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21 hours ago, Red Line said:

@Prema

Do you know if heatsinks on P775DM3 differ if you choose 1060/1070 or 1080 GPU? I remember first revision P775DM had thicker HS only with GTX 980 in it.

 

And why there's a 400g weight difference between FHD and 4K panels? Is this 4K display really that thick/heavy?

 

Thanks

 

 

P775DM2 & P775DM3 use one and the same heatsink for all GPUs.

 

4 hours ago, wersuss said:

Anyone knows if AUO b173zan01.0 good panel? Can it be overclocked? 

Even P870DM-3 has same 4K panel?

 

Same panel. As of today it's the best professional 17" 4K Notebook panel that money can buy.

IPS, 100% Adobe RGB, G-Sync...

Overclocking is pretty much a no-go and maxes out at 64Hz.

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4 hours ago, Prema said:

Same panel. As of today it's the best professional 17" 4K Notebook panel that money can buy.

IPS, 100% Adobe RGB, G-Sync...

Overclocking is pretty much a no-go and maxes out at 64Hz.

P775DM2-G /DM3-G Comes with same panels? Is it right to take 4K screen with single 1080 card?

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4 hours ago, Prema said:

Same panel. As of today it's the best professional 17" 4K Notebook panel that money can buy.

IPS, 100% Adobe RGB, G-Sync...

Overclocking is pretty much a no-go and maxes out at 64Hz.

Definitely agree on that, i enabled the internal display yesterday for a few hours and immediately missed having not used it for so long, its a thing of beauty specially after proper calibration. 

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13 minutes ago, knight said:

Almost can not see the PCB on reverse... I remember times when GPU PCB's we're almost empty. :whistle:

If you compare the MSI to the Clevo 1080 PCB there is a night and day difference. Clevo seems to have cut many corners compared to MSI if the population of components on the PCB is any degree of indicator of quality. They don't even look like similar products.

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If you compare the MSI to the Clevo 1080 PCB there is a night and day difference. Clevo seems to have cut many corners compared to MSI if the population of components on the PCB is any degree of indicator of quality. They don't even look like similar products.


Looks can be deceiving, but also without having a reference design anymore, msi may have an advantage in designing cards because of experience with aftermarket desktop oc cards. Then again, if it runs so hot already, why build it out for overclocking ability when you know it is heat limited no matter what you do? Just playing devil's advocate...

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17 minutes ago, Prema said:

OK, added 'clean' MSI GTX 1080 (single) shots to the OP!

 

@Khenglish What does our 'GPU DOC' have to say about Clevo and MSI 1080designs? 

Very convenient that they omitted the SLI bridge connector. That was mighty white of them. Tell me that was an accident, LOL.

 

Other than that one nasty flaw, it certainly looks like a more robust GPU than what Clevo hath wrought.

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5 minutes ago, johnksss said:

And yes friends! We have yet another new power connector.

Good catch. These folks definitely are not working together for the good of end users. The more I see the less I want to continue to be part of the high performance notebook scene. It's turning into a real joke, even more so than it was last year. And, that was bad enough. Doing hardware mods is cool when you want to. Having to do hardware mods for everything just to achieve basic functionality is no way to live.

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2 hours ago, johnksss said:

And yes friends! We have yet another new power connector.

 

MSI used the same 6(+1) PIN design on their GT72S 980.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Very convenient that they omitted the SLI bridge connector. That was might white of them. 

 

That and two things that can't be seen easily unless put them next to each other:

 

- MSI card is shorter than the Clevo card (ends at the level where Clevo has it's connector)

- Core positions don't line up. MSI core is a lot closer to the MXM slot

 

So there you go, don't think you can just interchange them...

 

It's all VERY strange as all MXM cards are made in the same 'MSI-run' factory...why would they not agree on a new standard and just leave NVIDIA out of the equation?

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1 hour ago, Prema said:

 

MSI used the same 6(+1) PIN design on their GT72S 980.

 

 

That and two things that can't be seen easily unless put them next to each other:

 

- MSI card is shorter than the Clevo card (ends at the level where Clevo has it's connector)

- Core positions don't line up. MSI core is a lot closer to the MXM slot

 

So there you go, don't think you can just interchange them...

 

It's all VERY strange as all MXM cards are made in the same 'MSI-run' factory...why would they not agree on a new standard and just leave NVIDIA out of the equation?

