Bugii

On 2/27/2017 at 10:52 AM, Bebotrip said:

PD: @Bugii Your problems its fied with legacy install of windows 10

That's very unfortunate, since I've already sold the card

On 1/9/2017 at 9:27 AM, andrzejz78 said:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11892476

 

1060 OC and 4940MX OC 4x 4.3GHz (no TDP lock)

It is in UEFI. Running Windows 10.
I don't have "no screen" issue. Both GTX 1060 and intel GPU work. Problem is, Optimus does not work. - it's not possible to switch GPUs.
With internal screen I have intel GPU only. With external HDMI screen, I have GTX only.  Laptop will never switch to GTX on internal screen.
 

1 hour ago, senso said:

 

 

 

Download DDU(Driver Driver uninstaller): https://www.guru3d.com/files-get/display-driver-uninstaller-download,20.html

 

Reboot into safe mode, remove Nvidia drivers, remove Intel drivers, reboot, install latest Intel iGPU driver, reboot, install Nvidia driver, reboot, try again.

Make sure that Intel Chipset, Management Engine drivers are also installed.

SSE2.0 is a buggy mess, mine will not work randomly after I plug my Rival 300 a dozen times into the laptop because the Rival 300 needs SSE3 and the keyboard only support SSE2.0 so everytime SSE3 updates the .inf get scrambled and SSE2 will no longer detect keyboard.

 

The same happened after I installed Atmel Studio, and after I installed CodeComposer from TI, every software that mess's with USB drivers will kill my SSE2.0, the solution is simple, just re-install it and reboot.

Keybaord backlight wasn't a deal breaker for me ... white lights worked, just the colors didn't, so screw that.

My problem is optimus didnt work at all.
The only way to switch to GTX was using external screen. When I used both displays in extended, and run game in windowed mode, it worked fine on ext.screen but as I dragged the window to laptop screen, intel HD kicked in and I had like 10fps. basically the GTX1060 was not rendering to internal screen at all.
I've tried DDU, tried several drivers (new, old, even older..) as well as clean OS install on spare HDD.
There was no way to switch to GTX with internal screen only.

I was convinced the problem is that my card has g-sync. And if I'm not mistaken, G-sync and optimus cannot be on the card at the same time.
I was like ok, so the card doesn't have optimus. ...until I found this thread.

22 hours ago, Bloetschkopf said:

Mine was also 1C60 ith 86.06.19.00.08 vBIOS  with ID  1C6011FF

The color from Powerswitch don´t change color,but u can control it with Nvidia programm.

I switched to Intel GPU and start Benchmark,Benchmark works with 8 frames.

Cahnged back to automaticly,Benchmark use Nvidia GPU.

taht works als with other Programs.

Your Keyboard Problem is not from the Card,this is from Steelseries Engine.

I change nothing in Bios.

Plug&Play with modded INF

Well mine didnt work that way. It never switched to 1060 on built-in screen. I had to connect external screen to HDMI. When disconnected, it didnt switch back to intel - I had to reboot PC.
When I put back the old GTX970M, the keyboard backlight worked again. (but I remember it has something to do with motherboard EC firmware, once I flashed wrong one and I had similar issue)
 

What is the device ID of the card you have ? - AFAIK there are two avaialable - 1C20 and 1C60. One being G-sync one non-G-sync.
Mine looks same as yours on the picture but it is probably G-sync version. IIRC its either optimus or gsync. Never both at the same time.

Optimus did NOT work in my GT70 4th gen.
Card worked well on external screen. But as long as I was using built-in screen, only intelHD was used.
Plus, you cannot cross flash 1C20 and 1C60 vBIOS.

Edit:

mine is 1C60 with 86.06.19.00.08 vBIOS.
Seems like yours too.

What the heck ???
I have same card, same system and my card does not support Optimus.
Also, the keyboard backlight is all messed up with the card installed - seems like something with EC firmware.
Did you change anything in BIOS by chance ?
Or was it plug n play + modded inf ?
Windows 10 ?

