > If I am correct about the ATX connector then can have > an ON/OFF/AUTO power switch where AUTO detects > the pci-e signal lines and sends an active low to the > ATX connector's PS_ON when a signal is detected to power on the PSU? Unfortunately, PE4H v3.0 is not so intelligent. PE4H v3.0 just check 3.3V from Expresscard, it means, ExpressCard slot portion of PE4H v3.0 is inserted to ExpressCard slot or not. If ExpressCard 3.3V is provided, main power will be on. > Comments RE: PE4L strengthened tracks to support say 200W via DC jack > Also, can you comment in my last emai?. There I requested the PE4L 2.1's > 12V/GND PE4L tracks and DC jack to be strengthened to allow say 200W > to pass via the DC jack and so can then be split to pass out via the floppy > molex connector as inputs into the pci-e power connector. Some users like > the small profile of the PE4L and would like to power a card such as a > GTX560/560Ti using an AC adapter in a portable fashion. Splitting power > in that way makes it possible. Regarding PE4L v2.1, 12V/5V could be maximum. We checked PE4L layout. For DC jack connector to floppy power cable, 12V/3A (5A at most) should be capable. So, additional jumper is required as you suggested. Even though we tried to have additional power plane for 12V, we were not able to find it on present PCB surface budget. So, we also suggest to add external jumper to enhance 12V and GND between DC jack connector and floppy power connector to use 150W AC adapter for PCIe 6/8pin power <span style="background-color:yellow">01-21-2012: PE4L 2.1 (pci-e 2.0) will be available on Feb-20-2012 as a US$70+shipping engineering sample. Detailed photos of one are here.</span> 1-20-2012: Masaharu from BPlus response to 12V bypass for PE4H DC jack + PE4H 3.0 arrival > The idea being they could set a jumper or switch that bypassed the 15-19V->12V regulator and just use the DC jack with a > 12V AC adapter. It's good idea, we would like to add it next revision. Regarding PE4H v3.0, first sample was arrived at Shanghai. Some of brief tests are finished, and PCIe2.0 is good at 100cm cable. We hope we can have additional evaluation after Chinese New Year. A happy Chinese New Year! 1-19-2012: Masaharu from BPlus response on cable length and some other requests At present we consider 60cm for product release which is same length as cable length with v1.5 package. At this time at least 100cm must be achieved for the 60cm product release. For internal testing, the target is 200cm, we may have 100cm if the 200cm is ok. > 1. You can see that the original idea of a socketed cable was a good one. Perhaps continue to test different sockets > and even keep the ReDriver idea in mind with the goal of being able to have a variable length socketted cable > (NOT soldered). Regarding this kind of configuration, we already tested and failed many times. So, we came to conclusion that mHDMI cable must be soldered at the both ends of the cable. > 2. Can add a new PS_ON output connector on the PE4L/PE4L? This was requested some time ago. As v2.1 was derived from v1.5 so the PS_ON is not applied for v2.1. We will have the PS_ON and other small fixes on next version, because it can not be on time for v2.1 release. > 3. Ensure you have 12V->3.3V voltage regulation @ 3A (10W) so the user doesn't need an auxilery 5V/3.3V input. > That is the pci-e spec for maximum 3.3V input power. 12v-3.3v regulator can not be applied for PE4L because the regulator exceeds thermal envelope of PE4L. Instead, we will apply another way that put 5V from USB port for 5v-3.3v regulator to achieve 3A/10W for 3.3v power plane; 3.3V from ExpressCard: 1.3A 5V-3.3V on PE4L: 2A Total 3.3V current: 3.3A > 4. For the PE4H 3.0, please add some more perspex height to the base. If I installed my video card on previous > versions then the slot cover plate was slightly higher resulting in the card lifting itself out of the x16 socket > so I had to put it on another base to give it some more height. This time, we have different type of PCIe x16 slot connector so that your current issue will not occur. Please refer picture below. There is 4mm space on the rear side of PCIe boards so the most of VGA can be used. * This picture is different product's prototype. PCIe x16 slot arrangement is same. 1-17-2012: Masaharu from BPlus finalizes the pci-e 2.0 compliant PE4L 2.1 pricing So finally we decided to put $70 tag for PE4L v2.1. Thank you for your suggestion to give us a chance to reconsider the price before making mistake in the market. 1-17-2012: Tech Inferno Fan response requesting lower PE4L 2.1 price for next 6 months Based on those comments, I know DIY eGPU users have avoided purchase of competitor hardware and put their faith in BPlus delivering a cost effective solution. A $105+shipping price is a nasty surprise after a 1 year wait. The comment above was also made when the PE4L cost $55. So I consider x2/1.5x of then/now pricing as being unreasonable. A $105 pricepoint is 3 times more than the original project guideline of $35. Please advise if you can guarantee a price of US$71 for an engineering sample or final PE4L 2.1 product for the next 6 months. That is 1.3x the previous $55 price of a PE4L which is reasonable. It would be a terrible loss for everyone if BPlus was no longer the preferred source of the DIY eGPU hardware because of unreasonable pricing. 1-17-2012: Masaharu from BPlus clarified PE4L 2.1 pricing and requests optimized cable length PE4L v2.1 at $105 is ES sample price. There is some duration period before MP, and we have some pilot run ES samples at that time for evaluation. If somebody need to obtain earlier even the ES samples, we can provide them at the ES price with limited quantity. MP price is not fixed yet, however, we can provide more reasonable price for it as you suggested. Now, I need a help. Regarding cable length, we would like to know the optimized length, because the cable cannot be changed. The length of PE4L v2.1 sample we sent you is 25cm. We suppose it might not be long enough, but should not be too long for handling. So, we would like to know how you feel the length and the optimized length. 