Yes, I was talking with @J95 about that offline a day or two back, before the previous MSI photos were posted. That was the first thing that jumped out at me. The core is in a totally different spot, closer to the MXM edge connector and shifted to the side as well. Each new discovery drives another nail into the coffin. This is starting to look as though the situation is far more adverse than only the P870DM-G not being upgradable. This looks as if it rises to the level of collusion and an intentional effort to block notebook upgrading of any kind, defrauding all customers everywhere, regardless of their brand preference. Not a good time to be a notebook enthusiast any more.

 

If these bastards are allowed to get away with this, everyone will probably find their sorry asses in the same sinking boat with new GPUs next year. Time to say no to notebooks.

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1 hour ago, Prema said:

OK, added 'clean' MSI GTX 1080 (single) shots to the OP!

 

@Khenglish What does our 'GPU DOC' have to say about Clevo and MSI 1080 designs? 

 

Honestly both are overkill and majorly beat out the 1080 Founder's edition. The voltage regulation on either card is good enough for LN2 overclocking, The Clevo is rated for 480A on the core and the MSI is rated for 640A.  The Desktop FE can only do 250A, and that's questionable as it relies on its FET's pulse current specification.

 

It looks like the MSI only has one memory phase while the Clevo has 2, but the MSI has more core phases. I'm not sure of the core phase configuration on the MSI, but it looks like an unheard of triple VRM design, with 4+2+2 phases on the core vs the 4+2 on the Clevo. Honestly I would consider any thing more than 4 phases to be unnecessary, and both greatly exceed 4 phases. The Clevo will likely be a little more power efficient as the lower 2 core phases pull juice from the very close by MXM power connector which can supply a very high amount of juice, while the MSI will pull relatively more current from the power cable.

 

An unknown at this point is the PCB thickness. There are 2 thickness options to still fit in an MXM slot, and most cards were the thinner option. If one card is thicker than the other, that would outweigh any other difference between them. You'll get much higher power efficiency and likely memory clocks too.

 

I was hoping MSI would match the 1070 form factor. It looks like the MSI 1070 is the only Pascal card that can be fit into an existing MXM system without ridiculous mods. The mods may still be rather extreme (it looks like I would need to remove the subwoofer and slide the SATA slot slightly forward on the P150EM motherboard), but at least the core placement is the same as standard MXM 3 cards and the GPU fan is not in the way.

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Honestly both are overkill and majorly beat out the 1080 Founder's edition. The voltage regulation on either card is good enough for LN2 overclocking, The Clevo is rated for 480A on the core and the MSI is rated for 640A.  The Desktop FE can only do 250A, and that's questionable as it relies on its FET's pulse current specification.

 

It looks like the MSI only has one memory phase while the Clevo has 2, but the MSI has more core phases. I'm not sure of the core phase configuration on the MSI, but it looks like an unheard of triple VRM design, with 4+2+2 phases on the core vs the 4+2 on the Clevo. Honestly I would consider any thing more than 4 phases to be unnecessary, and both greatly exceed 4 phases. The Clevo will likely be a little more power efficient as the lower 2 core phases pull juice from the very close by MXM power connector which can supply a very high amount of juice, while the MSI will pull relatively more current from the power cable.

 

An unknown at this point is the PCB thickness. There are 2 thickness options to still fit in an MXM slot, and most cards were the thinner option. If one card is thicker than the other, that would outweigh any other difference between them. You'll get much higher power efficiency and likely memory clocks too.

 

I was hoping MSI would match the 1070 form factor. It looks like the MSI 1070 is the only Pascal card that can be fit into an existing MXM system without ridiculous mods. The mods may still be rather extreme (it looks like I would need to remove the subwoofer and slide the SATA slot slightly forward on the P150EM motherboard), but at least the core placement is the same as standard MXM 3 cards and the GPU fan is not in the way.


So who's going to get the mxm to pcie adaptor and bust out their ln2 pot for that msi card?

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On 20/08/2016 at 0:24 PM, sirana said:

The only problem is, no reseller we found offers 120hz displays for the P775 (aside of metabox which lists as "available soon"). I'd get a FHD, for me there's no point in 4K in a screen that small.

If there's option to get 120hz fhd screen and 4k, which one is better?

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