Hello guys.

can any of you tech-inferno gurus briefly sum up what do we need, to do a maxwell-pascal upgrade?

I'm trying to upgrade 980M to 1060. (the only card that can physically fit in without me cutting hole into chassis.)
(I guess small upgrade is better than nothing.)

So what are the requirements ?

eDP vs LVDS ?
G-sync ?

60Hz LCD panel ?
Is Optimus problem if GPU is not muxed? (I can disable iGPU in BIOS, display port and HDMI is directly connected to dGPU)

Any other ideas what's necessary or what could cause some troubles?
 

On 9/24/2016 at 2:35 AM, Samseed said:

 

 

After an evening of googling, would it be safe to assume that the the best we can hope for is an i7-3740qm, gtx98m, ms-17631 for the gt70 chassis? A bit disappointing considering the possibilities with the new architecture but should still be quite the performer.

https://world.taobao.com/item/538144341448.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.wm7MeZ#detail

This is looks promising but would you happen to have the codename for that card, I cant read it off the chip?

 

There is a nice thread going about the 1000 series  http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/upgrade-mxm-or-wait-for-new-1000-series-cards.792965/page-11

i7-4xxxQM will also work.
Can't read the chip code from that picture. But that should be the same for all gtx 1060 chips. And yes, it looks like it's MSI PCB.

This has not been tested yet however. So far, 980M is the best confirmed GPU you can get.

On 9/23/2016 at 10:37 PM, Bloetschkopf said:

I know this Card,but this is a MSI Card.

maybe I'll buy them also , i will ask my Sister in Law there.

If the Card have G-Sync it will not work in GT70,i think it have G-Sync.

GTX980M G-Sync and Qudro M3000M also not working right in  GT70.

Driver Installing is no Problem,but 3Dmark11 runs ony with 8 Frames.

And in the mobil Nvidia Control Panel You can`t switch off G-Sync.

There is no Option for this.

Maybe it is possible with another Nvidia Control Panel with complete Menu.

How You bought it?

Maybe Your Way  is easier for me.

Hmm they say asus in description. It doe snot have G-sync enabled. Neither does SLI bridge. And you need eDP not LVDS. That's what it says in description if I'm not mistaken.

2 hours ago, Bloetschkopf said:

Change a GPU Chip is easy with the right Tools,a little Risk yes.

But change a Board with complete different Layout is impossible,have a look at the Picture.

 

Where You bought the Asus GTX 1060?

Is it normal MXM 3.0 ?

 

   

I see.
that would need a really heavy chassis modding. New board is longer so I guess you'd need to sacrifice one HDD and optical drive in order to cut a hole into chassis to stick this in. Custom made heatsink is also necessary.

GTX1060 MXM3.0b here:

https://world.taobao.com/item/538144341448.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.wm7MeZ#detail

Yes, standard MXM 3.0b - GTX 980M next to it for comparison.

I wanted 1070 but those cards are bigger, won't fit into my GT70 chassis, and they have additional power connector. This one looks compatible.

1 hour ago, Bloetschkopf said:

Don`t think about this,this is impossible.

Nothing is impossible my friend

I saw a post here on T|I  of a guy who soldered desktop GTX980 core to a mobile PCB and got it working. Respect.

1 hour ago, Bloetschkopf said:

The GT72 Board is not compatible for GT70,i have a damaged Board here.

Don`t think about this,this is impossible.

The Latest Version of GT70 is MS-1763.

And for this You need also both HDD Adapter,if You find this You must pay more than 400€ with CPU.

Then You can sell Your old MS-1761 and buy a used MS-1763,ist cheaper.

And the GT72 with i7-6700HQ and GTX 980M is  slower than my GT70 with i7-4900MQ and GTX 980M.

GT70:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11553413

GT72:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11586297

The GT70 is with the right Componenets a good Base and absolut Up to Date.

 

Interesting results.