1-16-2012: Reply from Tech Inferno Fan to Masaharu at BPlus last message below about pricing (1) the original PE4L was set at $35 so I consider it to be gross profiteering and no longer aligned with the community spirit of the project (2) The Thunderbolt-based MSI GUS II with enclosure is rumored to cost US$150 so a basic PE4L 2.1 for $105 is not at all competitive for older technology. It's not far off the cost of an enclosure-based pci-e 2.0 compliant ViDock 2/3/4/4+. (3) The original request for a pci-e 2.0 compliant product was exactly 1 year ago. The ETA has been excruciating slow with no real reason for users who held out to purchase an overpriced product if it's going to be $105. It's a terrible surprise after a long wait. (4) Technical users who think the pricing is excessive may consider making a true DIY version like this or a $55-delivered PE3A-based unit. If this is to be the price then I'll be requesting the DIY eGPU community organize an alternative manufacturer to deliver a pci-e 2.0 compliant PE4L/PE4H clone at the US$71 pricepoint. Your comments are much desired on this important aspect. 1-16-2012: Update from Masaharu at BPlus We well tested PE4L v2.1 on PC as attached BPLUS-PC.txt and AMD 4670 VGA. In our lab, the results were pretty good, and achieved PCIe 2.0 speed. At "Resident Evil 5" benchmark test, v2.1 had twice performance of v1.5's. PE4L v1.5: 23FPS PE4L v2.1: 46FPS So, we are confident that v2.1 achieved PCIe 2.0. However, it's still engineering sample, because we still need to test longer cable (yours is 25cm, another 35cm one was also ok, we would like to test 55cm) and tested only one PC system. Also, we have some small modification (which not related to PCIe portion). So, next version will come out after Chinese new year holiday season. We hope we can release it by the end of Feb. > If so, perhaps you can give another update I can add to the Thunderbolt, USB 3.0, > PCIe 2.0 eGPU update so that Series-6 chipset users can now buy it? Regarding Thunderbolt, we requested intel to provide permission to use the chip, and they will reply the results in beginning of Feb. Regarding PCIe 2.0, PE4H v3.0 will arrive in this week. We consider to sell the module (= without enclosure) first. > Is there a product link to the new PE4L 2.1? > What will be it's price? Have you soldered the PE4L+cable+EC2C all together now? We are very sorry but product site is still under construction. We consider the price is approx x1.5 of PE4L v1.5, but not fixed yet. PE4L v2.1 is PE4L+cable+EC2C all together as you recommended; I forgot to say one thing. Joints portion of the both ends of cable is not strong enough now. Please take care of them carefully. 1-10-2012: Update from Masaharu at BPlus > in the next couple of days? Good timing. Today, we got PCBs in Shanghai and started SMT. We hope they will arrive at Taipei in weekend and be tested. If it is go, we will ship a piece to you. > If not, can you give a revised ETA for products to be added to the > Thunderolt, USB 3.0, PCIe 2.0 eGPU update. Regarding Thunderbolt, it is not so easy to develop so we ask Intel to provide chip and spec. We hope we can receive them soon and resume developing. 12-22-2011: Update from Masaharu at BPlus > as that is all the most people will require. The enclosure is a nice option > for those that want a tidy solution similar to what Villagetronic/Magma offers. Only PE4H v3.0 will have enclosure. PE4L v2.0 will have same style as before. > Is the PE4L 2.0 scheduled to be released at the same time as the PE4H 3.0? > Some might prefer it's smaller footprint and price. We would have PE4L 2.0 earlier, hopefully Jan/2011. The footprint will be almost same as before. Regarding PE4H 3.0, it will be larger for enclosure, and quite different from before. It will be released after enclosure is finished so probably Feb or March/2012. > Consider that CES 2011 will likely see mainstream Thunderbolt products being > released. Those will compete with expresscard products but deliver more bandwidth. > Ie: x1 2.0 Optimus is approx x2 2.0 in bandwidth due to pci-e compression, or half > of Thunderbolt when used on an external LCD. We already ordered a Thunderbolt product, however, the arrival will be delayed due to large back order. We will also develop Thunderbolt products after PE4x to shift to Thunderbolt. 12-19-2011: Update from Masaharu at BPlus > Maybe those unwilling to wait will buy and modify a PE3A instead if it's going > to still be a few months away. Regarding PE3A, we decided not to have updated product any more. Regarding PE4H v3.0, it is easy just for PCB, and now we are under discussion for enclosure so that it takes some more time to fix the spec. We hope we can fix the spec within this year and release it on January at least for PCB portion. 12-07-2011: Update from Masaharu at BPlus > PE5H v1.0: ThunderboltX2-PCIe2.0x4, for PCIe2.0x16 video card w/ enclosure, Nov/E > HP4C v1.0: PCIe2.0x4-ThunderboltX2, Install to Desktop PCIe slot, Nov/E We got the samples in the beginning of this week. However, they do not work well at present, so they are now pending for a while including other TB products such as EC3C. > mHDMI cable Products (Revise): > EC2C v2.0: ExpressCard(PCIe2.0x1)-mHDMI with ReDriver, Install to ExC slot, Dec/B > PE4L v2.0: mHDMI-PCIe2.0x1, for PCIe2.0x16 video card, Dec/M > PE4H v3.0: mHDMIx4-PCIe2.0x4, for PCIe2.0x16 video card, Dec/M Regarding mHDMI products, PCIe2.0 was achieved with combination of mHDMI-cable-direct-connected-ADP and PE4L v1.5 (without ReDriver). ADP: ADP (Mini PCI-E / PCI-E adapter ver1.0). So, we decided to develop PCIe2.0 products without ReDriver. Now, we plan to develop PE4H ver3.0 which has direct connected to EC2C with mHDMI cable for both sides so that there is no mHDMI connector between PE4H and EC2C. By the way, we also developed mHDMI-cable-direct-connected-EC2C (sample). 11-18-2011: Update from Masaharu at BPlus Thunderbolt cable Products: PE5H v1.0: Thunderbolt-PCIe2.0x4, for PCIe2.0x16 video card w/ enclosure, Nov/E HP1C v1.0: PCIe2.0x4-Thunderbolt, Install to Desktop PCIe slot, Nov/E HP4C v1.0: PCIeX4 edge-ThunderboltX2 adapter EC3C v1.0: ExpressCard(PCIe2.0x1)-Thunderbolt, Install to ExC slot, Dec/B mHDMI cable Products (Revise): EC2C v2.0: ExpressCard(PCIe2.0x1)-mHDMI with ReDriver, Install to ExC slot, Dec/B PE4L v2.0: mHDMI-PCIe2.0x1, for PCIe2.0x16 video card, Dec/M PE4H v3.0: mHDMIx4-PCIe2.0x4, for PCIe2.0x16 video card, Dec/M At present, we concentrate to overcome PCIe2.0, because ReDriver IC or Thunderbolt cables are compliant with PCIe2.0. After that, if pin-compatible ReDriver IC for PCIe3.0 or PCIe3.0 Thunderbolt cable is developed, the products above can be used for PCIe3.0. If not, we will develop PCIe3.0 in the future somehow, of course. Regarding Thunderbolt and enclosure product, PE4H v3.0 is it. Our target ETA is Nov/E, and we hope evaluation can be finished until Dec/B. As development is not finished nor components are not fixed yet, the price is not unknown yet either. However, we would like to apply reasonable price compared with current PE4H products. Regarding USB3.0 enclosure We have already developed it and the product number is "USB3380". However, it is not suitable for PC consumers but for embedded system, because installed video card can not be used directly and lots of device driver modification is required, due to bus architecture difference between PCIe and USB3.0. The USB3380 is available at PLX or PLX's distributors, however we still recommended except for embedded systems. 10-12-2011: Aaron Yang (source) 9-21-2011: GerryChen New version of PE4L-EC2C add ReDriver IC design now. An engineering sample will be available next month. 9-3-2011: GerryChen summary: using a active transmitter/receiver pair for reliable pci-e 2.0 transmission over copper. PI3EQX5701.pdf 8-4-2011: new flat cables are now available. BPlus allude to the mini HDMI cable as being the culprit preventing pci-e 2.0 signalling. subject RE: pci-e 2.0 compliance of hwtools' PE4L/PE4H kit [ highlights that the email node has changed ] Please check attached file for new cable spec. The new cable available in my warehouse. It will launch web-shop this week. New cable quality is better than old cable. But new cable still can’t work for PCIe2.0 speed. Let me know your test result. Thank you. PCIEMM comparison_2011Aug04.pdf PCIEMM_A.pdf Who has pci-e 2.0 compliant cabling? <br> · BPlus: PE4L 2.1 (avail 20th Feb) and PE4H 3.0 are pci-e 2.0 compliant. · BPlus: a PE3A+riser is pci-e compliant, as is a modded PE3A. The latter is a cableless solution with the eGPU butted right up against the expresscard slot. <br> · bplus are now developing an active transmitter/receiver pair for reliable pci-e 2.0 transmission over copper. Their previous attempt at a new flat cable only allowed pci-e 1.0 over a longer length as shown. It uses a mini HDMI connector. <strike>Interested parties could try a $15 NXG active HDMI cable via two HDMI<->mHDMI adapters, noting that pin18 provides power with HDMI transmitting 5V and the EC2C/PM3N transmitting 3.3V which might be an issue.</strike> <-- doesn't work. <strike>Khenglish is in the process of obtaining a short mini HDMI to mini HDMI adapter to try instead of the cable.</strike> <- doesn't work. <br> · Netstor's TurboBox-mini has pci-e 2.0 compliant cabling. <br> · Apple's $50 Thunderbolt cable is the only one certified to do pci-e 2.0 signalling on copper due to being active in nature. It uses a mini Displayport connector <a name=TB></A><span style="font-size:large">Thunderbolt Products</span> Updated 4-22-2012 MSI GUS II: availability/pricing is unknown but rumored to be $199 with 150W PSU. US$400 MLogic MLink Thunderbolt pci-e expansion: Available in July 2012 . Red Rocket version starting at $800. NAB 2012 - M Logic on Vimeo OWC Thunderbolt PCIe x4 Expander Box ~ single slot chassis at 4x. OWC will be Nabbing Some Attention at NAB. | Other World Computing Blog Sonnet Thunderbolt Echo Express: Available in June 2012. $800 for 150W chassis, $600 for 100W chassis US$979 Magma Thunderbolt product - ExpressBox 3T: Pre-order on the product pre-order page. Netstor's Thunderbolt product - TurboBox : Available soon according to the discussion page. Villagetronic Thunderbolt product: Is being developed. External Thunderbolt PCI Expansion Chassis and Hub in Development - Mac Rumors. Do NOTE, their CEO indicates on their facebook page that Intel would not provide Villagetronic a development kit. Which systems have or will have Thunderbolt ports? * Apple MBA/MBP 2011 * Sony Z2 -> it's a proprietory Lightpeak port * Lenovo S430 : the first PC notebook announced to be released with a Thunderbolt port * Asus and Acer will have TB port systems in Q1-Q2 2012 * Intel Working on Standardized Thunderbolt Docking System for PCs - Mac Rumors <A name=usb3></A><span style="font-size:large">USB 3.0 Products</span> - PLXtech's USB3.0 to pci-e adapter has been demonstrated working with a desktop video card attached to a USB 3.0 port here. 11-11-2011: Masaharu- USB 3.0 is no go We have already developed it and the product number is "USB3380". However, it is not suitable for PC consumers but for embedded system, because installed video card can not be used directly and lots of device driver modification is required, due to bus architecture difference between PCIe and USB3.0. The USB3380 is available at PLX or PLX's distributors, however we still recommended except for embedded systems. 10-14-2011: GerryChen
  4. +1 for Khenglish's response. The expresscard HDMI card he's referring to has been extensively discussed at Play PS3/X360 on laptop screen using new HDMI Input Express Card. . There are examples of wiring the LVDS lines to the LCD on the web. The one I know of is user 'no-tech' on NBR doing it to upgrade a HDX9000 from a 8800M GTS to a GTX280M MXM card. There they couldn't get a stable image any other way than routing the GTX280M DVI output back to the internal LCD. His ideas about it start at *HP HDX 9000 DRAGON Owners Lounge, Part 2* - Page 497 .
  5. Moved to http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/7476-%5Bguide%5D-dsdt-override-fix-error-12-a.html#post102517 .