So yeah, it looks like the GT70 (1763) is better option.

Since GT72 does not support Pascal cards (yet) There's really no point of upgrading GT70 to GT72. Both of them can utilize GTX980M

(off topic. I found some ASUS GTX 1060 mxm cards. I'm buying one and I'll see if it will work in my GT70. I'll post the results once I have it)

1 hour ago, Samseed said:

and they look nothing like the one you posted(bottom)

Could be just a "wrong picture" - not the actual photo of the board. Better ask the seller first.

1 hour ago, Samseed said:

of course if I have a working 72 why bother right? 

yes, this is exactly the point. If you ONLY want an upgrade, just get GT70 motherboard - the one for 1763 version and stick 980M in it.

But some people don't care about getting better machine. They are doing this just to see if it is possible. - That's why bother to be the first one to do it.

17 hours ago, Samseed said:

I can see it now..the staticky hair, a wild look of satisfaction in my eyes..

 

But where to start that is the problem. Just finding images of anything after ms-1763 for comparison is a mind numbing task.

The GT72 board, although vastly different component wise, does maintain the same general shape. A few new "access ports" in the chassis and it might actually be functional but short of actually getting my hands on one its a little tough to plan a project like that and was hoping someone might have a list of similar or compatible boards. If only MSI had devoted an advertising budget to their mobile boards as well. 

Board can be obtained here. http://www.laptopinventory.com/ModelDetail.php/MSI/GT Series/GT72 2QE/Motherboards ~ System/36168

note, this was just a quick google search, I have no experience with that shop.

Yes, planning without having the board in hands is challenge.

You could try to find and buy damaged board for cheap - just to have something to try if it fits and then get the working one.

Question is, the board costs 450bucks. You can find completely working (although used/refurbished) GT72 on ebay for about 1000usd.

IMHO it would be much less of a risk to simply sell GT70 and buy used GT72 (assuming you have 450 for the board already) and you're done.

Or if your goal is not to have GT72 but to do this "frankenstein project" instead, you can buy used GT72 and simply sell the parts you don't use.

Please note, GT72 has "xxxxHQ" cpu. It's soldered to mobo, unlike the one you have in GT70 now.

90C is okay for haswell CPU.

I have 4810MQ too and these temps are normal under heavy load.

Not sure about GTX880M, I have 970M and it goes up to 75. I can imagine 880M running hotter.

Don't forget the GPU and CPU heatsink are bridged. Hot CPU will warm cold GPU a little and vice versa.

Try new thermal grease and see if it helps.

Haswell increases voltage with frequency and load.

You can install intel XTU and decrease voltage offset a little. Decrease just a little, run some stress test and see if it's stable. Decrease more and see.

Basically google how to decrease voltage on Haswell with XTU.

it's not just motherboard. HDD boards are different, GT70 has DisplayPort where eSATA used to be, etc.

We discussed this in the past, there are some other components you will need to get to make this "frankenstein". Pictures included in the post.
Perhaps some case modifications will be necessary too. But if you are skilled enough, you could make it work.

If you do, don't forget to let us know. And perhaps add some pictures too. (Thunderbolt in the background and you screaming "It's alive !!! " )

read more here:

and here:

On 9/1/2016 at 2:11 PM, Prema said:

 

So yeah, that's the MSI 1080 SLI without external power connection.  

Will add clean shots shortly...

Again a changed DIE position compared to its solo counterpart. Also keep in mind that (just like their 980s before) MSI SLI versions are lower powered than their solo model counterparts.

Now that little bit extra there is just their style of humor...what a royal waste of space on an otherwise perfectly good board.

This is really a joke. I'm still waiting here for first pictures of triangular or circular PCBs

On 6/26/2016 at 9:05 PM, Sector7G said:

Hello all,

 

Ive read some posts of people able to use unmodified drivers (straight from nvidia) after a MXM upgrade.

 

Im assuming this has something to do with a bios upgrade, but I am not sure if a VBios or mainboard bios or both.