  6. Unfortunately your system is x1 1.0 capable only, so there is nothing more that can be done to extract better performance. Consider: * PM55 is pci-e 2.0 compliant but only for power management. The link speed is still pci-e 1.0. You need a Series-6 chipsets or newer for pci-e 2.0. * Last time I checked, the port listing of a DV7 wasn't capable to support x2. There would need [port1+2], [port3+4], [port5+6] or [port7+8] accessible as expresscard+mPCIe or mPCIe+mPCIe). To answer your question, x3 isn't possible. * Putting an Arrandale CPU like a i5-580M into your system won't enable the iGPU to be the primary bootup video device. Sure, you can enable it using Setup 1.1x but the NVidia driver will only engage pci-e compression if the iGPU is the primary bootup video device. So no x1.Opt would be possible. My suggestion is to offload the system for an inexpensive Sandy Bridge system like a 17" Dell Vostro 3750. Then you'll be able to enjoy x1.2Opt performance, approx 4 times more bandwidth than the best your DV7 can do (x1 1.0).
  7. <a name="implementations"></A>Implementations moved to a dedicated thread: http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/6578-implementations-hub-tb-ec-mpcie.html#post89707
  8. THIS PAGE IS A RUNNING SUMMARY OF THIS LONG THREAD. >> SEARCH this eGPU forum. experiences [2.0] N E W S GETTING STARTED >>> Introduction A brief introduction with the story of the solution. Pros and Cons A summary of the pros and cons of a DIY eGPU Pre purchase FAQ Answers to questions before you commit First steps Parts/software/info for a successful installation Performance: AMD versus NVIDIA benchmark results Compares AMD and NVIDIA perf on the same sys Performance: Scaling Analysis Compare performance over x1, x1E, x1.Opt, x2, x2E links Implementations: Examples and Leaderboard PC and Macbook eGPU implementations by users Implementations: older Macbook Implementations on older core2duo Macs Implementations: CUDA/OpenCL Implementations using the GPU for applications+computation Implementations: non-video Non-video implementations: soundcards atm Non English eGPU forums eGPU forums in non-English speaking locales Archived news Misc other articles INTRODUCTION >>> This thread serves as a roadmap for those who wish to attach an external Graphics Processing Unit (eGPU) to a notebook/laptop computer. Connection may be achieved through an ExpressCard, mPCIe slot, or Thunderbolt port.This thread is a place for users to share installation and performance details for others to duplicate or reference. * SimoxTav's Video game benchmarking* Graw/TWE/MafiaII12" Len.X201t+HD5770* StarcraftII13"_Dell_M1330+GTX460* Star Trek Online15"_Macbook Pro+GT240 Gaming videos running on an eGPU implementation US$70 PE4L-EC2C (expresscard) or PE4L-PM3N (mPCIe) products $91 PE4H-EC2C (expresscard) or PE4H-PM3N (mPCIe) products HP 2560P GTX560Ti @x1.2Opt DIY eGPU impl playing NFS Shift on the internal LCD HP 2510P: [mPCIe] Swap wifi card via underside covers Note: For those running Windows 7, you can install the eGPU without rebooting your system. Simply and the turn the system to standby system and attach the PE4L. Your system will return to its desktop presets once it detects the PE4L. You will immediately see a significant upgrade in the performance. For example. a Inspiron 1440 using the x1E tweak saw 3dmark06 go from 866 to 9551. RE5 benchmark went from an unplayable 4.1FPS to a very playabe 60.9FPS. The HP 2560P's x1.2Opt link saw 3dmark06 increase over 4 times to 18340 and RE5 gave an average of 148.3FPS(!!), even allowing the internal LCD to be driven by the eGPU. PROS AND CONS >>> Pros Inexpensive: US$92-shipped PE4L with HD5770+120W=$200, GTS450+120W=$160, GTX460-1GB+430W=$210, GT430+72W=$130, HD5670+72W=$140. Add $66 for a x2 capable kit using a PE4H. can be used on any system with an accessible expresscard OR mPCIe slot has inexpensive eGPU enclosure examples if you want an enclosure 10 times or more increase in video performance can have Internal LCD-only setup: NVIDIA Optimus or Ultramon/Chung-Gun method. provides additional HDMI video+audio, s-video and VGA out provides dual-link DVI connection for 2560x1600 LCDs allows multi-monitor connectivity: AMD Eyefinity to provide up to 3 LCDs attached to any HD54xx or better card. Drive up to 6 LCDs to using a HD7xxx or better card supporting Eyefinity 2.0 AMD FirePro 2450, 2450x1, and 2460 to drive up to 4 monitors from a low power card NVIDIA Surround can connect up to 4 simultaneous LCDs. easy, on-demand attachment without a reboot if running Win7 can be reused after a system upgrade, or shared amongst multiple systems see an extra 30-60% in performance when attached to an expresscard 2.0 system, or do a x2 1.0 setup provides an additional USB port when connected to expresscard slot Time-share your desktop video card b/w your desktop and notebook system. perform CUDA/OpenCL processing for applications that support it like Adobe CS5/Premiere [NVIDIA graphics only] ability to use physX/hybrid physX & game detail components can become a stepping stone to a full deskop system if want higher performance Cons requires a 12V PSU to drive the desktop eGPU requires an external LCD/CRT/TV to connect to display at highest FPS may require booting DIY eGPU Setup 1.x from a disk image or USB stick to overcome error 12 issues restricted bandwidth: a x1/x2/x4 link represents 1/16, 1/8 or 1/4 the bandwidth of a x16 slot. PRE PURCHASE FAQ >>> -> moved to http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/7969-pre-purchase-faq.html#post109073 FIRST STEPS >>> -> moved to