 

The specific model and card I use is GT780R upgraded the nvidia card to a 770M.

 

What is recommended to install after this upgrade is performed ?

Correct vBios is what you need. No need to mess with mainboard BIOS.

Problem is, you cannot flash MSI vBIOS to Dell card for example. Not all the cards are the same - you're gonna need to do some research.

I had Clevo 770M, this card is same (physically identical) as MSI 770M. Flahed MSI vBIOS and all works well. GPU is detected by nVidia installer.

Any chance of getting one of these things working in MSI GT70 2QD ? (the one that came with 980M) 1060 should fit. It has eDP display but 60Hz only. 1070 might fit as well, though heatsink will be very hard to find.

What about the power connector ? - is it something I can hardmod ?

On 5/26/2016 at 2:51 AM, Digipro said:

If u register at msi''s website and post in the bios mod forum there is a guy who unlocked my video bios and also me mother board bios and can alter clocks and voltage of gpu and he also tunes the fan profiles so it runs cooler . Like I say register with the official msi site and forums and post what u want looking for a guy called Sven and he will take u through it a's u can't just use any bios u have to mod ur own bios and he does that for u as ur bios also has a windows key that needs to be kept original other wise u loose ur windows key as it's embeded in the mother board bios along with the video bios . It's a funny setup the 970m''s bios is not like other 970m card's it's kept on the motherboard not the actual card as like u correctly state the card is soldered to the motherboard u flash in windows with the card disabled in system settings . 

 

Thanks 

 

Steve

The guys nick is Svet. He's good and replies really fast, though he's not doing this for free.

He unlocked my 970m 3GB MXM card. The card runs slightly better and doesnt trhrottle as much, but I don't see any difference i temps. (MSI GT70)

@OP
87C isnt really catastrophic considering the chassis is much smaller than GT70.  Although it shouldn't throttle. Do you have any info from other owners of GS70 ?

90C on i7 is fine. I'm getting the same. Also, note cinebench and real-life usage are two very different things.

On 3/3/2016 at 6:53 PM, Bloetschkopf said:

That`s right,but for everyone who can flash a Vbios and modify a Heatsink it is cheaper.

With a GTX 970M You can use every Heatsink,also the GTX 570M Heatsink is OK because the Temperatur are low.

better cooling enables higher overclock potential though. And GTX 970m is a beast. I was able to push mine +360core +300memory while overvolting by 50mV. Temps are at 86C but the difference in performance is day and night.

But yes, as for "just getting it to work", handmade heatsink would be more than enough. At stock clock, mine didnt went past 72C (GTX580m in the same machine reached 87C any day.)

19 hours ago, Basiura said:

Yup the Gt70 heatsink is too expensive, but I can see a problem there. I have 570m so my cooper part of heatsink is wider and only 20mm long. Should I fill the missing 4 mm by termopads or, by thermalpaste or just left it alone? If it really is as easy as it seems and require only drilling some part of heatsink and changing vbios I will order clevo gtx970m tomorrow. Thanks guys for all your help.

This seems like a huge risk. The copper should touch the entire core. There is a chance it will fit anyway though - I think the copper part is bigger than necessary.

Please note the green parts - where you need to add thermal pads, are 0.5cm high in some cases. You will need to put at least 2-3 layers of thermal pads there.

Some of them are supposed to cover mosfets for voltage. these things really needs to be kept cool and you cannot measure the temp on these - you can see only the temp on core.

23 hours ago, Bloetschkopf said:

 

Why he needed to use modded Driver when he can use the MSI Vbios?

Here You can see the different Heatsinks for Nvidia GPU`s and the Modification for a GTX 970M / GTX 980M.

The cheapest Way is to modify Your own Heatsink from Your GTX 560M,ist only a little work.