http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/7969-pre-purchase-faq.html#post109073 PERFORMANCE >>> AMD versus NVIDIA back-to-back benchmark results GTX560Ti vs GTX660 @x1.2Opt (int vs ext) (i5-2540M 2.6, bjorm) HD7770@x1 vs x1E (P8400-2.26, damir001 inc PCISpeedTest) HD7870 vs GTX660 at all expresscard/mPCIe bandwidths available (i5-3320M 2.6, Tech Inferno Fan) HD6970@x4 2.0 vs GTX460@x4 2.0 vs x16 2.0 (i5-2400 3.1, tomshardware) [email protected] vs GTX560Ti (i7-2820QM 2.3, carage) [email protected] vs [email protected] (i7-2630QM 2.0, timohour) NVS4200M vs [email protected] (i7-2670QM, Tom_ger) [email protected] vs x1.1Opt and GTX580 versus [email protected] (i5-2520M 2.5, arsenal243) GTX480 versus GTX560Ti@x1Opt (i7-620M 2.66, Mikjoa) GTX460-1GB versus GTX560Ti @x1.1Opt (i5-2520M 2.5, Warwickeo) GTS450 versus GTX460 @x1.Opt (i7-640M 2.80, docusyn) HD5750 versus GTX470 on x1, x1.Opt and x2 links (i5-430M 2.26, Tech Inferno Fan) HD5750 versus GTX460 on x1 and x1E links (T9300-2.5, ithildin) HD5750 versus GTX470 on x1, x1E, x1.Opt and x2 links (T6600-2.2/T2050-1.6/U7600-1.2, Tech Inferno Fan) Scaling Analysis (07-05-2014) [Performance] Desktop vs eGPU - GTX770 + R9 270x HD5870@x2 1.0 vs x16 2.0 (i7-720QM/i7-3820, kizwan) HD7970 versus GTX680: pci-e scaling x4, x8, x16 @pci-e 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 HD7970: pci-e 3.0 x2, x4, x8, x16 scaling GTX580: x1.2Opt vs x1.1Opt +30% overclock & (i7-2920XM 2.4, Khenglish) GTX560Ti: x1.2Opt vs x1.1Opt [internal LCD vs external LCD] (i5-2540M 2.6, Tech Inferno Fan) HD5850: x16, x4, x2, x1 (~i7-2820QM, timohour) HD5870: x2 versus x1 (i7-720QM 1.6, kizwan) GTX580+GTX460: x2 vs x1 vs GTX260M (P8700-2.53, mangos47) [email protected] scaling analysis internal vs external LCD, +25% PCIe, +40% GPU core O/C ([email protected], Tech Inferno Fan) GTX460@x2 scaling analysis +20% cpu, +20% PCIe, ~20% GPU (T9400-2.53, khenglish) HD5750: x1 versus x1E (T9300-2.5, ithildin) Older MACBOOK >>> 04-03-2011 MacBook 17 T7600-2.33 with X1600 + HD6850 implemented with Win7/32 11-10-2010 Mac Mini T7200-2.0 + HD5450 implemented with Win7. 11-05-2010 MBP 17" T2600-2.16 with X1600 + GT240M result with Win7. 9-27-2010 MBP 15" Unibody T7500-2.2, 6GB RAM with 8600M GT+HD4650/HD5770-7LCDs impl. & & & with Win7. 8-11-2010 MBP 15" Unibody T7500-2.2 with 8600M GT + HD4870 implemented with Win7 and MacOS 10.6 For MacOS DIY eGPU implementations see DIY eGPU MacOS Experiences. CUDA/OPENCL APPLICATIONS >>> Octane Render: 10x faster than CPU-based rendering. Badaboom: CUDA based video transcoding NON-VIDEO PCI-E CARDS >>> Creative SB X-Fi Titanium desktop sound card via the ExpressCard slot. See details. NON ENGLISH eGPU FORUMS >>> Croatia (bug.hr): EGPU - Eksterna graficka za laptop and (pcekspert.hr): eGPU - Eksterna graficka i laptop Finland (murobbs.plaza.fi): DIY eGPU eli pöytäkoneen näytönohjain kannettavaan Germany (hardwareluxx.de): ATI HD5770 per ExpressCard am Laptop ! Germany (computerbase.de): [Erfahrungsbericht] [PE4H] externe Grafikkarte für das Notebook Hungary (prohardver.hu): eGPU tapasztalatok Indonesia (kaskus.us): [VGA CARD] DIY ViDock (Solusi External Graphic Card Untuk Laptop) Italy (techarena.it): eGPU Poland (notebookcheck.pl): Zewnetrzna karta graficzna, (DIY) ViDock, Magma Box i pochodne, czyli czym to sie je Spain (chw.net): Tarjeta de Video externa para Notebook DIY eGPU [REVIEW] Vietnam (vozforums): [Review]EGPU công cụ thêm card đồ họa cho laptop ARCHIVED NEWS >>> 06-05-2014 US$68 ThunderboltEX II PCIe-eGPU adapter mod 02-12-2014 Successful AMD HD6950 x1 Crossfire under Win7 10-1-2014 Thunderbolt eGPUs: Silverstone T004 = ASUS XG2 12-27-2013 US$250 SilverStone T004 TB enclosure ETA Q1-2014 12-15-2013 Hacking a NVidia Geforce into a Quadro/Grid Pro card 12-12-2013 Q: what do you want in the next BPlus eGPU adapter? 11-20-2013 Ivxy's GTX770/GTX660/GTX560Ti-448/HD4870 scaling 11-03-2013 BF4 vids on [email protected] [email protected] 10-18-2013 Lenovo X230 BIOS 2.56 for eGPU 09-23-2013 Future x2 2.0 M.2/NGFF (mSATA) slot eGPUs 08-24-2013 Howto: using eGPU under MacOSX 08-22-2013 20Gbps "Thunderbolt 2" sysboard released 07-27-2013 ~US$250 450W TB enclosure: Silverstone T004 07-25-2013 modding PE4L 2.1b for longer delay 07-15-2013 Acer ditches Thunderbolt in new systems 07-03-2013 PE4H 2.4a + EC2C/PM3N + PCIEMM-060B are not Gen2 compatible 06-17-2013 project saboteurs named 06-11-2013 Important: HIT Setup 1.x customers 02-02-2013 older PE4L/PE4H fails Gen2 testing 11-28-2012 LucidLogix Virtu MVP Mobile installation 02-05-2012 Khenglish's color depth perf analysis 02-02-2012 Internal Screen for AMD GPUs with Virtu Driver (timohour) 01-28-2012 US$55-shipped PE3A+riser (pci-e 2.0) (timohour) 08-28-2011 JediMasterZon's modded PE3A 06-30-2011 Kizwan's HD5870@x2 and x1 game benchmarks 06-04-2011 modded PM3N 1.1 to start CLKRUN when setting the jumper details 05-31-2011 Thunderbolt eGPU product preview 05-10-2011 Khenglish' request to unlock x1.Opt compression regardless of primary video. 04-01-2011 tabletpcreview's eGPU on Tablet PC's: experiences, benchmarks, setup, ect... 11-07-2010 DA-2 220W AC adapter mod 09-08-2010 i5-520M 2.4+HD4890@x1 NBR review 08-27-2010 Panzer's fuse bypass on PE4H 08-01-2010 Modded driver details 07-05-2010 Enzyme 1.4b3 versus Catalyst 10.6 Acknowledgements Many thank yous to all the members who have shared their DIY eGPU experiences for others to be able to learn from and duplicate. Special thanks to SimoxTav for the artistic touches. Project saboteurs of this community-driven project who halted/derailed the creative opportunities that pluggable, affordable eGPU graphics/processing provides.
  9. Moved post to http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/2903-12-5-hp-2560p-gtx560ti%40x1-2opt-pre-pe4l-ec060a-2-1b.html#post40072 .
  10. [Started 6-9-2009 as DIY: Adding SSD or HDD using an optical bay caddy (NBR). Relocated to T|I due to being banned by Lenovo fan ZaZ] Introduction - This article contains details on how to make best use of an optical bay caddy to extend notebook storage with a 2.5" SSD or HDD in place of the standard or slot-loaded optical drive. Included are links to buy the correct caddy plus some configuration items: hotswapping, setting spindown timeout on secondary HDD. Benefits of using an optical bay caddy Inexpensive. Ebay caddy is only US$12-US$26 delivered worldwide. Identical faceplate. Transplant your ODD's faceplate to an ebay Fenvi or some newmodeus caddies to achieve identical appearance to your current optical drive drive. 9.5mm ebay | 12.7mm ebay Improve performance and extend battery life using a hybrid SSD+HDD system. A small, fast SSD hosts your os and apps in your primary bay. A 2.5" HDD in optical bay caddy, in battery-efficient spindown mode when inactive, provides a decent sized data repository. 1TB/1.5TB/2TB of storage capacity using a combination of 9.5mm 500GB and 12.5mm 1TB 2.5" HDDs. Hotswap versatility. Allows the optical bay caddy and optical drive to be swapped in/out as required if used with a primary SSD/HDD. Eg: Can access an optical drive when needed to say load software or watch DVDs, then hotswap back in the HDD in caddy to access your repository of multimedia or document files. If prefer not to hotswap, can use an usb adapter/enclosure to allow either the optical drive or caddy to be used externally. Eg: PATA: 9.5mm & | 12.7mm | adapter, SATA: e-sata/usb cable or enclosure Use SATA drives in older PATA-only systems. Latest 250gb-per-platter SATA HDDs are faster and cheaper per GB than 160gb-per-platter IDE HDDs and are well matched to ICH2M+ 83-87MB interface speed. SATA SSD a good performer over sata-to-pata bridge as astericksed here. SATA SSD/HDD can be transplanted in newer SATA systems in the future. Older notebooks can be resurrected as fileservers or media centers, conditional on 48bit LBA bios support to allow full use of > 137GB storage. Can be better bang-per-buck than a system upgrade. When you consider how a primary bay SSD can provide day-and-night improvements in os and app performance improvements over a HDD. Can provide lower running temperature of HDDs compared to using the primary bay [user reported] Optical bay caddy configuration matrix I/O Chipset Primary Bay Optical Bay Optical Bay Caddy Product Link Example link/caddy used ebay & newmodeus0 ICH2-8M pata or sata1 pata23 7.0mm sata-to-pata 9.5mm pata#1 sata-to-pata#01 12.7mm pata sata-to-pata#0 - 9.5mm pata sata-to-pata 12.7mm pata sata-to-pata HP 2510P 9.5mm sata-to-pata,pata/newm+ebay Dell M1330 9.5mm pata [slot]/newm Dell Vostro 1400 12.7mm sata-to-pata/ebay Clevo M570RU 12.7mm sata-to-pata/newm ICH9M or newer sata sata 9.5mm sata 12.7mm sata 9.5mm sata 9.5mm sata 12.7mm 9.5mm Clevo P150HMA 14mm/ebay Toshiba R830-835 9.5mm/ebay-Fenvi Alienware M14x 9.5mm/ebay-Fenvi Dell E6400/E6500 9.5mm sata/ebay &newm HP 2530P 9.5mm sata/newm HP Envy14 9.5mm sata/newm Sony Vaio Z12 9.5mm sata/newm Lenovo E420 12.7mm sata/newm Sony Vaio FW51JF 12.7mm sata/ebay HP 8730W 12.7mm sata/newm Dell XPS 1647 12.7mm sata [slot]/newm Alienware M17xR2 12.7mm sata [slot]/newm 05% discount coupons on their facebook page. Their slot-loading products the same as others linked above minus the faceplate. Their 12.7mm product allowing the use of your optical drive's faceplate as shown here. 1 SATA SSD performs best when installed in primary SATA bay. ICH8M: CAP.ISS shows if 1.5Gbps cap applies. 2 if sharing PATA bus with primary bay drive, a master/slave jumper gives more config flexibility. 3 sata-to-pata chip adds power consumption overhead. newmodeus(Sunplus)=0.8W, ebay (Marvell)=1W. The newmodeus caddy has issues with SSD TRIM - the ebay caddy doesn't. Intel ICHxM UDMA5/ATA100 PATA interface measured to give maximum read of 83-87MB/s. This post compares power consumption/performance for PATA and SATA-to-PATA caddies, benchmarks show great SSD/HDD performance. Product Link #0 can be modified to improve functionality: faceplate strength for hotswap ability, master pinmod, HDD LED. #1 rear connector unscrews to reveal JAE50 like shown here. Hotswapping the optical drive and 2.5" drive in optical bay caddy Hotswap! provides a Safely Hotswap Hardware system tray icon to simplify disabling the device prior to removal or scanning the system when inserted. Allows hotswapping in/out the optical drive and 2.5" drive in optical bay caddy if using a primary SSD or HDD. Hotswapping is supported by the ICHxM SATA/PATA interfaces. So can for example watch a DVD with the optical drive then swap in a 2.5" HDD to access your multimedia files or documents. Setting standby idle standby timeout to improve battery life hdparm allows control of individual drive standby timeout periods to spindown the HDD if it's idle to