I think You don`t want buy a Heatsink for this Money like this on Ebay: 272144365752

All Heatsinks in my Picture fits in every MS-16F1 / MS-16F2 / MS-16F3 / MS-16F4 / MS-1761 / MS-1762 / MS-1763

Red : Remove

Green: Upholster with Thermalpads

Blue: Thermalpaste

I said it's not necessary to flash. - if you don't flash, just use modded inf. Sorry, I should interpret that sentence better.

Need to be careful though, MSI has two types of each card - 970M 3GB and 6GB and 980M 4GB and 8GB. All 4 of them are MXM 3.0 cards.

He will need to get the right bios for his clevo card.

Some people don't feel comfortable or dont have tools to modify heatsink. You have to be careful, if you dremel something off, you cant get it back.

But yes, it's not that hard, it took me about 20 minutes to modify GTX560m heatsink for GTX770m. But you need to be careful, precise and make sure it fits perfectly. You really dont want the heatsink to touch anything it shouldnt.

New heatsink is expensive, I give you that, but you can be sure it will fit, you dont have to "fake" missing parts by adding 3 layers of thermal pads (which greatly reduce heat condictivity) and as a bonus, you are getting additional heatpipe (cooler boost2) connected to CPU heatsink which helps to reduce or even out the temps, depending on on GPU/CPU usage.

I's about personal preference imho. If you have skills to do it yourself, its cheaper.

I personally wouldnt mind throwing couple of dozens bucks more for heatsink that is a bit more efficient, especially for a GPU that is quite expensive as well.

no need to flash vbios.

you will need to use drivers with modded inf.

you can either modify your heatsink, or you can order one. MSI GT70 Dominator pro is using GTX970m.

That heatsink fits GT683 as well. It has the heat pipe to connect to CPU (cooler boost 2.0)

just search ebay or something for "MSI GTX970m heatsink"

I can confirm the heatsink for MSI 1761, 1762, fits 16f2 as well.

GX60 as MSI GX60 ? 15.6 inch laptop ? Why wouldnt it support nvidia cards ? Where did you read it?

It does. GX60 is even newer than GX/GT-683 - that one had GTX570m in it.

I'm kind of confused... if you are putting GTX570m into MSI GX60 - you are doing downgrade.

1 hour ago, noooname said:

alright cheers ill try without flashing the vBIOS first and if it doesnt work ill know what to do

that would be your best bet.

I made the same Dell HD7970M working in both 16F1 and 1761 (GX660 and GT780R)

I didn't have to flash anything in neither of the two laptops.

My radeon had 015.022 bios if I remember corretly.

It was not 015.017 for sure, and it worked even though everyone was telling me to .017 is the only one that works.

Dont use Furmark. Ever.

Install Throttlestop. Open it. Remove check mark for "BDPROCHOT". Keep Throttlestop open while playing games.

4 hours ago, Bloetschkopf said:

This Card works only when it is a Revision 1.2 with Clevo Non Enduro Vbios.

All other HD7970M are not working,if You are lucky it starts into Windows with Blackscreen.

wrong, sorry.

Yes, the card works, no vBIOS update needed whatsoever, doesn't matter which revision, doesn't matter what vBIOS version.

All you need is unlocked BIOS - go there and find the settings to use Legacy ROM for PCI express settings instead of EFI Compatible.

Whole "non-enduro" thing is a myth.

OP:

search these forums for term "Legacy ROM". I've posted some guidance where to find it. I don't remember now.

But it works. I got Dell HD7970M working in MSI GX660. - yes the first gen laptop.

There is one catch though - until you turn that settings in BIOS, screen will be black.  At least on GX660 it was, since there is no iGPU.

I went to BIOS while the old card was in. Switched the settings. Turned off PC, swapped cards, turned on PC, Booted flawlessly, no issues.

And yes, you need to do that even if your card has MSI vBIOS. MSI GT780DXR is Sandy Bridge, doesnt have iGPU.

Hello guys,

does any of you happen to have unlocked vBios for 970M 3GB version ? 

I found thread by svl7, he said he will add it soon, that was a year ago.
I cant find it anywhere, only 6GB versions of the card.