conserve power. This would be recommended if running a primary bay SSD and optical bay 2.5" HDD at the same time. The commands below are easily added to a batch file to run in Windows startup folder. Download hdparm for Windows. Identify the drive you wish to operate on: Set a batch file to run in startup with standby time of your choice, example 1 min. Refer to the -S parameter in the hdparm commandline options. hdparm can also be used to set drive transfer mode, eg: 'hdparm -X udma5 /dev/sdb' Versatility: using 9.5mm caddy in other 9.5mm/12.7mm optical bay systems The newmodeus 9.5mm SATA-to-PATA/PATA caddy slides straight into a 12.7mm PATA optical drive bay. A great way of sharing data at full speed between hosts, without having to setup a network or be limited to USB speed. Can then hotswap the caddys between multiple systems. The SATA version likely to offer same versatility. Adding a 1.8" SSD/HDD in a 2.5" drive bay 1.8-to-2.5" adapters allows a 1.8" SSD or HDD to be installed in the optical bay caddy or 2.5" primary bay. SATA adapters shown here. PATA adapter is available on ebay for a few dollars. Quirks applicable to Sandy Bridge HP Probooks/Elitebooks using Insyde BIOS How to enable Upgrade Bay Hard Drive boot: so can hit F9 and boot off an optical bay caddy HDD or SSD. Quirks applicable to PATA optical drive interfaces (ICH8M or older) 1. Some system's bios sets the pata optical interface into slow UDMA2 mode. See tiuser's software and/or MBR workaround. 2. Some system's bios sets the timings to use 33Mhz rather than 66Mhz timings. Notably HP 2510P which then caps write performance to software workaround. Consider too hardwiring the caddy Pin 34 (-CBLID) to GND to set "80-pin cable mode" which uses 66Mhz timings. 3. Phoenix bios directs boot to optical caddy HDD. See software workaround. 4. Some Toshiba systems whitelist the HDD in a sata-to-pata caddy. See here 5. May need to do a slave_mod & to get an ebay caddy running as slave. Mod works with the topda branded ebay caddy. Followup If using an optical bay caddy to extend system storage, please post some details as examples. Eg: - which caddy you are using, eg: ebay or newmodeus - the look, feel and performance of the caddy. Photos against the chassis compared to original optical drive - any gotchas or tips and tricks - any mods, eg: on/off switch on the sata-to-pata caddy to conserve power if using it with a SSD. Note I have no commercial affiliation with any of vendors whose products are highlighted in this article. This information is provided to assist others in creating a great bang-per-buck storage expansion/performance upgrade.
  11. The modded driver isn't necessary if using 295.xx or newer. Per the red note on that page Khenglish confirms 295.xx beta desktop driver drives the internal LCD in additional to providing the x1 pci-e compression making it unnecessary to use the modded Verde driver below
  12. Your TOLUD is BFA0000, which we round up to C0000000, meaning it's 3GB. So the bios you have has fixed the TOLUD issue giving you have plenty of 32-bit pci-e space to host the eGPU. It's now just a matter of ensuring the eGPU and underlying bridge are correctly initialized prior to Win7 booting. If it's not doing that for you by default may I suggest a Win7 rebuild, loading the latest Intel iGPU driver and desktop NVidia driver plus all the Win7 updates? I've seen such glitches get fixed that way. If you still have no success, then Setup 1.1x can configure your eGPU and underlying bridges prior to chainloading into Windows. Do that using the PCI compaction on the iGPU+eGPU. That will get rid of the error 12.
  13. Thank you for your support. First thing, ensure you boot with the eGPU powered on and active and the PCI Reset Delay setting on the PE4L/PE4H is set to 0seconds (off). Lenovo's bios needs to detect the eGPU before it adjusts TOLUD lower. Then if you boot Win7 and check Device Manager, note if TOLUD is still 3.5GB (PCI BUS occupies df000000/E0000000 onwards). If you T430s has the NVS400M dGPU, then the easiest fix is to get Setup 1.1x software and disable the dGPU (Video cards->Hybrid gfx.dGPU[off]). If you have the iGPU-only model then it's not so clear cut. My understanding from the reports of the X230 is that Lenovo changed TOLUD to 3.5GB. Meaning the only solution is either (1) Lenovo alter the bios to set TOLUD lower: 3.25GB or 3GB to free up 32-bit (<4GB) pci space for the eGPU or (2) You apply the DSDT override to extend the root bridge into 36-bit pci space (4GB-64GB) so the eGPU can be hosted in that space. I've seen your posts on NBR requesting help for the DSDT override. Unfortunately if your not clear on how to run CMD then I'd suggest find/hire someone who could try or do it for you. There were also early reports of X230 users trying it prior to the bios fix saying they got BSODs. So even if you follow the steps accurately it may mean you won't be successful. I'd suggest run your system with 3GB of RAM for the time being. Then you can host your eGPU without issue. Ensure then you request a bios fix from Lenovo to lower TOLUD.
  14. Welcome to the 2560P Owner's Lounge! A place to liase with other owners and share useful tips/tricks/mods to get the most satisfying user experience from this exceptional ultraportable notebook. Release date: 9 May 2011 Reviews/Comparisons: laptopmag, NBR, pcworld. HP 2560P vs Lenovo X220 (butwhyme) HP 2560P vs Lenovo X220 vs other ultraportables/ultrabooks (spoiler below - Tech Inferno Fan) HP 2560P vs 2530P (butwhyme) HP 2560P vs 2540P vs 2530P vs 2510P (spoiler below - Tech Inferno Fan) Customized 2560P systems (ordered by approx additional expense spent) Owner Storage Other Mods 2.5" sata bay sata optical bay/2.5" caddy External Tech Inferno Fan ssd: 128GB MDS Bullet Proof hdd: 500GB/newmodeus - DC_optimized, GTX560Ti DIY eGPU SimoxTav ssd: ??? hdd: 250GB/ebay - i7-2630QM, GTX560Ti DIY eGPU, 8GB RAM vnwhite ssd: 256MB Crucial C300 hdd: 750GB/ebay - DC_optimized, i7-2820QM, 6300AGN, 8GB 1866MHz RAM RED - highest performance setup | GREEN - lowest power consumption drive setup (2.5" SSD see here). OS, drivers and disassembly Drivers, Manuals, Maintenance And Service Guide, Media Services Library with disassembly videos.Popular HP Notebook Software Collection : one-stop location for the latest versions of popular HP notebook sw.Win7 OEM sources : the additional HP installation contents added to a Win7 CD.HP/Compaq Desktop Wallpapers : A compilation of stock wallpapers from the HP and Compaq notebook rangeHP DMIFIT 118 Utility: change DMI details, eg: model number, serial, password. Used to tattoo your system in case you replace the systemboard. Usually done by a HP technican.StorageSecond hotswappable 9.5mm 2.5" HDD/SSD via optical drive bay. 2560P examples: ebay (SimoxTav) or newmodeus. e-sata/usb cable or enclosure, useful for external e-sata storage. Eg: convert optical drive to be external unitExpansionUSB 3.0: add a US$15-delivered USB 3.0 expresscard.DIY eGPU: to attach a desktop videocard via expressport. Provides HDMI/DVI and accelerated graphics. WWAN/WIFI card whitelist: the WWAN/WIFI cards the 2560P bios will bootup with.Ivy Bridge CPU retrofit for 2560P?: proposed method to get ME 8.x firmware onto a 2560P for Ivy Bridge CPU support.TweaksFlashing F.01 bios to a 2560P : to regain 1866Mhz RAM support removed in subsequent versions. Includes details on other hacks.F.28 or newer BIOS removes RAM frequency limit. Can use 1866Mhz RAM at full speed.HPFancontrol: set custom (quieter) fan profile confimed to work on a 2560P by pejxPerformance: running 1600, 1866 or 2133Mhz DDR3 RAM in a 2560p : gain up to 54%/10% single-channel/dual-channel HD3000 performance.DC_optimized: optimize the system to maximize battery life, idling at 4.7-5.2W!! Done with more sophistication by vnwhite &.Enabling third-button mouse click scrolling with touchstykDual-channel RAM: increases WEI RAM and video (1x4GB vs 2x4GB)How to enable Upgrade Bay Hard Drive boot: so can hit F9 at bios screen then boot off an optical bay caddy HDD or SSD.Disconnect upgrade bay caddy diagnostic pin: allows the system to fully shutdown rather than hang with a black screen.MiscRetrofitting webcam to non-webcam models : in case you have a non-webcam model.Backlit keyboard mod: HP Folio 13 backlit keyboard retrofit??EliteBook NightLight mod: increase the brightness/spread of the nightlight by removing the diffuser.Obtaining an expresscard blank: if lost or damaged yours. Replacement comes with an optical drive weight saver. FAQ about optical drive space saver: can it's faceplate be used on other ODDs or a caddy? Answer: no/maybe. Schematic - Inventec_Styx_MV.pdf (aka HP Elitebook 2560P). The block diagram summary is below:
  15. Thank you for your kind words. I am very disappointed in the ban, moreso as no legitimate reason was given for it. You could try to start a poll in http://forum.notebookreview.com/e-gpu-external-graphics-discussion/ to try to get votes to life the ban. It is my understanding that the majority of NBR mods oppose this ban as does an even larger number of NBR members, particularly DIY eGPU users. This ban is not at all democratic being initiated by Zaz and upheld by Charles P. Jefferies. The poll could be something along the lines of: Do you wish for the ban placed on Tech Inferno Fan to be reversed or at the very least explain why it occurred and by whom? Tech Inferno Fan is an important contributing member who has worked tirelessly to help our users for years. This ban adversely affects the workings of the DIY eGPU community (advice, summary first page, Bplus updates Setup 1.1x, PMs, content revisions), placing the whole project in an unknown state (inc Thunderbolt eGPUs). Yes - reverse ban Yes - explain ban details NO don't care If the ban isn't lifted, then yes, I'll be undertaking the laborious task of moving as much of the DIY eGPU thread content (amongst others) to techinferno. I'm going to wait one more day to see if the ban is lifted first. It's alot of work and the result would have a lot of linking back to NBR. Nando
  16. Honestly, I would not have seen it coming. I've had excellent dealings and support from other mods who have been really top notch. I've just had a lot of abrasion with Zaz over the last few months. Then again, it's Zaz who is the major mod posting in Which Notebook Should I Buy? where the problem has arisen from. I'd certainly want some reassurance that I can continue building content without the threat of having the rug pulled from under my feet for no legitimate reason. This is especially important as we move into Thunderbolt eGPU territory of which we expect a lot more uptake than the expresscard/mPCIe stuff I've been doing so far. Otherwise it would make sense to move all the content to more stable ground such as TI. If someone has a NBR login, would you like to answer MikjoA question at DIY eGPU experiences - Page 1119 on my behalf? There he's asked: ?? The answer is to simply reply with a post linking to my first post on TI which has the details of the ban: http://forum.techinferno.com/off-topic/1834-introduce-yourself-5.html#post26396 .
  17. Fortunately I am in communications with a NBR user/insider via email. He was shocked as were others by the heavihandedness of the moderator in banning me today. He's keeping me posted of discussions with the lead mod about it. I've been advised to hang tight. It's been fairly lo-fi with not enough downtime to cause major havoc so far. I'm hoping it can be resolved with minimal of fuss. Otherwise next step would be, as you suggest, to hit the threads I maintain with a temp user, some message + email address so the users know what's happened and how to contact me. Thank you for the permissions update. All systems are a go on TI if that's the way the cookie crumbles.
  18. Interesting about ticking the box about content becoming owned by NBR. I wonder how that plays out if the mods start limiting access to your content based on no breach of rules. Yes, I also played by the rules and got banned for no reason.. No kidding. Zaz wrote the reason as 'too many to list', along with which he gave NO REASON. If NBR don't want to play dice I believe there may be a user amongst the 1000s that have hit up the DIY eGPU thread that would have contacts that could volunteer some investigation into breaches of US laws pertaining to copyright, bullying and fraudulent representation. Certainly the right of reply is a democratic right in Western countries dating back to old English common law. Being banned/locked out denies a very simple right. I believe NBR could find themselves in some serious hot water if it's necessary to go down that track. I'm hopeful this is isolated to bad behavior on Zaz's part that NBR admin will correct. I'm guessing the corporate masters 'Lenovo' advised to cut me loose due to critiques I had of Lenovo Thinkpad products. They would have be altering public perception in the opposite way to what Zaz was doing. Eg: me: it looks like something from the 1990s with no sophistication (supported by image of 1990s Thinkpad), Zaz: it's understate style. Still trying to get my 5 posts so I can PM Mr.Fox
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